Open 652: Making Friends and Enemies Mason PT

[Save The Dragons]

Hello masons
{NJAC, Zyf}

You have recruited: Thor665

Your role PM will alert you as to how to use your factional recruit. As a reminder, you may only talk during the night, and in this PT, you may not use the PM system to communicate with each other.

[Zyf]

wait I thought there was night talk?

Also "openg" is triggering me XD

So hi NJAC
this is my first time being mason
let's not get killed

[Zyf]

yeah my role pm says "night talk"

[Save The Dragons]

Wow, fuck I'm a mess sorry about the typos

[NJAC]

Hi. We should crumb Masons just in case we need it later in the game.

A code formed with the first letter of every post we make at the beginning of D1. In ISO people could read the message, after we point it out. I mean this would only be useful in the late game. For example if one of us is still alive could prove he is mason by revealing the message.

I'd write something like "MASON WITH Z" and you'd write the same but N instead of Z.

I saw a pair of Masons doing this in a past game years ago.

Let me know what you think.

[Zyf]

Hi. We should crumb Masons just in case we need it later in the game.

A code formed with the first letter of every post we make at the beginning of D1. In ISO people could read the message, after we point it out. I mean this would only be useful in the late game. For example if one of us is still alive could prove he is mason by revealing the message.

I'd write something like "MASON WITH Z" and you'd write the same but N instead of Z.

I saw a pair of Masons doing this in a past game years ago.

Let me know what you think.

cool, cool
that's a bit long for me though, how about you do that and I do "msn w NJAC"
(the NJAC part being a rvs vote, omgus me back)

[NJAC]

Alright, let's shorten it then. I'll also write "MSN W Zyf", maybe OMGUSing you when I write Zyf, maybe not depending on circumstances, but I'll start my fifth post with your name. It will take the first 5 posts to write the entire code.

Let me check past games with this setup and see if masons already tried something like this. I don't want scum to catch us.

[NJAC]

BTW, I think to avoid being NKed we should either play obvtown or a bit scummy (of course avoiding to be the top scum read of everyone). I mean, by playing obvtown scum could think of us as VT, and by playing a bit scummy they would want to keep us alive to set a mislynch.

Also, who and where to recruit is something better to discuss N1, but I'd like to confirm someone like Thor. Though he could be a NK target if town.

Thoughts?

[Zyf]

yeah I like thor rn
I can be pretty obvtown so I'm gonna go for that

[NJAC]

who and where

who and

when

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Ok. Then try the obvtown card. I'll probably play obvtown at the beginning too. We want to avoid getting to L-1 and forced to claim early.

[NJAC]

After reading a few recent games with masons, it seems this kind of crumb is not common, so it probably would pass unnoticed for scum.

So yeah, we're crumbing this code, and we won't give any other hint of us being masons, like hardly townreading each other or something like that. We want to keep our interactions natural as two VTs.

Avoiding being killed N1 should be our first priority, obviously after avoiding to be suspected a lot to the point of getting forced to claim early on D1.

[NJAC]

The recruited mason should also crumb on D2, BTW. But we'll discuss that later.

[Zyf]

I think one of should crumb in their place because we'll be conftown by that point

[NJAC]

Maybe. The point of crumbing in this way is to use it when one or two of us die and the remaining mason(s) need to prove their role.

So if the recruited mason is the one who died and you and I are alive and in a situation in which revealing the message to confirm our roles is necessary, then it's better that the recruited mason had crumbed, not only you and me.

BTW it may happen that we never need to use it. This would probably be only useful in a scenario in which one of us is the only mason left alive, but is suspected, together with a scum who suddenly fakeclaims mason, making it a 1v1. And then the real mason just have to say: "I can prove I'm the real mason" .

[Zyf]

Maybe. The point of crumbing in this way is to use it when one or two of us die and the remaining mason(s) need to prove their role.

So if the recruited mason is the one who died and you and I are alive and in a situation in which revealing the message to confirm our roles is necessary, then it's better that the recruited mason had crumbed, not only you and me.

BTW it may happen that we never need to use it. This would probably be only useful in a scenario in which one of us is the only mason left alive, but is suspected, together with a scum who suddenly fakeclaims mason, making it a 1v1. And then the real mason just have to say: "I can prove I'm the real mason" .

I guess you're right.

In any case let's make a list of like top 3 mason targets
I'd say Thor>Dunnstral>karnos...

idk though I haven't played with anyone on this list other than thor (and Hark, but they replaced in then pretty much immediately replaced out without even catching up)

[NJAC]

I think I've only played with Thor and some ongoing stuff I'm not sure I can talk about.

As I said if Thor is town he will likely die on N1 or N2, so not sure if recruiting him is a good idea. We will have more info for discussing this on N1.

Why Dunnstral or Karno?

[Zyf]

I know dunnstral's active. i mean like they're kinda spread thin (they play lots of games) but you can't be inactive with 48 posts per day.

karnos, idr where I saw them play but they seemed to have a pretty good idea of what they were doing.

[Zyf]

In the worst case scenario where we've somehow managed to pick all 3 mafia, iirc not_mafia's pretty good

[NJAC]

In the worst case scenario where we've somehow managed to pick all 3 mafia, iirc not_mafia's pretty good

Please reword this, because I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

BTW, my English is not very good, so if something I say isn't clear enough please let me know and I'll reword it.

[Zyf]

In the worst case scenario where we've somehow managed to pick all 3 mafia, iirc not_mafia's pretty good

Please reword this, because I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

BTW, my English is not very good, so if something I say isn't clear enough please let me know and I'll reword it.

basically, not_mafia is my 4th choice
because there's a slim chance that our 3 top choices are all mafia
I think we should try and wait until night 2 to pick, the NK will give us an idea of who's scum/town and thor may die by then

[NJAC]

Picking a scum is not bad, we basically have the power of a cop.

[Zyf]

ur right wow

but is it worth outing ourselves?

[NJAC]

One of us in exchange of one scum is totally worth.

[Save The Dragons]

Day 1 has begun. See you at night.

[Save The Dragons]

Night 1 has begun.