In post 12320, Reasonably Rational wrote:Earlier we made the point that Mastin would lie to the town to get her way, because we know Mastin and have played with her and seen her do it. She accused us of character assassination, but now freely admits
she has done so
. It's not character assassination to point out the truth.
It is when you do so with an agenda.
You pointed it out with the aim to make people not listen to me.
If we were scum, and if we had some sort of bubble immunity (as she's trying to suggest as a scare tactic to get her way; her ultimatums should be rejected simply because it's not okay to hold a game hostage and she's tried to do it twice now), that would only result in us being lynched the next day.
Wrong.
grapes removes Shiro.
We lynch Almost50.
You kill me.
You have bubble immunity.
The timing works out that Shiro and grapes, members of the town, only return to the game AFTER there are no town left. Triggering the scum wincon.
This is why you need to die first by the plan: because the risk you hold an ace up your sleeve is higher than the risk that Almost50 holds an ace up his sleeve. As I already explained: his posting makes it fairly abundantly clear that he has no answer for the ideal plan going as scheduled. He has no answer to him being bubbled. He would lose the game.
I fully expect whoever we lynch today to be town.
And I fully expect whoever we bubble to be the scum.
Because, and here's the thing. If you're scum I expect you to have some sort of way to escape the autoloss, but it requires you to not be lynched today.
If Almost50 is scum, I expect you to recognize that he cannot win and therefore submit to being lynched today.
My choice, a binary choice assuming grapes is released and enacts the plan, is really that simple. It comes to what I know of you. You as scum, by your own words, would never propose a plan in which you would automatically lose. So you as scum, proposing to not be today's lynch, tells me that you as scum still have a way to win.
You as town have a way you believe will break the game
regardless of whether you are lynched today or not
.
So you as town have incentive to not be a fucking stubborn asshole and to submit to the autowin which involves your death first.
It's not that difficult to understand.
It is PRECISELY BECAUSE OF YOUR COMPETENCY that I am treating you the way I am. I am absolutely holding a double standard! And that's because I want to win, and I know YOU want to win! So if you're scum, I need to make sure that win is denied to you; if you're town, then we will win together and we can sort out any remaining shit postgame because we'll have won.
If you are scum, you have a way to escape. You have an out, if you avoid the noose. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me, flat-out tell me to my FACE that you, as scum, do not have an out here. Tell me that you, as scum, would willingly enter into a situation where you automatically lose. You know it's not true, so you know that if you were scum, you'd have an escape route planned. Which means that you, as town, should KNOW that you need to die first.
If you are town, who truly believes we have a foolproof autowin plan. If you are town, then it doesn't matter that you die first--Almost50 still gets bubbled, and we still win the fucking game. If you are town, it doesn't matter what the order is, but you should recognize that if you were scum, the order ABSOLUTELY would matter. And while YOU know your alignment.
*I* do not. So we should go with the order which is safer for the people NOT IN YOUR FUCKING SHOES. And the safer order, the order which has a higher chance of guaranteeing a town win, is lynching you then bubbling Almost50.
One has to wonder, at this point, what is motivating Mastin to behave this way.
One simple factor, and one alone:
Desire to win.
And a drive to try to win every step of the way.
If you can't recognize where I'm coming from.
Then I don't know what to tell you.
Because this has all been clear, my stance from the very beginning.
There is a risk of letting you live, by simple virtue of it being YOU let to live, even if the plan calls for your immediate bubble.
There isn't zero risk in letting Almost50, sure--if he has some way to escape, then we would risk a loss. But his posting has clearly indicated to me that he doesn't have a way to escape; your posting indicates if scum you DO have a way to escape.
And that's why I say I fully expect today to be a mislynch. I fully expect the game to not end today. If you are town, then you'll self-lynch and Almost50, the only possible scum candidate, will be bubbled. If you are scum, then you'll manage to bully your way to where we can't lynch you, and then if as I fear you have an out, you'll exploit it to win.
That's why you need to be today's lynch. That's why you've been my fucking push. It's because you're too damn smart for your own good. It's because there's too many risks in letting you live, and almost none in letting Almost50 (temporarily) live.