Micro 639: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 3.01

Cass (L-0) McMenno, Cass, lane0168,

McMenno (L-3)
Javajoe24 (L-3)
GuiltyLion (L-3)
lane0168 (L-3)

Not Voting (2): GuiltyLion, Javajoe24,


With 5 Alive, It takes 3 To Lynch

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-08-29 20:00:00)

Cass has Been Lynched She was a

Mafia Goon

[Firebringer]

Tic Tac Toe Board

1	2	3
Wingback Vanilla Townie O	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
Cass Mafia Goon X	Mcmenno Innocent Child	Javajoe24
Dunnstral Vanilla Townie X	Ümläüt Vanilla Townie O	Elmo TeH AzN Vanilla Townie X

Night 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-08-28 21:00:00)

[Firebringer]

Mcmenno died last night. He was

Innocent Child.

Tic Tac Toe Board

1	2	3
Wingback Vanilla Townie O	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
Cass Mafia Goon X	Mcmenno Innocent Child O	Javajoe24
Dunnstral Vanilla Townie X	Ümläüt Vanilla Townie O	Elmo TeH AzN Vanilla Townie X

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 4.00

Javajoe24 (L-2)
GuiltyLion (L-2)
lane0168 (L-2)

Not Voting (3): GuiltyLion, Javajoe24, lane0168,


With 3 Alive, It takes 2 To Lynch

Day 4 Ends In (expired on 2016-09-01 05:00:00)

[Javajoe24]

Well that was expected. It is too late at night and I am going to bed now. Just saw this was up so wanted to post.

[lane0168]

Alright guilty, who is scum?

[Javajoe24]

Just letting you guys know I won't be posting much if anything until probably Wednesday. Have my kids with me today and tomorrow

I will still be catching glances on my phone if you need me but won't have time for lengthy posts.

[lane0168]

Guilty?

[Javajoe24]

Not much time to post, but nothing has changed for me overnight. Still confident that GL is scum. I still stick to most of my argument against GL yesterday, except for a few points in which I was mistaken. But going through both GL and Lanes ISOs yesterday, GL seemed so much more scummy than lane did, and with the argument that scum!lane wouldn't have bussed cass yesterday with Mcmenna voting me twice in the beginning of the day, it's pretty obvious lane is town. I would vote for GL right now, but I figure I should at least let him give a defense before I cast my vote.

[Firebringer]

Prodding Guilty Lion.

[McMenno]

bah

[lane0168]

Mcmenno scared me. I saw they were last post and thought something went terribly wrong lol

[GuiltyLion]

Hi sorry, I'm here, don't have much time for a morning post but I'll be back again throughout the next 2 days. I think Java is scum, Lane, your responses to me yesterday felt more like bullheaded town who was convinced in his point and the way java jumped on it to push against me is skeevy.

[GuiltyLion]

As to your rebuttals to my case on you, I have replies but do not have the time or energy to go over every one, that is something we can go over tomorrow. Suffice it to say you were right on some points and I was wrong on some, but there are still points I think hold true.

He doesn't say what these points are, just that he wants to stick by them.

I could see if you were only saying we shouldn't have quick hammered, because I can agree with that, but you are arguing that we should have lynched between me and lane. You are using math statistics to try and back up your argument instead of using logic and scum hunting ability. This is probably the scummiest thing you have done so far in my opinion.

Read this and tell me if this is more likely to come from town or scum.

I was primarily arguing that we shouldn't have quick hammered, with a side of "if it were me I would have lynched in java/lane to keep the conftown in LYLO". But my primary reason for posting was that I was annoyed the day was already going to be over so quickly, that conftown barely contributed, and that I felt we needed more day discussion. Java

knows

this, he even acknowledges it in the first part of this quote. Then he says I'm using "math statistics" as if that's inherently scummy, when it's not. Like why are math and statistics more likely to come from scum!GL than town!GL?

If I was scum there, I wouldn't have flipped out and started several pages of arguments just cause my partner got lynched. I would have been cool and bussed him and sheepy and blending in. That's why I was worried Lane might be pulling off an easy bus. I think town!java would have been more worried about it too, instead he's gunning for my mislynch to win.

[GuiltyLion]

What is normal?

I get you think I am scum and I am fine with that

, but unvote so we can get some discussions in today before someone quick hammers!

Read this and think about whether it's more likely to come from scum or town.

Town is NEVER fine with conftown thinking that they're scum in LYLO. If java were town here he wouldn't be so conciliatory. He'd be indignant and mad, the way that townies get when they're about to be the game-losing mislynch.

[Javajoe24]

Are you saying everyone reacts the same in a given situation? If you look through the rest of the conversation between me and Mcmenna during that period you will see I was obviously distressed that he was voting me in lylo. I tend to not get angry on here no matter my alignment because I always keep in mind it's just a game. I have to disagree with you on what your primary argument with lane yesterday was about. While you may have been trying to argue against the quick lunch mainly, you came across to be more interested in wanting to have lynched between me and lane. This is because you spent more time discussing the latter points than the former. I will have to go back and re read which points I was talking about in your rebuttal, so that post coming up

[Javajoe24]

Further soft bussing on alpaca. Earlier you had said he would turn up dead and you don't seem to have any independent argument for him being scum that I saw. Maybe you can point it out if I missed it?

Can you explain your scumread on Alapaca?

Alpaca is active lurking. He hasn't once offered a legitimate effort to sort people, instead what he has posted has been RVS joking and then small questions/comments on theory. He also called McMenno town in his 154 in a way that pings me as fake:

I am pretty sure Luna and Wing are town so are guilty and mcmenno
@Dunn - Are you still for lynching mcmenno?

the way this is written it feels like he's just naming names and threw on McMenno afterwards because the slot is confirmed town. Like, am I on the same tier of towniness to Alpaca as the IC, why am I separated from Luna/Wing? I can't figure out exactly how to put it into words, but it doesn't look like something town would write.

This is an example of something that I was wrong about. Somehow I skipped over that post.

[Javajoe24]

lane do you think scum just threw the game? Or do you think it's java-alpaca team?

Here is where you start pushing for me and alpaca being on the same team, which benefits you by bussing your partner for town cred and throwing shade at me for an easy mislynch.

I still think it's Elmo-Alpaca and if Elmo flips scum then we auto-win

But just a few posts later you "still" think it's an Elmo alpaca team? When did you ever say it was an Elmo alpaca team? And you just said a few posts ago it was me and alpaca.

Called it here:

I'm calling a Luna+Alpaca scumteam tbh. I'm drunk rn but I'll be back for actual play tomorrow

Same here.

[Javajoe24]

actually I'll just respond to javas points now:

Can't force a scumkill on them, but we can guarantee that we'll lynch them as follows:

alpaca

lynching Luna Fox would force a D3 lynch on Alpaca

umlaut

lynching atm would force a D3 lynch on Umlaut

or Dunnstral?

eh you got me there, but lynching Dunn on D2 would be safe (although it would give scum semi-free reign for D2 night kill)

We're not going to be able to force certain players to be scumkilled if we play in the center either. After the scum NK and our D2 lynch, you'll have the same problem that you're pointing out here. You're just delaying this problem in the setup by one day, after you lynch confirmed town.

This is the first time you mention alpaca being scum, before I think he had truly done anything scummy. I believe you are bussing your partner for town cred, painting a picture to town of me and alpaca as scum because you lay a plan in the future to let you, lane(who you are buddying), and me make it to the final three. Thus making me the obvious choice to lynch winning you the game.

I'm not calling alpaca scum in my post, I'm responding to Lane's question about how we could kill alpaca if we lynch Lane and scum kill center. There's a lot of projection/assumption in the rest of your quote here - now that I've pointed out that I'm not calling alpaca scum in 20, do you still feel like the rest of your point holds up?

While I understand what your saying, and remember lane posing this question which does make this particular post irrelevant, it does not change the fact that I believe you were bussing you partner early on for town cred because you knew you would be in the last three. And also, the fact that you only responded to these parts of my argument, which I admit are the weakest parts, and completely ignored the rest just makes me even sure you are the last scum.

[Javajoe24]

Guilty I've got a town read on you. Did you fool me before? Oh I just remembered I almost fooled you in that multiball. Anyways, I think if we lynch the opposite corner from me and those two sides it should be a win...

Haha Lane I think I've been town every time we have played together

also I am thinking you are town here
UNVOTE:

This seems like buddying to me. And you continue to buddy with lane throughout the game.

Can't force a scumkill on them, but we can guarantee that we'll lynch them as follows:

alpaca

lynching Luna Fox would force a D3 lynch on Alpaca

umlaut

lynching atm would force a D3 lynch on Umlaut

or Dunnstral?

eh you got me there, but lynching Dunn on D2 would be safe (although it would give scum semi-free reign for D2 night kill)

We're not going to be able to force certain players to be scumkilled if we play in the center either. After the scum NK and our D2 lynch, you'll have the same problem that you're pointing out here. You're just delaying this problem in the setup by one day, after you lynch confirmed town.

This is the first time you mention alpaca being scum, before I think he had truly done anything scummy. I believe you are bussing your partner for town cred, painting a picture to town of me and alpaca as scum because you lay a plan in the future to let you, lane(who you are buddying), and me make it to the final three. Thus making me the obvious choice to lynch winning you the game.

My point is, let's say we go your plan, scum kill atm, we lynch java, alpaca turns up dead, now we're forced to lynch Dunnstral, scum is forced to kill lane, and everyone else is immune from NKs

You had just said that alpaca is scummy, but in this post you said he will turn up dead, insinuating that he is town.

My strategy is keep upper right corner alive. If scum don't kill IC then we'll win from tic tac toe. If they do everyone in bottom left dies.

This is the best approach, I think. If we can all agree on a corner block with three townies, we can lynch the opposite corner and force the other six players to be killed. Worst case scenario is both scum are in the block of 3 and we lose, meh scenario is a 2-1 LYLO, best case scenario is autowin.

What do people think of {lane, GL, javajoe} as a block? Unfortunately I'm not all that inclined to believe in town!java

I have already commented on how you laid out this plan for your benefit, and in the same post you start discrediting me in the last sentence. You have played with me before and know I am easy lynch bait.

Well we need to get a lynch going, and since you guys want to lynch me at some point down the line might as well do it now.
VOTE: Luna Fox

So you have Dunn in your leftovers pile but you'd rather lynch yourself than him??

intent to hammer

I'll wait for Umlaut. Unfortunately this means Alpaca survives a long time, which may be why LF is doing this

Further soft bussing on alpaca. Earlier you had said he would turn up dead and you don't seem to have any independent argument for him being scum that I saw. Maybe you can point it out if I missed it?

lane do you think scum just threw the game? Or do you think it's java-alpaca team?

Here is where you start pushing for me and alpaca being on the same team, which benefits you by bussing your partner for town cred and throwing shade at me for an easy mislynch.

I still think it's Elmo-Alpaca and if Elmo flips scum then we auto-win

But just a few posts later you "still" think it's an Elmo alpaca team? When did you ever say it was an Elmo alpaca team? And you just said a few posts ago it was me and alpaca.

then we lynch javajoe as he is most likely scum remaining. If you're opposed to that you better spend the day campaigning on who would be a better D3 lynch.

And the culmination of the shade thrown at me.....

Plus the fact that alpaca has been the only constant scum read of yours, but instead of pushing for his lynch now, you are deferring to Mcmenna who has already voted me twice and you know finds me the scummiest? You must be shaking in your chair with giddiness.

Just putting this here for easy access and billed the parts you blatantly ignored.

[Javajoe24]

Ebwop - bolded, not billed

[lane0168]

Why haven't either of you voted? That's so weird to me.

VOTE: guilty

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

[lane0168]

VOTE: guilty honestly I could go either way and I fucking hate lylo I just realized

[lane0168]

I'd rather be town fighting for my life