Mini 1840: Watch Dogs Blitz [Game Over]

[PantherPunt]

Hello both new and familiar faces

I'm leaving work now to go get drunk. will potentially grace yinz with my presence when I'm home late. but my money is on the morning

[PantherPunt]

Dunn - funny. and borderline borderline

[PantherPunt]

Dunn - funny. and borderline borderline

This has no context.

Nor should it. It's addressed to Dunn. just did it in the thread bc private communication is for the birds. maybe

My question to you is - where you going with that? or are you just posting to add a post to your post count

[PantherPunt]

I'd like an explanation of what the hell it meant.

He messaged me "I'm town"

which in an of itself is a pointless and innocuous thing to say

but it can also have contextual significance between us if interpreted in a certain way. problem being that contextual significance should not be being discussed whatsoever in this thread or any thread at the present

so the subject needs to be killed. I was warning him that it was borderline breachy

but at the end of the day he just claimed town to me

p-edit: i fucking hate multiquotes where the person doesn't
A) spoiler that shit
B) add any commentary

it's a form of the scum tactic in which you vaguely lay things out to make others draw and verbalize conclusions that you can then react to rather than asserting your own. bc you can't naturally assert your own conclusions while being fully informed

so my challenge to you lane - what exactly is the conclusion you are displaying? what do you want me to know and come to believe?

[PantherPunt]

It was a follow up to me asking what posts were superficial

I went up and saw that.

"Superficial" is such a dumbass buzzword on this site. If you can't describe

how

something is superficial versus what the real depth of thought should be, then I don't believe you believe it

That's what I was getting at. Needs some explanation of thoughts rather than leaving it for readers to try to sit there, look at those posts, and then try to fit

in their own mind

a superficiality (or whatever the lead-in thought about the person is) to the post

[PantherPunt]

Day 1 Vote Count 1.12

Creature (L-6): StarGazers,
Lane0168 (L-4): Pantherpunt, SlySly,GuiltyLion,
Dunnstral (L-6): Gamma Emerald,
StarGazers (L-6): Creature,
Grapevine (L-6): Infinity324,
Infinity 324 (L-3): Grapevine, Expedience, lane0168, House,

Not Voting (2):Mathblade, Dunnstral,

With 13 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-17 08:00:00)

Look at how the vote counts are distributed. Yet no one is talking about anyone but you, This reeks of mislynch central.

good to know I'm voting lane

[PantherPunt]

LANE - explain your thoughts when you went into that ISO to post that multiquote of things you called superficial. my preference is every single one but you can just pick 3

You need to tell me what your thought process was that made you click the little "Q+" button on the post. Like: this post is "superficial" because X, when really town should be caring more about Y, Z

or some form of that. bc right now I think you just grabbed a bunch of posts to try to substantiate a generality you threw out

[PantherPunt]

Math, how often do people who try to guess the whole scumteam on d1 end up being correct?

personally, I try every game and I think I've nailed it like 10% (something like 3/30) in games with 2-3 person scum teams

I think it has a bit of merit but you always need to gauge confidence on each read and vote and advocate for votes on the one you feel most strongly about (if you're a good player)

if you're not, listen to good players

[PantherPunt]

I like you panther.

But I don't think you're right about this lane thing. He seems like misguided town

ok....if I had a peek on you I'd give that some weight

as it currently stands I need him to answer me to see what I think of him

[PantherPunt]

I like you panther.

But I don't think you're right about this lane thing. He seems like misguided town

Actually, I need to ISO lane again. I don't remember him doing that much town since his slip. But gut says he's town.

townslips my favorite

[PantherPunt]

Infinity has used the "pretending to look busy" thing twice. So because he doesn't understand where people are going

Questions someone for Townreading him and accuses someone of wking him. But it seems like he's doing it cause he thinks he should. Not because he actually believes it

Suggests a buddying attempt. Just shade

Throws shade in someone for using "his" reasons, when 1 of 2 were mine.

One person doesn't seem to be doing a ton of scum hunting. Just shade

These are all the easiest things to use but it's all just throwing shade. Most recently he said he had too many townreads and needs to figure out who he scum reads. After all that throwing shade around and SUPERFICIALLY scum reading people, it went nowhere.

The rest of his posts just look like he's saying things he thinks he should be saying as scum.

So I just read this and then went back and reread the multiquote you posted. I think I'm satisfied with what you've said but I simultaneously do not see eye to eye with you on these bullet points being scummy when I actually look at the posts themselves

[PantherPunt]

Panther could be doing the thing where you pretend to be smart as scum but occam's razor says not so likely. We'll see.

what's this mean?

to quote Jeffrey Skilling

I'm fucking smart

[PantherPunt]

"the thing where you pretend to be smart as scum" is not a thing I'm familiar with

primarily because people are either smart or they're not. pretending to be smart isn't exactly a strong suit of the dumb that they can just turn on as scum.

and therefore I can't imagine alignment indication actually being a thing there

[PantherPunt]

purgepool is lion/star/infinity/math

If I'm a vig I shoot slysly

just want to see your thoughts here...was slysly and addendum to your purgepool?

what made him get his own classificaiton as a vig target rather than a potential lynch target

[PantherPunt]

Your posts so far have been the definition of deep and thoughtful, pretty much. Scum have quite a bit of motivation to look like you can trust them and like they're thinking about the game. But of course you could easily be town too.

I could go off on this but I have to run

but I'll boil it down to: gjge calling behavior that's connotatively towny something scum are motivated to do, but of course, could also just be town

[PantherPunt]

Thing is, you can be smart without showing it. Smart scum have motivation to play up their smartness and/or make it more visible.

Well then it sounds like a player specific thing then where someone sounds particularly smarter as scum. And doesn't as town. Or, meta, if you will.

Maybe if you're wondering about that, you can ask players in the game who have played with me, or check out some completed games.

[PantherPunt]

If I'm a vig I shoot slysly

I hope you're a vig.

Okay slysly might be town. lol

had the opposite reaction

[PantherPunt]

I have Grapevine as a townlean.

My question included a "why" component.

Kinda the same reason as Panther.

"like his actions and his posting"
seems legit

[PantherPunt]

alright actually have to go for a bit

liking infinity a bit
not disliking lane as much anymore
don't like that one slysly post
like mathblade on 678
that's all so far

[PantherPunt]

Town
{lane0168, SlySly}
{PantherPunt, House, Grapevine}
{GuiltyLion, StarGazers}
{Infinity324, Mathblade}
{Creature, Expedience, Dunnstral}
Scum

Do explain the strength of your Panther read please.

I could lynch Panther too, actually.

His ISO feels like commentary.

do explain how my one hour of live interaction looks like commentary

[PantherPunt]

Worried about the borderline borderline thing as that may have been trying to fake a townslip

townslip how

[PantherPunt]

Town
{lane0168, SlySly}
{PantherPunt, House, Grapevine}
{GuiltyLion, StarGazers}
{Infinity324, Mathblade}
{Creature, Expedience, Dunnstral}
Scum

Do explain the strength of your Panther read please.

I could lynch Panther too, actually.

His ISO feels like commentary.

do explain how my one hour of live interaction looks like commentary

If you don't like me calling your ISO shit, stop shitposting.

"ISO feels like commentary" means you saw several if not a majority of posts you felt were commentary

now we get the additional descriptor of shitposts

I asked you to explain. since those instructions were to difficult, I'll be more elaborate.
Go back to my ISO, find the multiple posts you found to be commentary/shitposts, click the "Q+" and/or "quote" button on those posts, and then offer a few words about how they are commentary, shitposts, or otherwise indicative of scum

[PantherPunt]

too* fml

[PantherPunt]

"ISO feels like commentary" means you saw several if not a majority of posts you felt were commentary

Do you know what commentary is? Fucking commenting. That's 90% of your ISO. No scumhunting, just bullshitting.

I'm not about to quote my own posts. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't substantiate a bullshit accusation.
VOTE: House

[PantherPunt]

Saying it could have been trying to look like town

I don't believe anything was borderline anything and thought it was weird you would say that

potentially a misunderstanding that we can just talk about postgame

"ISO feels like commentary" means you saw several if not a majority of posts you felt were commentary

Do you know what commentary is? Fucking commenting. That's 90% of your ISO. No scumhunting, just bullshitting.

I'm not about to quote my own posts. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't substantiate a bullshit accusation.
VOTE: House

Your lack of patience here is surprising

It was clear after two refusals he didn't have anything.
Say something
Get questioned on it
Snarky ahole retort
Get questioned again
Snarky ahole retort

Pretty clear to me he doesn't believe what he's saying. Easy game is easy

[PantherPunt]

Weekends are bad but I think I recall this deadline is Monday at 11 before I replaced in. With the pace of posting I think I'm going to have to read first 8-10 pages bc I typically find some town reads in that part of the game with good reliability and then use ISOs on potential lynches

Have to comment on house "commentary" thing again bc Friday it was at the end of rough workday and I didn't get my thoughts into words as I typically would.

House looks at my ISO. My ISO is literally like 15 posts from one single hour of playing and I stuck with live/current. Claimed I did zero scum hunting and only made comments. If he actually read my posts, he'd have seen me questioning multiple people. Gamma, lane, infinity, I think someone else too. But I was able to get 3 or 4 feel reads in that hour.

The bottom line is he took a replace-in and said "would vote. ISO is commentary" when I had put one hour in. I just can't see that being a real thought. especially if you had actually read my posts. And then looking at his ISO he was setting himself up for it when he questioned someone's town read on me.

I read people best when they try to push me. Now it seems he's widely townread and that I won't have a high chance to get that wagon built up but it's one of my more densely confident reads in a long time.

[PantherPunt]

I don't townread house

Try a vote on for size see how it feels

[PantherPunt]

Will try to check in periodically on weekend but will be glued Monday. In advance, I'd like to request consolidation to the point there are at most 3 competing wagons when we are in final 3-4 hours

I'm used to 12/12 and 36/12 so I hope we have everyone around at EOD. They're super valuable

[PantherPunt]

That's a cool vc

[PantherPunt]

Today is my beer and diapers party so I just don't have time to spend 4 hours and get my reads out there. Plan on going hard in the morning. If your vote on me is unexplained I do suggest you come explain it bc I'm starting with those people

I don't get mislynched

[PantherPunt]

I apologize about replacing into this game at the time that I did. Didn't anticipate not having many available hours before this d1 deadline. Have a lot of time wed-fri upcoming and it'll definitely be made up for.

Forgot about meetings that I had this morning but have one hour right now to go HAM

[PantherPunt]

I'm thinking if we get a universal townread by day 2 we can all claim to that person

Scum sometimes get universally townread on d1 but it's rare for that to continue until d2

Don't see scum pre-game thinking about how to exploit the mechanic and firing right into it at first post. Town, I can of course see that.

Infinity has been one person I haven't been worried about in my recent posting but this kinda locks it up. Don't lynch him ever, it's a Panther take it to bank read

[PantherPunt]

Panther this is p much your only chance to defend yourself.

What do I need to defend myself on specifically?

My plan is to go through the first ~200 posts and deliver some solid reads, probably townreads. And then dive into a couple of ISOs based on what's an actually relevant wagon. unless I find something that everyone else somehow overlooked which is entirely possible. then I'll need to see if enough people are online to get that lynch

[PantherPunt]

Calling it Gamma/Lane/Creature

*mic drop*

had bad feels from some of Math's first few posts but this is a town tell IME and it's d1 pass level of a town tell

note to self to try to predict whole scum team early d1 when scum. often do as town, never have as scum

[PantherPunt]

Panther is L-2

Gamma is L-3

Yeah Panther seems to be putting some good stuff up.
UNVOTE:

SHIT
I'm the only wagon within hammer range at this point
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

went back to see what wagon situation is....and this is weird

I'm the only viable self-preservation vote for gamma yet he unvotes me. even weirder it's because I'm "putting some good stuff up" after I made a page 1 read (it's a good read thought)

used to seeing this situation outside looking in and I'd say it was scum/scum and a vanilla is avoiding self-pres vote on a PR

except I'm part of the actual happenings and it therefore gives me gamma town feels. bc why the fuck would he peel off me if he's scum. "wifom" doesn't fit in high leverage spot right here

[PantherPunt]

Gamma, two players voting you doesn't mean one of them must be scum.

It's the way the wagon formed.

Why it indicates one scum?

Because it feels like scum trying to get an easy mislynch.

Why would we push your lynch that early?

Who is "we"?

VOTE: creature

just for future reference lane if you're town here - scum don't make this level of slip where they literally admit to being scum by way of pronoun use. the question is fair enough to pose but you should be much more worried about the follow up to see if it's frozen/panicky etc. but this is likely a dead end 99% of time and I think scum are more inclined to pounce on this type of thing than town are

so I hope to see you peel of of it shortly

[PantherPunt]

What I mean is that even if one of us is scum, town won't let the wagon end in a lynch that early, at some point it'll die.

That's a bullshit assumption.

pure commentary mode here..................

[PantherPunt]

@Mod: I'm assuming the items are PR shots. Do normal PRs exist in this game?

I cannot answer this question.

Are the items PR shots though?

this is ridiculous and should never be taking place in the thread.

but is very likely modspew that gamma is town or I'd expect these quesitons to be in private or in scum chat. unless anyone knows of gamma having a history of trying to angleshot spew himself by doing these types of things in the past

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

VOTE: lane

Serious vote

LAMIST post: Look how town I am for trying to get us straight out of rvs!

I'm thinking if we get a universal townread by day 2 we can all claim to that person

Scum sometimes get universally townread on d1 but it's rare for that to continue until d2

This post has merit, but it seems like he's doing his damnedest to be "that guy".

40% does NOT make a reliable pattern.

If someone has a 40% chance of being scum, that's a hell of a lot higher than anyone else

Town does not lynch scum d1 40% of the time. If we quicklynched you right now, we would have a better shot at lynching scum than if we let the game play out naturally. (Not saying we should, but since this is blitz it's a reasonable possibility).

God this is just terrible. Testing the waters for a quicklynch, much?

Yeah, scum feel less comfortable leaving naked votes apparently.

What do you mean "apparently"? That seems weird. Apparent by what?

Experience

You don't say" apparently" when its based on experience. I think you're full of it

I think you're picking on stupid shit to push on to deflect attention off of gamma

Agree with that post.

Calling it Gamma/Lane/Creature

*mic drop*

Lane Pointing out a TvS fight is not scummy. Look at recently completed 1825 I replaced into. Mentioned 1v1s I had and caught House. Only reason I got fucked up was Titus got in the game.

Running out the door.

Lane helps out buddy after I drop serious vote. Gamma tells the truth about 1 scum being already on the wagon. Creature buddies infinity.

What happens when I flip town?

Town line.

Gamma, why are you so upset about a few votes on you early on?

That's a slimy way to creep away from somebody you were hinting around at quicklynching

I wonder how this site would look like if the meta said: Townreading = Buddying

But like

You're townreading me before there's sufficient evidence to do so imo

And

This "we" thing rubs me the wrong way

(Yeah I just called out lane for semantics but ugh)

Okay, that post actually

is

towny.

Nevermind my last post.

I was joking the first time but this is literally pure commentary. post by post comments that is ultimately a LAMIST "hey guys watch me have a progression here as I go from one post to another on this guy I thought was scummy but then call one of his posts towny"

[PantherPunt]

I'm already voting house but I don't see that happening. main problem is nobody is around right now

hope those messages were queued up a while ago and fb is just getting to them rather than those people just avoiding the thread

[PantherPunt]

infinity is apparently on per front page

[PantherPunt]

I'm down to 5 minutes here but Gamma peeled off of me to move us to tied wagons at L-3. having a hard time with that

[PantherPunt]

I'm gonna try to peek in on my phone during this 10-11 meeting or hopefully end the meeting early

[PantherPunt]

We have an hour 5 minutes I think

You may have to self hammer if you're town

I am going into a meeting so I'm not on PC to play per usual but will be following on mobile if I can

[PantherPunt]

can't in good conscience self hammer if self pres'ing on gamma is an option

don't know his alignment with certainty and know I'm a threat to scum team that would rejoice at not having to use a nk on me

[PantherPunt]

With us who are on that means we have to lynch panther then

You might want to claim panther

others will get on. will wait on the latter for rn

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: gamma

[PantherPunt]

Interesting indeed. Hi infinity whats up

[PantherPunt]

I wanna start some targeted ISOs but I want to see creature answer infinitys confidence level question first

[PantherPunt]

for any enterprising townies out there...I believe gamma was a wagon that gained momentum at various times throughout d1 (not worried about eod consolidation)

would be interesting to see who were the subjects of conversation/competing wagons when gamma votes built at various times
how the voters who moved to him did so (progression of read vs their other scumreads/votes)
who voted him but didn't vote him as deadline approached and if that makes sense for that person

I plan to do this but won't have the hours until tomorrow

[PantherPunt]

How convenient you lynch my top townread while I'm afk and Creature comes into the day claiming guilty on our slot lol I don't care what Nat says I'm willing to bet Creature is a role cop on us and saw that we're pr

We're a roleblocker and we can rb either phone actions or actual pr actions we can do both but we won't be able to rb the next night we roleblocked slysly last night

so he saw you were a roleblocker and decided that he would claim a guilty on you to get you lynched. knowing it's a 1 for 1 and that he'd be lynched the next day...as a rolecop

there is no world that ever happens and no world where I'd believe you actually believe that

gg your game is over

[PantherPunt]

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

[PantherPunt]

no reason to fakeclaim that one is able to roleblock phone actions. that'd be stupid.
Stargazers, you have what amounts to a guilty on SlySly. yet you're voting Creature because he got a guilty result on you? even though it's been brought up that redirection or framing could be possible? i don't buy it.
did i misunderstand something?
add the points earlier, that it would be ridiculous for Creature as scum to frame you in this manner when he would likely be lynched the next day.

this is pretty much the crux of it. makes no sense to vote creature there when the response is "you must have been redirected/framed" and simultaneously know there was a no-kill night when you blocked slysly

would love to see the attempt at explaining that though

[PantherPunt]

Here, I'll start the wagon for you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SlySly

when will people stop doing this though

[PantherPunt]

So at risk of saying too much, Maria has an explanation for why she thinks Creature is scum but some of the assumptions in her logic aren't flying with me so I'm going rogue. I still don't see even with the presence of a role cop mafia would want to 1 for 1 us right now. Creature may be scum as well but this is practically confirmed in our eyes.

VOTE: SlySly
-Nahdia

so you figured out what your POV should actually be, at least

[PantherPunt]

invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

[PantherPunt]

I believe Stargazers is town or scum have fake claims.

can you reconcile star going after creature rather than slysly after being the one to propose a redirect/frame?

and do you believe creature was messed with/star was framed? or do you think creature is just full out faking a guilty?

[PantherPunt]

Would you abandon your guilty because there's a possibility (even if it's small) that someone could've messed up your investigation?

is this a hypothetical question? as in the "you" is referring to yourself, creature?

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: Creature

I'm pretty sure we most likely blocked the kill last night because that flip on Gamma was scummy as fuck

@mathblade I agree about scumhunting over mechanics

so how do you not care about the cognitive dissonance in this post

I don't know what actually happened but I know this perspective doesn't add up for someone who is evaluating who the most likely scum is from their point of view

I realize now the other hyrda head said the thing about "you were redirected or framed" but just in this one post alone there's a disconnect

[PantherPunt]

I just caught up. Don't think I have anything to say right now. One thing that stood out was that expediences posts seemed kind of lost and disconnected. Not sure that it's in a scummy way bc it doesn't seem like forced aloofness which I can see a reason scum would want to try. Idk kinda noting it as something to revisit.

We are lynching stargazers. I want to c/p the couple hundred end game posts from a game I railed where there was a guilty on someone and he convinced them he was a traitor who reached his conversion condition and they actually didn't do it and got endgamed

[PantherPunt]

I remember one grapevines post this phase and it wasn't good. And that's two ppl

Also needs attention same bucket at expedience

[PantherPunt]

Here, I'll start the wagon for you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SlySly

Not again! =(

So there's no other explanation for no kill?

Probably a doctor or roleblocker that didn't claim.

Here, I'll start the wagon for you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SlySly

How does having a rolecop relate?

it was these two posts that just pinged me out as weird

@expedience - in the first post above^ did you just jump into the thread at that point in time without reading the claims, discussion, etc and propose it was a doctor or roleblocker that caused the no-kill?

or had you read everything and were saying something more nuanced?

[PantherPunt]

Chara is town or good scum I think

Maybe it's just me but these type of statements are both funny and scummy to me

Not enough to seriously hinder my read on you but look at it. "He's town or scum, just that if he's scum he's pretty good"

Similar to the thing you said about me earlier in game. If you're making a read known please do not do this hedgey thing where it looks to me like you're noticing no heat going chara's way and saying its town but then adding a clause to let yourself scumread it later if you'd like

Your reads can change. Give what they are now. If you're undecided say so explicitly or say nothing. end mini rant

[PantherPunt]

PM fire is wrt what happens to the phone abilities when you block someone

I'm not sure I understand the question. We block someone's phone abilities (which includes items), they fail if they used any that phase. Just like role abilities.
-Nahdia

The question is how does phone block work. If you block the phone actions is it for night only? For night and following day? If it's not multiphase do you alternativey have the option to use it as a day action to block day phone stuff.

The answer is it doesn't matter what your answer is. There's a claimed guilty on you and you're being lynched. I'm sincerely sorry if you got boned by shenanigans but c'est la vie. You're allowed to be angry about it regardless of your alignment really but I'm not letting this lynch go any other way. We are just talking in the meantime. If you're town, talk a lot and push where you see fit. If you're Mafia you probably want to shut the fuck up period but I hope you talk a lot in holding out hope you wiggle out of this noose

[PantherPunt]

@infinity thanks for saying so. It's a peeve

[PantherPunt]

Not explaining cause that's counterproductive
(Gamma)
(Dunnstral lane0168)
(Mathblade Infinity324)
(GuiltyLion PantherPunt Grapevine )
(House Expedience )
(SlySly)
(Creature)

SlySly is a bit bias cause I still think the line is scummy regardless
~Maria

MariaR may answer as well

Dunn Lane Math town
Infinity is town lane
Sly house slot are scum
Creature is ???
Rest I don't have a good enough read.

what happened to expedience

[PantherPunt]

assuming a mafia flip
rule of 3 says one of dunn/lane/math is scum
and one of house/expedience/sly/creature

but I can't tinfoil my way to a world where it's creature
sly I can tinfoil but it's tinfoil. and I really like my house read

[PantherPunt]

don't end the day without me getting answer from expedience

and grapevine having one post. I've leveled myself a hundred times on that post

[PantherPunt]

I'll hammer Stargazers.

No. I don't trust you in the off case StarGazers is town. I will hammer once everyone is posted and we can use this time to wait on a House replacement.

lol what

[PantherPunt]

Oh yeah I agree with drawing out the deadline for the replacement

that and the fact that expedience has 6 posts and grapevine has 1 this phase

[PantherPunt]

Just nobody vote for the next two days. Pretty simple

[PantherPunt]

I'm kinda sad nobody texts me

[PantherPunt]

low blow

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

Here, I'll start the wagon for you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SlySly

Not again! =(

So there's no other explanation for no kill?

Probably a doctor or roleblocker that didn't claim.

Here, I'll start the wagon for you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SlySly

How does having a rolecop relate?

it was these two posts that just pinged me out as weird

@expedience - in the first post above^ did you just jump into the thread at that point in time without reading the claims, discussion, etc and propose it was a doctor or roleblocker that caused the no-kill?

or had you read everything and were saying something more nuanced?

I had read everything at that point iirc, or at least most of it. I wasn't trying to imply anything other than what I stated

what did you mean by "roleblocker that didn't claim"
and did you get clarity on your confusion about where rolecop was involved in discussion?

[PantherPunt]

i still have no context for any of this, but that question looked to me like what Panther was reading it was. 'are you confident about your result, and should we listen to you?'
i don't see a problem with that, Varsoon.
also, hello! :>

It reads more like lining up lynches to me.
No shit Panther's willing to deal with the consequences of what he said--trying to insist "Oh but it you're wrong we get to lynch you, too" is awkward. Like I said, it seems like setting up for a town v town where both get lynched.

Also, my whole message thing was just to make sure no one had message spying, everyone got messages as intended, and could respond to them without role shenanigans getting in the way. It also served as a bit of a reaction test, but, /shrugs, didn't really get great info from it other than that SlySly, Tatsuya-slot, Lane, Stargazer, and Expedience did not respond, for whatever reason.

Everyone the replied did so as instructed.

Apologies for my absence. I've been a little sick.
-V

A town roleblocker that isn't Stargazers that blocked the scum kill

Yea, Infinity explained it after I asked.

Ok I didn't read your posts that way initially and then after thinking more figured you meant that but I didn't want to say it for you so thanks for answering. Carry on

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I apparently fat fingered the multi quote button on my phone

But regarding that post... Varsoon I presume you're talking about infinity still there and not me

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Why hasn't there been a lynch yet?

You're good ending day early when there is a slot open for replacement?

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assuming a mafia flip
rule of 3 says one of dunn/lane/math is scum
and one of house/expedience/sly/creature

but I can't tinfoil my way to a world where it's creature
sly I can tinfoil but it's tinfoil. and I really like my house read

What was the reasoning for this?

It's a spew tell

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Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

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Creature should hack stargazers I think

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

I tried to talk this out with Dunn already but he didn't respond.

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

I sent him a message saying that if he hacked and blanked to tell me what slot he hacked and I'd try another. He didn't reply. Though his persistent questioning to Stargazers gave me the impression that they had an item.

Thinking about it it's pretty straightforward. If star is scum they should and probably have burnt their item if they can. If they're not they should have willingly contacted a top town read and shared the info so they could take it if it has potential future value. If that's already been done then it shouldn't be discussed by either party.

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invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

I can't believe I missed this shit the first time around

"Look at how much I'm bussing here"

At a time when grapevine is voting you and math is talking about not lynching star, it's pretty important that people be aware of the relevant details and get it through their heads that it's always correct to lynch the guilty. What did you perceive that makes you have a revelation that I'm scum bussing while others who have the same opinion as me are not

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Panther can you explain your reads with regards to rule of 3? I'm kinda fuzzy here.

Ya it's a tell I've observed. For some reason scum like to include a bro in their top townreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.
And like to include a bro in their top scumreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.

So when looking at Star's earlier list of reads pre-guilty, I took note. When you look at the new list it's basically static except Expedience fell out of the list which was interesting.

I like using it as a basis to look at those groupings as compared to my own reads

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Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

I am but as far as d1 goes I've read the first 10 pages and then have otherwise read things via ISO. I did it up against the d1 deadline but ultimately it was me or gamma.

So I still have a lot of reading to do but I think it's more valuable to stay current and read back as I have time so I've mostly been staying current.

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You just kept arguing for the lynch when it was clear to me at least that stargazers was getting lynched no matter what. We don't need the vote of every single player

I disagree that it was clear stargazers was getting lynched no matter what. Read through thread discussion at the time. Probably why in real time you had no problem with my adamancy

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@Panther What's your read on chara?

T-->S

Creature, Lane, Math, Sly, House, Expedience, Dunn, GV, Panther, Chara

Don't have a solid read there but gun to head town

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Fair enough and ya I had mathblade in mind primarily. I think I was skewed onto her a bit bc of something that made me feel she was town

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Panther can you explain your reads with regards to rule of 3? I'm kinda fuzzy here.

Ya it's a tell I've observed. For some reason scum like to include a bro in their top townreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.
And like to include a bro in their top scumreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.

So when looking at Star's earlier list of reads pre-guilty, I took note. When you look at the new list it's basically static except Expedience fell out of the list which was interesting.

I like using it as a basis to look at those groupings as compared to my own reads

What's your read on expedience?

Had a bad feeling on his first two posts of this phase like he was trying to feign ignorance of the overall situation in the thread but revisited it and questioned him on it and am fairly sure I was wanting something to be the case that wasn't

Outside of that I don't remember anything on him to have a read so he's squarely in the needs to be looked into bucket at the moment

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Assuming the gazers scum flip then I have to take creature off the table

Other town leans are Math, Dunn, and I think infinity but I keep having moments of doubt on that one

So coming at it from poe angle is helping somewhat

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@panther What happened to your read on house

nothing happened to it. still feel like how he addressed me was off the cuff fabricated and he had no basis to have a staunch and repeated "you're just commenting bro" stance about someone who had been in the game for an hour's worth of posts

are you asking in reply to the town reads I listed?

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I just looked at House's voting and him moving off of Gamma when he got to L-2 and then going back to Gamma after infinity berated him for voting slysly who was a townread

but then I read that sequence of posts and slysly had moved his vote to gamma who was a townread of his. had even said before that "get the fuck of sly"

but then comes in and says he thought gamma wagon was stale and he was going for a compromise lynch which was slysly, who gamma was voting

so then he peels back to gamma and freaks out on infinity for questioning what he was doing and goes back to saying how obviously scummy gamma was

Spoiler:

Day 1 Vote Count 1.17

Lane0168 (L-6): GuiltyLion,
House (L-6): Pantherpunt,
PantherPunt (L-3): Infinity324, Expedience, SlySly, Creature,
SlySly (L-4): Gamma Emerald, lane0168, Stargazers,
Gamma Emerald (L-3): House, Grapevine, Mathblade, Dunnstral,

Not Voting (0):

With 13 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Searching for Replacement for GuiltyLion

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-17 08:00:00)

Lol, people get the fuck off Sly...

Fuck it.

VOTE: SlySly

You've been calling slysly town for...how long now? And never mentioned once that you were losing your townread of him

ffs

This is really bad play if you're town

VOTE: Gamma

L-2

Getting all jumpy over a couple votes looks shady as fuck, Infinity.

So I was giving up on the Gamma wagon because it was getting stale and went for a compromise lynch. So what?

So I rejoined the wagon when I saw that it wasn't as anemic as I thought. So what?

Where's the scum motivation in my votes?

Answer that.

Did I call it scummy?

I said it warrants an explanation.

Quote one post where you showed doubt of your sly townread before you voted him.

Did I call it scummy?

I said it warrants an explanation.

Quote one post where you showed doubt of your sly townread before you voted him.

That post is my vote. If I had a hard scumread on Sly, my vote post wouldn't have been "fuck it", you shadecasting dick.

it looks like fake anger and it looks like a fake read when he can abandon it and then go back to it and declare how strongly scummy gamma is

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not to mention I was on House's willing to lynch list but after his intial shade throw at me that I fought him on he doesn't address me at all or talk about his read on me when I am actually a viable wagon

fake reads

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not great lolcats but I appreciate it nontheless

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See this is the kind of stuff I don't think scum would readily do. The first point seems like too much risk for too little reward, and with the second point if you're town house would want to discuss/push your wagon more.

Ironically all of the votes on me look genuine except GV's. But I don't want to go into d1 too much except for associatives because scum were probably careful to look town.

Gamma wagon was weird since it was just a 4 person wagon + 3 who jumped on to avoid a no lynch. Panther and SlySly's alignments are kind of important to determining stuff there, but from the way things played out it indicates all 3 were town actually. Scum would've tried to jump on a CW if one was scum, but instead everything just stalled.

Well I was looking at the potential reward as sliding off of a mislynch wagon if it were possible. And seeing that heat surrounded it he moved back to Gamma.

In terms of House wanting to discuss/push my wagon more, he had a whole lot more that he had posted/could point to as backup for why he supported a Gamma lynch. My wagon was never based on anything more than "he hasn't done enough" as far as I can tell from those who voted me. Consolidation

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Spoiler:

Day 1 Vote Count 1.16

Lane0168 (L-6): GuiltyLion,
House (L-6): Pantherpunt,
PantherPunt (L-2): Infinity324, Expedience, SlySly, Dunnstral, Creature,
Mathblade (L-6): Gamma Emerald,
Expedience (L-6): Stargazers
Gamma Emerald (L-4): House, Grapevine, lane0168,

Not Voting (1): Mathblade,

With 13 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Searching for Replacement for GuiltyLion

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-17 08:00:00)

VOTE: SlySly
Okay that was a lot that happened.
SlySly has sank down in my reads during my reading of the last few pages.

VOTE: slysly didn't realize there was potential for a wagon. Good deal!

VOTE: Slysly

Creature and Sly look like partners with that last line cause I know for sure me "asking if others find this post scummy" doesn't look bad whatever bs Creature was making up
~Maria

need to see VC picture there but obviously stargazers vote is one that is most interesting

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if anything it just gives me some more comfort that stargazers and slysly isn't a bus distancing routine today

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I don't think we're ever going to agree on house unfortunately. My gut is telling me he's town because he is, and I'm almost never wrong when that's the case.

Interestingly there seemed to be a lot of discussion and pushing on gamma and slysly after the flashwagon on panther.

And I'm almost never wrong when I derive a scumread directly from someone's push on me and whether or not I think they believe it. I'll be interested to see the replacement's play and I hope you don't cling to your House read in a way that keeps you from evaluating the slot openly

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it looks like fake anger and it looks like a fake read

"ISO feels like commentary" means you saw several if not a majority of posts you felt were commentary

Do you know what commentary is? Fucking commenting. That's 90% of your ISO. No scumhunting, just bullshitting.

I'm not about to quote my own posts. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't substantiate a bullshit accusation.
VOTE: House

hey its that thing where you quote posts but don't say anything and you hope people draw a conclusion but you leave it open ended

please explicitly state your point

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I'm gassed out on mafia see you tomorrow maybe

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948

is

fake

Well it's not. I wasn't angry. I was done discussing it and solidly confident House was, is scum

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Citizen. Creature is dead in the water and there's likely just one left

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Not sure I understand the play

But it's creature so

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What do you mean dead in the water?

I mean you better kill him.

Not sure why you bus and then fake a guilty. Not expecting to be believed after he outed maf yesterday. Based on what we have seen I don't think there are chaos creating roles but maybe item or something

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he knows he lives to f7 then gets lynched worst case and partner has to dodge 2 so partner probably well town read as of now

Unless he believes he has a good explanation to avoid lynch in which case they may have lynches in mind

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If you're town expedience is probably mafia

Idk to be honest I haven't sunk my teeth into this game as I normally do as of yet

Just came in too deep, been overextended, and don't have as much maf time

Feel good about you being town. Would need to look at player list to give the rest I'm a bit tuned up

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gg

Thanks for running fire. I never stay salty more than a day :p