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In post 630, Hermie wrote:I'm riding but the road is rough enough that I keep hitting the wrong buttons.

In post 631, Impoetic wrote:

In post 615, CCC wrote:

In post 492, Impoetic wrote:you mean when I said that people's PR/non-PR reads on me were like completely irrelevant to my actual role half the time? Why would you assume it was proven? Are you implying

you

know my role?

Half

the time? How accurate is that figure? Do you perchance have stats (drawn only from completed games, of course) to back that up?

That's a figure of speech, not a statistical estimation. I meant nothing more than that in the other version of mafia I play, people tend to overanalyze/overestimate how much I play to my role. I cannot list games where this happened because it's not forum mafia. Cloud plays there too.

In post 632, Impoetic wrote:

In post 618, CCC wrote:

In post 504, Impoetic wrote:friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

In post 632, Impoetic wrote:

In post 621, CCC wrote:

In post 561, Impoetic wrote:VOTE: L.U.V.

i'll be a sheep because my SR was wrong

Why do you think your SR was wrong?

because he came and posted some things that seemed really genuine to me. It wasn't necessarily a strong read in the first place.

In post 753, CCC wrote:

In post 632, Impoetic wrote:

In post 618, CCC wrote:

In post 504, Impoetic wrote:friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 596, rb wrote:wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because that kind of confidence in a read based on nothing would be obvious bullshit / fake reads, and that's pretty damn obv!scum.

In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:This is pretty likely town!trans. See my meta case on him in LYLO the first time we played (and he was a wolf)

Spoiler:

In post 2935, mhsmith0 wrote:He shows no real intellectual curiosity at all about Io v Karnos. Marked contrast to his typical town games where he bounces around between ideas and suspicions (see links I sent earlier today), and even without meta a strange reaction to an accusation of fighting to essentially hand-wave it away as TvT.

In post 2833, mhsmith0 wrote:In the context of day one...

Town!Transcend
Newbie 1721
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 22, 35, 41, 46, 65, 374, 377, etc.
gives substance behind reads, and is sorting the whole board (though some of the sorts are light on heft), see 346 reads list

New York 196
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8029308
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 46, 49, 54, 57, 59, 397, etc.

Open 645
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
pushing early, bouncing around with his vote and reads, engaging with most of the board
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 195, 227, 229 237, 244, etc.


Wolf!Transcend
Mini 1796
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
early emphasis on explaining/justifying his own push - 167, 169,
questions are self-oriented or weak: 176 is in the context of his own read, 278/279 are questions that don't go anywhere, 281 is in the context of talking about his own vote, 411 is sort of a question, and that's basically it for his first 100 posts

I'm explicitly NOT sorting Fire/Ice since
1) It was multiball
2) His partner was already dead when he subbed in
so that's not reasonably comparable to this game

This game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
(page 1 - first 200 posts)
day one engagement much more focused on specific people (Luna Fox, Thor, PC)
questions are rare and weak - 132 is a push on the player pushing karnos, 352 is a reinforcement of his PC push, ditto 423, 440 is decent though, 642 is a push on luna rather than a true question,
TR of karnos was weak - 317 is a playstyle read, and when thor pushed back in 336, he's not really interested in engaging substantively with the karnos read (394, 397 are both weak in that respect), and pushes to change the topic of conversation
436 is a weird reaction to PC - scum would be MORE likely to make a bad vote, not less
695luna notes trans's posts as being really town, but that only applies i think if karnos is also town; if karnos flips red (which he did) it's an easy post for a buddy to make to sell the "I totally didn't think karnos was flipping red" mindset

In terms of day 1, transcend played much closer to his wolf meta than his town meta. I'd felt better about his later days though, so I need to dig into those to see if I still agree w that or not.

The caveat here is that skimming his ISO there's not much in the way of questioning (more just shit-posting early on), but I don't see him pursuing an agenda, I don't see him pushing himself out of the spotlight, and I don't see any kind of focus on how he's being perceived by the board. It's not 100%, but unless he intentionally swung his meta (which is hard to do btw) just to fool me, I think it's just a lot more likely he's simply town.

In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:PS My day chat knowledge comes from a really cool place. I'm going to spoil it because it might just blow your mind

Spoiler:

In post 1, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:> Mafia have day chat.

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

In post 666, rb wrote:Um all these reasons for why Uzi would be confscum for being confident in his reads are really not realistic, just silly speculation imo. Uzi feels town to me, I like him more than smith/vwxyz right now.

Gerry 'towntell' is NAI - someone would probably say it as either alignment.

In post 672, JaeReed wrote:trans/io/cloud/herm/impo/gerry town
vw probtown

burger is nullish
smith i'm concerned about

uzi is weak scumlean
rb is scumread
ccc is scumread

In post 755, Impoetic wrote:

In post 753, CCC wrote:

In post 632, Impoetic wrote:What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

Ohhh, I get it now. Don't worry, I'm not. If you're really worried, you can probably verify with JaeReed, Transcend, Gerry, or Cloudkicker, as they've all played games with me before, and know I tend to make comments like that. I believe I said it in a followup to Jaereed saying jokingly that was my role.

even if I were scum it wouldn't be something to be embarrassed over because you would have no way of knowing that comment was real.

In post 758, CCC wrote:Explicitly voting someone who's not your top scumread without good reason trips all my scum detectors.

In post 747, Burgerking wrote:

In post 712, gerryoat wrote:I can't find 1 post from BurgerKing that actually has them scumhunting.

ironic.

heres a few posts where i demonstrate scumhunting:

post 308
post 467

there are a bunch of other posts where i ask JaeReed, Io, Impoetic to explain things they said.

so blatant lie is blatant.

hmm let's look at u now.

post 483 - filler opening post (abt how theres a lot of pages, wanting to flip maf, calling the mod a noob etc.)
post 484 - another useless post abt how you're tired and you'll read later
post 552 - irrational logic
post 569 - another useless post abt how you're not even going to bother to read over what u missed
post 571 - u then announce that u'll skim-read and dont come back with a useful post
post 593 - useless "lol" post
post 704 - claiming to be serious about the irrational logic in post #552
post 706 - useless post
post 707 - useless post
post 712 - useless+incorrect post
post 706 - useless irony posting of facepalm emoji
post 721 - u ask someone to tell u to iso a player instead of just ISO'ing players
post 724 - useless post
post 726 - vague / lacks elaboration
post 729 - the one relevant post u made which is pretty much a BW on LUV

so u basically called me out on not scumhunting which was not only a lie but also completely ironic considerin all the posts u've made so far.

VOTE: Gerryoat

In post 760, CCC wrote:Okay. My reads, in order from Town to Mafia (and colour coded):

Town: CCC

mhsmith0

CloudKicker, rb, VWXYZ, Io, Hermie, Impoetic, BurgerKing

gerryoat

Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

JaeReed

Mafia

VOTE: JaeReed

In post 760, CCC wrote:Okay. My reads, in order from Town to Mafia (and colour coded):

Town: CCC

mhsmith0

CloudKicker, rb, VWXYZ, Io, Hermie, Impoetic, BurgerKing

gerryoat

Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

JaeReed

Mafia

VOTE: JaeReed

In post 734, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:VC

In post 767, gerryoat wrote:btw Impoetic is also mafia lol

In post 750, Impoetic wrote:Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

In post 771, JaeReed wrote:

In post 750, Impoetic wrote:Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

Your point? Do you honestly think I was pretending? Keep in mind that you are under oath, miss impo

In post 734, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:VC