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[Hoopla]

First page discussion about dice voting
Second page post about not random voting

Only thing missing is a shameless bandwagon discussion

vote: goodmorning

Good to see Sotty has still got it after all these years!

[goodmorning]

Is that what you were looking for?

Exactly.

Glad to be of help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CloudKicker]

I'm curious Cloud, how do you kick start games on epicmafia without random voting?

RVS has been here for as long as I have been on this site, or at least as long as I remember. It's changed and migrated over the years, but it is pretty much always fruitful in starting the game from nothing, especially since day starts became more common. It's not perfect but the reason it is still here is because there hasn't really been anything to replace it.

I mean right now we have you and Michel debating playing style over anything that has really happened in the game yet. Strongly held play ideals won't change from a scum to town role, but perhaps how someone enters the game in "RVS" will.

To sum it up, we vote our fos and we lynch them. Reads are easier to get and are more accurate since its easier to deceive when you have time to write a post vs real time

[goodmorning]

mfw i don't ignore cloud but cloud ignores meeeeeee

[CloudKicker]

Awe kitty, i just skimmed trough and didnt see you responded sorry

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.01

goodmorning (2)

Hoopla , Sotty7 ,

Hoopla (1)

MichelSableheart ,

BlackVoid (2)

I Am Innocent , Jaack ,

VictorDeAngelo (1)

goodmorning ,

CloudKicker (1)

TwoFace ,

I Am Innocent (1)

VictorDeAngelo ,

MariaR (1)

Raskolnikov ,

Not Voting (4)

BlueBloodedToffee , BlackVoid , CloudKicker , MariaR ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday November 2, 8 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-02 08:00:00)

Mod note: Since I track votes in excel, I usually provide vote counts with links in them. It's a bit unusual compared to most mods, but I consider it a nice service for players. Sometimes I'll phone post a VC or the like and you won't get links, but usually you will.

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

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[BlackVoid]

@Rask, what's there to like about GM's comments on BBT? If you are talking about post #8, there's nothing in there that's an alignment marker. Just looks like an early vote on someone they played with before and hoping that he is town which is something I could see from either alignment.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

This entire post gives me bad vibes:

I actually like what GM said about BBT

unless it's a super catered pocketing attempt.

Also him saying the game was annoying I think mirrors how I felt about people arguing over the dice,

although that's an assumption.

I'm wondering what the likelihood is micheal would issue that PSA #1 as scum, I think very low.

The only issue is the chance he thought of it from pre-game and planned to say it regardless of role pm, instead of just now (makes sense given the circumstances).

No scumleads yet though.

Too many qualifiers. You undermine pretty much all the points you are making.

[Hoopla]

^not bad, not bad.

I feel like goodmorning is close to finally cracking and going into full meltdown, but consider me voting for Raskolnikov too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I actually like what GM said about BBT unless it's a super catered pocketing attempt.

What did you like about it?

Not much has happened so far - we need to get a wagon going.

VOTE: Rask

[Sotty7]

Beggars can't be choosers.

Unvote, Vote: Raskolnikov

[Sotty7]

Happy enough with hoopla's post on Michel to have him as my first town read. Hoopla piggybacks off this with a slight town read as well, even though she probably would point this out as scum or town.

Cloud I have a neutral read since most of his posts have been about playing style but I'm hoping that's just because he is new.

Everyone else is pretty much nothing at this point.

[CloudKicker]

Happy enough with hoopla's post on Michel to have him as my first town read. Hoopla piggybacks off this with a slight town read as well, even though she probably would point this out as scum or town.

Cloud I have a neutral read since most of his posts have been about playing style but I'm hoping that's just because he is new.

Everyone else is pretty much nothing at this point.

lol funny, i have no idea why youd make a post avec someone null-telling with non-alignement tellings posts about mechanics. Also, whats the difference between ''much nothing at this point'' and ''neutral read'' -> isnt everyone a neutral read by default when you dont have any reads on them

[Hoopla]

I can't believe we're letting goodmorning off the hook...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Raskolnikov

[TwoFace]

Ooh a wagon.

Coin flip

Sweet got heads.

VOTE: rask

[TwoFace]

L-2

[Raskolnikov]

I liked it because it's what I thought, I had a lot of trouble with BBT our last 2 games. One game it took me 4 days to make my mind up on him, but he mislynched me, next game I mislynched him day 1 and got nightkiilled. The caveat is because it's an assumption I would have to later check it again, but it was okay for early.

Ironically, now that I said that and people actually voted me for it, 47 rubs me the opposite way. People won't like me saying this, but fuck it.

As for the qualifiers point, this is lame but I do think like that. People hate wishywashyness so much though, sometimes I bury the doubts down and just present a simplified viewpoint to make things easier for people. But then again I've been getting nightkilled early in recent games so this might be for the best.

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: TwoFace

Havent outed a single read, the coin gimmick and jumping on that wagon. Also hes being totally ignored by the rest of the table for some reasons

[TwoFace]

The coin gimmick is my thing. Have you never heard of twoface?

[Sotty7]

Happy enough with hoopla's post on Michel to have him as my first town read. Hoopla piggybacks off this with a slight town read as well, even though she probably would point this out as scum or town.

Cloud I have a neutral read since most of his posts have been about playing style but I'm hoping that's just because he is new.

Everyone else is pretty much nothing at this point.

lol funny, i have no idea why youd make a post avec someone null-telling with non-alignement tellings posts about mechanics. Also, whats the difference between ''much nothing at this point'' and ''neutral read'' -> isnt everyone a neutral read by default when you dont have any reads on them

What do you think of this wagon that's popped up?

You're right about the neutral read but I wanted to make more of a mental note when it came to you.

[TwoFace]

Havent outed a single read

can you please link me to where you have outed reads, I have trouble locating them when looking over your iso.

[Raskolnikov]

Of those on my wagon.

Blackvoid vote has understandable reasoning and I like him thinking that way. BBT's makes sense because he'd probably want to sort me based of our experience, but there are caveats. twoface/sotty is blank/neutral, I assume the "justification" is to get an early wagon going but I can't read into alignment on that so much.

I don't like hoopla vote justified on association; If you scumread someone enough this early to look at associations, I think you'd keep pushing them instead. 57 is a little ridiculous.

In my own experience I love to push association tells as scum (because it's easy and low-commitment) and people rarely call you out for pushing things on it.

I also enjoy
a) linking a scumpartner with a townie in associations, best case scenario townie lynch makes the scumpartner look better, worst case scum gets lynched and get the townie in return
b) super scumread a scum for strong reasons but end up pushing/voting town for weak reasons
but in this case, although the switch by hoopla from gm to me is weird I don't think that was distancing. I would imagine goodmorning would have fought hoopla back a bit more if that was the goal, instead of voting victor. Same with goodmorning's comment on being annoyed earlier.

Mostly though, the post saying she feels her scumread is about to crack under pressure but she changes vote is absurd to me. You pressure someone and then right when you feel you're almost there, you switch to something like an weak association as town. I think the frustration in 62 is over the top considering she didn't really put that much effort into changing people's minds. Again, anecdotal, but as scum I love to complain about "oh no I have to do this because everyone else" and not take responsibility or effort into fighting against it and changing people's minds (for obvious reasons)... she didn't really push gm with much effort before complaining like this, if you look at the iso.

VOTE: Hoopla

[TwoFace]

I can't believe we're letting goodmorning off the hook...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Raskolnikov

if you want to lynch gm, why the vote change?

[Raskolnikov]

And yeah, omgus. Bite me.

[Raskolnikov]

^That's the third mirroring tell this in game now. Twoface probably didn't read my post before saying that.

[TwoFace]

And yeah, omgus. Bite me.

eh, this comment was unnecessary cause omgus as a valid tell died years ago

p,edit - you're right, i didn't