Ttyll: HIPS Anarchists

[eagerSnake]

Whats up

[eagerSnake]

yay! thanks! I try to have fun and make the game fun, all the while kicking it's butt! thouuuugh, I can be quite a brutal dick too (:

the gun makes EVERYONE re-pick, so it will be a crap shoot where anyone ends up, best we can do is coordinate which choices each of us will make

snake, frank, either of you have any special abilities?

anyone else getting weirded out by Eager and Jaeger? Snake and Frank

similarities are...similar

coincidence

[eagerSnake]

What's up my Anarchist brothers?

I promised a catch-up post today any suggestions on what I should talk about? Would be helpful.

[eagerSnake]

just gonna lay low until EoD I think

Pretty much me

[eagerSnake]

Okay so I'm definitely going to move towards ds lynch so I guess I'll side more with Wisdom

should be pretty easy to do

DS has been appealing to emotions more than anything <-- I'll probably tack another point onto this like maybe he's doing mostly IIoA or something like that I can tack on

Wisdom is probably town because.. <-- will have to think of a reason for this

[eagerSnake]

easier said than done obviously

[eagerSnake]

oh I see you are moving towards a Wisdom lynch drealmerz

[eagerSnake]

Snake, would you like to get into a bitch fit with me?

Maybe it gives you some town cred. Not sure how loud I should bark, since you already have suspicion...

If not, cool. We can figure something elsr out.

I don't have suspicion though

[eagerSnake]

and now am thinking NO on that, sooo, hmmmm

SNAKE

did you ever tell us your abilities if any????

I can track people at night and the first time I'm lynched I come back to life but my alignment is mod-revealed at the start of the next day if that happens

[eagerSnake]

Someone claimed already? Who was it? What did they claim?

[eagerSnake]

My ability to survive a lynch is pretty good for scum too because, for example, if I can make it to lylo then I can literally claim scum and be lynched (like if one of you are going to be lynched) and barring other factors make a nightkill and win the game, being revealed the next day would be irrelevant.

[eagerSnake]

They want me to post again. What should I post about this time?

[eagerSnake]

I could post-

I have a few games experience with Vedith so I ISOd him and his posts here matches what I would expect from him so I think he's probably town

Why did the Diamond Sentinel wagon dissolve? He was probably being bussed and his buddies saw an opportunity to dissolve his wagon because he never did anything townie

-Sound ok?

[eagerSnake]

Good luck to them

[eagerSnake]

How's this one sound for this morning?

Home today. Will do some reading and post soon

Everyone else hasn't posted anything remarkable.

I fully expected that both scums are scum, and at least 2 from my null!scum list are, but I suspect that at 1-2 of these 4 possibilities are wrong, and they're replaced by someone on my other lists, mostly 1 from my town stack and 1 from my null.

Just accounting for natural human error.

This is probably town

UNVOTE: DiamondSentinel

I think the votes on Vedith are bad but I will re-read him

[eagerSnake]

If it sounds OK I'll post it in the main thread and follow-up later today with another post voting someone else

[eagerSnake]

btw I totally don't care (much at all) that you're all lurking to the depths of the deep

I'm thinking more that with WQ on the hotseat maybe she should use her ninja tonight in case she's lynched tomorrow.

eagerSnake, thoughts on who you'd like to track?

frank, thoughts on who you'd like to cop?

Tracking Gamma as he seems off to me

[eagerSnake]

I'm just lurkin away

[eagerSnake]

Nah you wouldn't check me because you would know I'm town

[eagerSnake]

I think it might do the opposite

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake tracks Gamma Emerald

[eagerSnake]

One option is sending a message as if it's coming from BTD6

[eagerSnake]

I think I've only got 14$.. I wasn't on the lynch and I only gain 4$ per cycle

the thing about writing as if it's coming from BTD is that I believe that dead players can send an anon message at night and he's the only person who is dead.. I don't think town knows we have this ability and I think you have to buy the ability otherwise

but it's whatever just throwing things out there

[eagerSnake]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Nice ISO

[eagerSnake]

Yeah and I ignored it like everything else lol

Thinking I might come out D2 scolding everyone for how bad they are for lynching BTD and how obvious it was he was town and then just continuing to stay under radar

[eagerSnake]

yeah Gale is def the scum on the wagon

[eagerSnake]

HOWEVER, I don't think WQ and I should go after the same person since *some people* are scumreading the both of us... it would be too transparent.

I don't think I really have to do much.. I can always claim tracker and try to convince them that you NEVER lynch a claimed info role until lylo, and even then if they still want me lynched I can tell them I'm 1-shot Modified Lynchproof Tracker where the first time I'm lynched I survive, but the mafia learns my identity, and if they still want to lynch me I still, at least, survive until the next day and they have to lynch me again.

[eagerSnake]

no time to share the message tonight, gotta go pass out and get up early

what do you all think of the general idea of giving a player a list of names and say "1 of these is scum" (but none of us on it, would likely put the other 2 from siblinghood on it)

who would you think I should have the message sent to?

What if we just confuse the shit out of town? Send the message to a vocal and controversial player (like Vedith). State a random player like eagerSnake is town. Also state something like that there is only one anti-town faction. Also tell them there is one protective role in the game.

This is what the player thinks: 'It's a message form the mod without anything else backing it.' so of course they will talk about it in the thread, this will only create discussion (that has nothing to do with anything real) which we have more knowledge of and will send town in wrong directions. just a thought.

[eagerSnake]

I mean, can you imagine a player like Vedith coming out and saying something like "I received information that eagerSnake is town, there is only one anti-town faction, and there is one protective role in the game." and what happens after that lol

[eagerSnake]

right. I wasn't saying me in particular, if you read my post again I said someone and just put my name for example. maybe add a couple of the other things for them to talk about like "there is one protective role in the game. there is only one anti-town faction." idk i think it would just give them more (redundant) stuff to talk about

[eagerSnake]

Then say that someone (not one of us) is town, and say that there is one anti-town faction and one protective role or something I'm really just bouncing my ideas and u can use whatever u want or none of it

[eagerSnake]

I actually got.this idea from. Game I played with vedith, grandest idea mafia, where he was jester and claimed receiving all this info I stated, and we ended up lynching him for it

[eagerSnake]

@MOD: WHAT IS THE FORMAT IN WHICH A TARGET WOULD RECEIVE OUR ANONYMOUS MESSAGE?

[eagerSnake]

He should. I would think it falls under "theoretical action result ."

[eagerSnake]

Do you earn money if you are on your own lynch?

[eagerSnake]

no snake because if you die you get nothin

Well if I'm on the same page as everyone don't we still get to spend money when we're dead? So if we get paid on any lynches we're on and we're on our own lynch... oh who cares

[eagerSnake]

Did you guys notice the vote count flavor is important yet

[eagerSnake]

putting this here

Spoiler: info

Leaders of the Defenders of Ttyll wrote:
"The Defenders of Ttyll are not as old as one might think; in fact, the Defenders have only had 3 different people lead them during the time it has existed!"

Aerth and 'Primitive' Humans wrote:
"The term 'primitive' humans is used to refer the race of humans that existed on the old Earth before they were forced to move to Aerth (due to the destruction of Earth by weapons of mass destruction). The race of humans that lived on Earth before the 1st Contact were referred to as such because they were far behind in many areas, such as space travel. When these humans migrated to Aerth, the scientific knowledge of the race increased drastically and the human race is no longer referred to as primitive. Only the humans who lived before the event are referred to as primitive."

Defenders of Ttyll Headquarters wrote:
"The Defenders of Ttyll Headquarters is located on a planet named after the supposed deity of Ttyll (whom the people in Agosten do not believe in). The HQ is a huge fortress with about 63 levels of security making it very tough to penetrate without being an insider. Nonetheless, the HQ can be breached with extraordinary amounts of determination, knowledge, and weaponry."

Ttyll Faith wrote:
"It is told that a deity created Ttyll, but no one has been able to prove or disprove the legend. Nonetheless, the majority of people in Ttyll believe in the legend to some extent. A great many of the non-believers can be found on Agosten."

Ttyll Government wrote:
"There are many different governments that exist in Ttyll on each planet: monarchies, republics, democracies, dictatorships, and several others. Despite this variety, the realm as a whole is a constitutional oligarchy ran primarily by the Defenders of Ttyll and a few other important people."

Ttyll Social Structure - Pt 1 wrote:
"At the top of the social ladder are the Defenders of Ttyll who defend the realm against threats and contribute a lot to Ttyll's government."

Ttyll Social Structure - Pt 2 wrote:
"While Ttyll possesses a social ladder, there are only small gap between the lower, middle, and upper classes. Only the Defenders of Ttyll (at the top of the order) have a huge gap between them and the upper classes."

Karo Ttyll - Oceans wrote:
"Karo Ttyll possesses only a single ocean that engulfs about a third of the planet. Due to a severe shortage of other natural water sources, Karo tends to import a lot of water from other planets such as Aerth."

Ttyll - Day and Night wrote:
"Days are much longer in most planets in Ttyll than in real life. In addition, the amount of day time fluctuates more than in real life as the seasons pass by."

Spoiler: Arnold Fritz - Role PM Show
Welcome, BTD6_Maker, to Ttyll Mafia!
You are Arnold Fritz!

While you have never considered yourself as good at anything, it seems that the Defenders of Ttyll do. In fact, they seem to see so much potential in you that they bestowed the title upon you too! Maybe you are good at something!

Abilities:
Voice of the Defenders - While you possess no special abilities, you can still vote during the day phases of each cycle!
{REDACTED}
Income: You gain T$1 each cycle.
Effectively, you are Ttyll Defenders Civilian
Win: You win when all threats to the Ttyll Defenders are eliminated and at least 1 Ttyll Defender remains!

To confirm, please pm me your flavor name, alignment, and effective role. Don't forget to also post during pre-game too.


As Zzykka enters the Defenders' conference room once more, the other Defenders become quiet and wait for Zzykka to speak. "I apologize for having to leave the conference room, but I had to conduct some research on our current predicament, and I needed a quiet place to study. Have we reached a concensus yet?" states Zzykka as he sits down in his seat at the head of the table. "Huh? What do you mean, a concensus?" states one of the Defenders in a perplexed voice. "You sleep and drink too much it seems. Security footage has shown that there is at least one traitor amongst us, and you were supposed to determine that traitor!" shouts Zzykka in a loud voice. The Defender yawns a bit and then shuts his eyes.

"Sometimes I question why we ever promoted him, " Zzykka thinks to himself, "Well, I just hope this incident isn't what I think it is..." Deep in thought, Zzykka's stream of thought is interrupted by a sudden commotion in the room. "I gave them plenty of time to figure it out... What are they arguing about now?" wonders Zzykka. After a few minutes, the commotions dies down, and Zzykka turns his focus back to the current challenge.

"So, in a somewhat close vote of 9-3-2-1 with 2 abstentions, we have decided that Defender BTD6_Maker is guilty of treason of the highest order, " responds Kent Osu, a former military veteran and the Defenders' current secretary, "It should be noted that I elected not to take part in any of the voting or discussion that took place. I simply kept track of votes and noted what was stated." "Very well, BTD6_Maker, I hereby discharge you from service with the Defenders of Ttyll and charge you with treason, " quietly states Zzykka. Zzykka proceeds to blow a whistle and summons several guards to arrest BTD6_Maker. As soon as BTD6_Maker is gone, another guard staggers in and collapses as soon as she reaches the door. As Zzykka walks over to the guard, he notes the similarities between this guard and the guard that carried the earlier message. Sure enough, Zzykka spots another camera. "Now, why do we get a message this late in the day?" wonders Zzykka to himself.

Zzykka sets the camera in the middle of the table and plays it. This time, a red scroll with a big 'X' on it appears. As the video proceeds, a voice begins speaking, "Congratulations Defenders of Ttyll on arresting one of your own. Did your leader truly not know that BTD6_Maker was Arnold Fritz, one of the most humble people in all of Ttyll? And yet, for some reason, you suspect him, of all people, to be a traitor. Well, until next time, bye! Mwahahaha!" The message ends, and Zzykka's face has turned a very dark shade of red. "I guess that the best thing we can do is try again tomorrow... Don't let them win; find the traitors for the good of Ttyll!" says Zzykka as he leaves for the night. The rest of the Defenders also leave to return to their homes for the night.

[eagerSnake]

drealmerz I am editing your message; will have the edited version shortly.

[eagerSnake]

Greetings, fellow Defender of Ttyll, much has happened just in the short time since

you were summoned

we summoned you for the conference. Our operatives work tirelessly to secure stability throughout the realm by weeding out those who would bring forth its downfall and

bringing

put them to justice. At an increasingly rapid pace, fear, lies, and distrust

are being sewn

circulate throughout the realm.

True

[Real/Correct] information comes at the highest of costs: lives. So, heed these words, know that they came at a cost, and do with them what you think is best for the realm of Ttyll:
We are sure, that among this list lies at least one enemy of Ttyll:

Vedith
Aeronaut
texcat
BulletNLynchproof
Gamma Emerald
PeregrineV
DiamondSentinel
Mirhawk
Vaxkiller

[eagerSnake]

Also, think the list could be shorter. I would simply say, "Oh you got a list of half the players and you're sure at least one of them is scum? Well, I'd say the same thing about a list of the rest of the players, or any random list of 9 players for that matter."

[eagerSnake]

Okay well, we can't send it to dead players, and we are at about 750 characters.

Aside from the messages I suggested earlier, I don't have any other ideas I would consider.

[eagerSnake]

@MOD: WHAT IS THE FORMAT IN WHICH A TARGET WOULD RECEIVE OUR ANONYMOUS MESSAGE?

I think this may have been missed

[eagerSnake]

So secretive..

Hmm.. how are we going to find out what the message says or its format..

[eagerSnake]

Yeah from his responses I would account for anything he might even make new flavor for each message like one anon msg might be "you receive a rogue signal" the next might be "you find a note" "you receive an anon msg" etc.. there's no way to know for sure

also please make sure to put "since we summoned you" rather than "since you were summoned" it makes it a much stronger statement as the subject is performing the verb, and it is more convincing that this message is indeed coming from a defender, "since you were summoned" reads more passive and implies less power for the message sender

[eagerSnake]

I'm not completely useless. Just to the town.

[eagerSnake]

ppl are going to be coming after you tomorrow, but I feel like you know that / can handle yourself

ehhh...if we just don't speed lynch GWS, which I'm hopping on that wagon as soon as the day opens because...YAHHHH THAT WAS SO ANTI-TOWN OMG!!

Yeah this is a bad setup to bus in because the money thing some people are more willing to jump on a wagon without thinking twice

Also, I doubt ppl will be coming after me too bad. Everything I said has been true and, what helps more, is that I have townies defending me and scum attacking me

[eagerSnake]

I'm not bussing whatsoever. I will more likely just ignore anything about you guys being scum lol you like how I dodged the WQ subject?

[eagerSnake]

I heard something about siblings, but I never read the details in the main thread

what's the lowdown on the sibling hood?

[eagerSnake]

Honestly, derphammers don't usually catch too much heat

[eagerSnake]

What do you think about removing Vediths name and sending it to him?

[eagerSnake]

Beep boop. It appears that the singular verb "comes" does not agree with the plural compound subject "The Citizenry and true information." Consider changing the verb to the plural form. (come)

The word "true" is often overused. Consider using a more specific synonym to improve the sharpness of your writing. (Real, accurate, actual)

"At an increasingly rapid pace, fear, lies, and distrust are being sewn throughout the ranks of The Leadership, The Defenders, and The Citizenry and true information comes at the highest of costs: lives."
This sentence appears to be written in the passive voice. Consider writing in the active voice.
Passive voice is not a grammatical error, but a style choice. In general, active voice is the preferred style of most readers. With the active voice, the subject performs the action. This style can provide more clarity, brevity, responsibility, or certainty than passive voice. If the active voice makes sense, use it.

It appears that "that within this list lies at least on enemy of Ttyll" may be a restrictrictive clause. Consider removing the comma.

[eagerSnake]

At an increasingly rapid pace, fear, lies, and distrust

are being sewn

throughout the ranks of

The Leadership, The Defenders, and The Citizenry and true information

comes at the highest of costs: lives.

Scratch the part on changing comes to come as I just noticed that is not the error here. I just don't like this sentence the way it is, it has a run-on feel and is in the passive voice. "are being sewn"... are being sewn by who?

You could put a semi-colon after Citizenry and delete the word "and" and it would read:

At an increasingly rapid pace, fear, lies, and distrust are being sewn throughout the ranks of The Leadership, The Defenders, and The Citizenry

;

true information comes at the highest of costs: lives.

It's still a passive sentence, though. i.e. "are being sewn"... by who?

Just nit picking lol good work though

[eagerSnake]

BTW I think Gamma is a PR (or scum)

[eagerSnake]

Will know for sure after tonight since I'm tracking him

[eagerSnake]

I have no idea where to send it. You would have a better idea on that than me. Use your best judgment.

[eagerSnake]

I don't think they would expect all of us to be in the same planet lol

[eagerSnake]

Share please. Holidays have had me run dry everyone's so busy lol

[eagerSnake]

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Share please. Holidays have had me run dry everyone's so busy lol

Dude its crazy right?

Are you familiar with the metal gear saga?
asking because of your name

Yeah but that's not where I got my name

[eagerSnake]

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Share please. Holidays have had me run dry everyone's so busy lol

Dude its crazy right?

Are you familiar with the metal gear saga?
asking because of your name

Yeah but that's not where I got my name

Ahhh ok.
Mind sharing what inspired it?

A long time ago I was creating an account for something and it automatically generated "suggestions" and the suggestion was eagerSnake and I rolled with it

[eagerSnake]

The name stuck and has been with me ever since

[eagerSnake]

just had to let you guys know I finally got some sticky icky and that my fingertips are sticking to everything I touch and that my lungs had a premature *censored* just looking at the stuff

[eagerSnake]

Lol was that bad? I havent been scum often

I was not happy with you claiming at L-3 after I stuck my neck out hard defending you and putting them counter wagon to L-1 nor the fact you keep coming after me because if I were scum and you were town I would've pushed your wagon I really had to push myself not to bus you since you were bussing me

[eagerSnake]

Oh well though, we'll be alright. I think we should strongman ABR and go after Vedith for not guarding him

[eagerSnake]

Nah he was yelling for Aero to be hammered because he wasn't claiming but yeah what is done is done.

[eagerSnake]

I literally had to convince them that you (who I knew was scum) was more likely town than Aero (who I knew was town). Meanwhile, you are voting me LOL

[eagerSnake]

Yeah unfortunately I had no choice because without my support Wisdom was going to push the lynch onto Frank, or at least get him to claim. I didn't want either of those happening so I had to take action.

[eagerSnake]

I can quote my result PM here right?

[eagerSnake]

I won't because I'll crush you after that OMGYS response to any questioning

[eagerSnake]

Can we argue about it in here? I'm just in an arguing mood today I think too much testosterone pumping haven't gone to gym yet want to HULK SMASH

[eagerSnake]

Plus your suspicions of ABR and Frank are super scummy!

[eagerSnake]

I could believe that I guess

[eagerSnake]

Yeah my tracker result on Gamma said:

"Tracker Nothing wrote:

Processing the results of your camera film, you detect no movement.

Gamma was not seen targeting anyone.

"

What was your result Frank?

[eagerSnake]

ABR isn't going to get lynched tomorrow and we can't have him around

That's how I feel, and I feel like it would be a kill any scum would make and couldn't be traced back to anyone. Additionally, Vedith will be under heat for not guarding him.

[eagerSnake]

Yeah we all see how well following your plans worked when they broke down the note you gave them without even changing the order of the player list and called all 4 of us out for it

[eagerSnake]

Talk about SHORT SIGHTED

[eagerSnake]

I honestly don't know what you're going on about they hardly scumread me they just pressure me to be active.

Only thing they scumread me on is an association to Frank because he kept calling me scum without trying to lynch me.

[eagerSnake]

Hell, I have Gamma almost ready to sheep me on this Agosten thing

[eagerSnake]

Btw since we can share role PMS here is mine:

Spoiler: eagerSnake Role PM

Welcome,

eagerSnake

, to Ttyll Mafia!
You are

TT-YLL Prototype

!

An early prototype of a line of robots from a certain brilliant inventor, you managed to gain a will of your own. The original blueprints for the TT-YLL robots included a powerful cloaking mechanism and high resolution camera. While these elements were later removed due to their potential for evil deeds, you managed to use the cloaking device to avoid your creator.

As time went by, the cloaking device became stronger until it could finally be used to impersonate other people. The Defenders of Ttyll, unaware of the true identity, mistake you for the following person you are impersonating:

Fakeclaim Flavor

You are

Laura Pine

!

A tough member of the Mavra race, you perservered through many hardships on Agosten as you attempted to convince others of the existence of a deity. Many times, the atheistic people of Agosten attempted to get rid of you; however, they never succeeded as you were always one step ahead of then. In addition to being a missionary, you were a skilled tracker and could easily trace where another person went; this skill helped save your life on numerous occassions. Your effort was rewarded by being promoted to the rank of Defender of Ttyll.

Laura Pine had actually died at the hands of the Anarchist Leader who had murdered her when she attempted to ruin his plans. Nonetheless, you were found by the Anarchist Leader just days before the incident and was able to successfully masquerade as her for a very long time.

Abilities:

• Seeds of Anarchy
  (Active Factional Ability; Redacted) - Each night, one player in your faction may choose to attempt to create chaos amongst the Ttyll Defenders by sending an anonymous message to another player. This message may have a maximum of 999 characters, but be aware that some factors may increase the character limit.
  
• Operation Anarchy
  (Active Factional Ability) - Your mission depends on your ability to remove those who pose a threat to you; each night, one player in your faction may choose to attempt to destroy order by killing another player.
  
• Hidden in Plain Sight
  (Passive Factional Ability; Redacted) - As important as anarchy is to you and your fellow anarchists, a small amount of order and organization is required to ensure the goal succeeds. As a result, you and your fellow anarchists share a PT which you will receive the link to in a separate pm. Barring other factors, your factional PT is only open during the night.
  The name of your factional PT is "Ttyll: HIPS Anarchists".
  
  
• Mock Identities
  (Passive Factional Knowledge; Redacted) -
  Be VERY careful where you post private information!
  During the Setup/Design Phase, every player selected a planet that they generally resided in during times of peace. Players have been grouped into neighborhoods depending on what they chose, and these neighborhoods are
  independent
  of roles and alignments.
  
• Cloaking Device - Using your powerful cloaking device, you are able to remder yourself completely invisible and escape the lynch if things gets dire. Unfortunately, rendering yourself completely invisible heavily drains the power of the cloaking device; if you use it for too long it will crack. As a result, the first time you are lynched during the day, you will survive the lynch; HOWEVER, at the start of the next cycle's Day phase, you will be mod-confirmed as being aligned with the Anarchists.
  
• Fakeclaim Ability

  One Step Ahead (Fakeclaim Ability) - You are always one step ahead pf your pursuer. Should you be lynched during the day, you will evade the lynch and survive. Unfortunately, there are spies everywhere; as a result, the Anarchists will be informed of your full role at the start of the next cycle's day phase.
  
  
• High Resolution Spying - Using the convenient high resolution camera you possess, you are able to spy on others and see who they targeted during the night.
  
• Fakeclaim Ability

  Skilled Tracker (Fakeclaim Ability) - You have an uncanny and hined ability to retrace the steps of another person. Each night, you may target a player to learn who they targeted that night.
  
  
• Fakeclaiming
  (Redacted) - Throughout your role pm, you have been provided flavor and abilities to fakeclaim with. It is highly recommended that you utilize these provided fakeclaims; claim your flavor name at your own peril!
  
• Affiliation
  (Redacted) - You associate yourself with the planet of Aerth; you can talk to your fellow associates here.
  
• Income:
  You gain T$4 each cycle.
  
• Effectively, you are Anarchists 1-Shot Modified Lynchproof Tracker
  
• Win:
  You win when the Anarchists can no longer be stopped.

To confirm, please pm me your flavor name, alignment, and effective role. Don't forget to also post during pre-game too.

[eagerSnake]

Even my Fakeclaim Flavor makes it look like the non-believers on Agosten are scum LOL

[eagerSnake]

"you are clearly a soldier on the field trying to make tactical command decisions"

Are you trying to imply we are just your soldiers and you're our commander here?

[eagerSnake]

Oh I kind of got the feeling Rach is just active lurking but is actually keeping up with the game

[eagerSnake]

Yeah. EVERYONE has to agree with the kill choice so if you don't agree great let's talk about it but trying to force it on us and calling us bad is NOT the way to handle things.

[eagerSnake]

I have PV as a backup SR though whereas GWS's claim makes it a little more difficult

[eagerSnake]

Basically, PV's ISO is really empty and subpar and I think we could get him mislynched if we had to. Do you think it would be difficult to lynch him?

[eagerSnake]

I understand the ABR thing basically we shouldn't kill him because

A) drealmerz would have to use his Strongman kill on him, and if ABR self-watches that would reveal him to ABR, who could potentially send a message to someone revealing that result. drealmerz is town read by many players and is likely to make it deep if he doesn't get caught like that.

B) Wisdom might push for ABR and Wisdom is pretty good at leading wagons on people by spamming the thread and drowning out any other discussion.

[eagerSnake]

there are like 6 others much more lynchable at least! plus the 3 of you

Like who? Here's some of how I feel about the players: [Top = don't want to push/lynch, bottom = would have no problem pushing/lynching]

6. eager - is me and alive puts me closer to my wincon, has tracking ability and can survive 1 lynch but is revealed the following day as scum
13. Frank - is on my team and alive puts me closer to my wincon, has flavor cop ability and is 1-shot bulletproof
1. dreal - is on my team and alive puts me closer to my wincon, has a 1-shot strongman ability
17. White Queens - is on my team and alive puts me closer to my wincon, already used 1-shot ninja ability

5. Wisdom - probably a mason? if not, is still town read by many.

2. Vedith - claimed bodyguard

10. Albert - watcher/voyeur - much better player than I think you give him credit for - difficult lynch IMO and would deff need support of some heavily town read players

11. Gale - the OSV claim will make it a little more difficult to lynch him but it is doable as he doesn't do well when getting pressured

9. Gamma - possibly lynchable - would have to convince some townies that he is a ninja

12. PeregrineV - empty subpar ISO could be interpreted as pushing LHF but imo is an easy push (say he's not active enough and you want to push him, and if he doesn't get more active say that's not how you think town would respond [much like drealz argued at end of D2 about Aero])

15. Mirhawk - has posted quite a bit, but hasn't had much of a presence or an effect on the game (he was even on the unsuccessful Frank wagon)

16. Vaxkiller - same as with mirhawk. plenty of posts but not much of a presence. is scum read by a couple players. this one is not too intimidating to me, either. I could make a push on him

7. texcat - possibly lynchable basically same as mirhawk and vax

[eagerSnake]

hey frank rach and mara can u all make lists like mine

[eagerSnake]

I'm just trying to figure out who we all uniformly have as scum reads so I know where to coordinate a lynch in the event one of us become a viable wagon and/or the ABR wagon falls through

[eagerSnake]

If Frank flips that pretty much exposes me, though.

[eagerSnake]

Who do we know for sure is not a mason?

[eagerSnake]

EBWOP: What do we know about the masons?

[eagerSnake]

I don't think Vax is mason.. look at BNL's posts about Vax

By my current notes, Diamond, Gale, and one of BTD/Vax are probably the scum on Wisdom's early wagon, with Eager as scum off the wagon. This means that Wisdom is probably town, and I'm townreading drealmer as well.

I don't think DS Gale BTD or Vax would be mason based on this post (this was basically BNL's first post of the game).

Wisdom could be mason.

His next good post was

I've finished catching up, and I have some good reads.

Drealmer, Wisdom, Gamma, Vedith are town, and BTD6 is also likely town.

I'm scumreading DS; Gale and Vax may also be scum but need to double check.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

This is another thing that makes me think Gale and Vax aren't part of the masonry. Wisdom, Gamma, and Vedith all were town reads here and could be masons.

PeregrineV, why aren't you voting?

Udpated reads incoming

Not sure if he would say this to a mason buddy. His next good post is

So what's changed:

BTD6_maker: Initially I thought 679 was town, but I've talked to my neighbours about it and now agree that it isn't. And I really didn't like his push on ABR; the main argument he's using is that ABR is worse than him, but he doesn't seem to actually think ABR is scum, just annoyed at how people are voting him instead of ABR. He wants people to unvote him, rather than convince people that ABR is scum.

Rereading, DS/Gale may be scumbuddies. ISO Diamond, just look at how he responds to Wisdom's and Gale's attacks. I'm also scumreading them both independently of each other, will explain later. Also, if I'm right about this, then Mirhawk is probably town.

Aeronaut's catchup looks town.

I didn't like some of Vaxkiller's posts, but seemingly that's me only.

So he chainsaw defends ABR here, not sure if ABR could be a mason watcher/voyeur though, seems really strong especially since he can send messages from the grave. He calls Gale scum again so I'm not thinking Gale is a mason. He says "if I'm right about this, then Mirhawk is probably town" the "if I'm right about this" might have just been a cover for a crumb here so Mirhawk could be a mason though not sure there. He again says he doesn't like vax's posts so I'm not thinking Vax is a mason.

A few posts about texcat:

??? Since when did texcat lie?

Can someone help me summarise what texcat said about her non-planet neighbourhood being all town? I didn't quite understand what happened.

I guess I'll explain why I have a scumread on Gale (independent of DS):

Vote in 250 seemed opportunistic

I don't like Gale's lack of confidence, as shown in 498. From what I've played with him, Gale is usually quite a confident person, and tunnels a lot. Which isn't really present here. Gale stopped talking much about DS in 565.

I also didn't like his vote switch to Texcat, he really made only one point against texcat. It's too... abrupt for my liking.

He asks PV why he's not voting again

Peregrine, why aren't you voting?

Another thing involving texcat

So Vedith, you think texcat is scum, correct?

Then why are you throwing shade in Drealmer here?

Not sure but it looks like texcat could be in the masonry. Then another post about Vax

Feeling a lot better about Vax now.

Still doesn't look like BNL

knew

Vax was town to me. His later reasoning is

I liked his push on Vedith

For the love of God, please don't lynch anyone without my supervision.

OK, this feels town.

I'm not sure still about Vax. He scum reads him, but then the reasons he town reads him looks like he didn't actually scum read him to begin with.

His next post is

I guess it's time to get onto a wagon with traction, snake wagon isn't happening, and besides, I think I'll give him the chance to town up.

UNVOTE: eagerSnake[/vote]

I like both the BTD6 and Vedith lynches, and maybe also Gale Wing Srock. I would really HATE a Wisdom lynch, and I'm not really confident on DS anymore. Will reread to see who I like best.

He says he would really hate a wisdom lynch here so Wisdom still looks like a possible mason. And later

Sorry guys, not lynching Wisdom.

VOTE: BTD6

I think Wisdom is town, but I'm also townreading Vax, Drealmer, Abr and Gamma.

There HAS to be scum on the wagon. WQ/DS contains at least one scum, possibly two.

Vax gets a town read here, so does Gamma and ABR. GE is possibly a mason, for some reason I keep thinking he is a PR but when I tracked him he went nowhere so maybe mason also was town read by BNL.

Then there's about 4 more posts scoffing at the Wisdom wagon and voting the counterwagon.

And his last post is

OK caught up, I've nothing much to say, except that I don't quite get why Vax end of day posts are scummy?

I mean I guess I could see his scum read on Vax as just a cover for the masonry and then decided to town read him later but really I'm not sure about Vax at this point.

Ugh.. that didn't narrow it down too much.

[eagerSnake]

I just try to figure this out in case I need to fake a guilty on someone I need to make sure they aren't a mason first or I'd be outed immediately

[eagerSnake]

BNL was one of the masons that is why we know that there ARE masons, pretty sure Wis is the other, but not positive on that. Generally it is only 2 Masons, though I was in a game recently that had 3 of us as Masons, but it also had 42 players and was an extremely weird role madness game.

Oh wow I'm used to games of this size having up to 4 in the masonry, usually 3 though. 2 masons in a game this size is insignificant.

[eagerSnake]

I'm going to assume 3

[eagerSnake]

Yeah I just think there was 3 based on everything

And I think the 2nd and 3rd are wisdom and either Texcat or Mirhawk

If not Wisdom then Gamma and either Tex or Mirhawk

This is based on VC analysis none of Gamma Tex Mir or Wis have voted each other and typically are voting for the same person with the exception of Gamma and Wisdom where Wisdom and Gamma cannot be Mason partners based on content

Spoiler: D1 VC history

Dreal : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Vedith : Frank --> White Queens --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> BTD6_Maker
BTD6_Maker : Wisdom --> (Null) --> Albert --> Gale --> (Null) --> Vedith
Aeronaut : BTD6_Maker

Wisdom : Diamond --> White Queens --> Diamond --> Albert --> BTD6_Maker --> Eager --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker

Eager : Diamond --> (Null)

Texcat : BTD6_Maker

Bullet : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> Gale --> Eager --> (Null) --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker

Gamma : BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Wisdom --> Gale

Albert : Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Gale : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> Diamond --> BTD6_Maker
Frank : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Vedith
Diamond : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Gale --> Wisdom

Mirhawk : BTD6_Maker

Vaxkiller : Wisdom --> Vedith --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Wisdom

Spoiler: D2 VC History

Dreal : White Queens --> Wisdom --> (Null) --> White Queens --> Gale --> Gale --> Wisdom --> Wisdom --> Aeronaut
Vedith : Gale --> Eager --> Vaxkiller --> Gale --> Aeronaut --> Frank
Aeronaut : White Queens --> Texcat --> Gamma --> (Null) --> Albert --> (Null)

Wisdom : White Queens --> Gamma --> White Queens --> Gamma --> Eager --> Frank --> Gale --> Frank --> Aeronaut --> Frank --> Aeronaut --> Frank

Eager : White Queens --> Aeronaut

Texcat : Eager --> (Null) --> Gale --> Frank

Gamma : White Queens --> Gale --> Wisdom --> Frank --> Vedith --> Eager --> (Null) --> Gale --> Vedith --> White Queens --> (Null) --> Frank --> Aeronaut --> (Null) --> Aeronaut

Albert : White Queens --> Gale -> White Queens --> Vedith --> Gale --> Aeronaut
Gale : Texcat --> Gamma --> Gamma --> Eager --> (Null) --> White Queens --> (Null) --> Texcat --> (Null) --> Albert --> (Null) --> Aeronaut
Frank : Wisdom --> Eager --> Aeronaut

Mirhawk : White Queens --> (Null) --> Albert --> Frank

Vaxkiller : Wisdom --> White Queens --> (Null) --> Eager --> Gale --> (Null) --> Frank
White Queens : Gamma --> Gale --> Aeronaut
PeregrineV : Aeronaut

[eagerSnake]

Yeah so I think it's Wisdom and if there's 3 it's Mirhawk. IDK might do some fishing on Mirhawk tomorrow to confirm

[eagerSnake]

Yeah I'll probably try to join anything on ABR Tex or Vax D3

[eagerSnake]

Well if I were town I'd track PV

[eagerSnake]

Well if we all survive the next 2 lynches we win

[eagerSnake]

The way I see it is there is currently 13 alive. We will kill 1 tonight. So 12 alive and 7 to lynch. If we can get a mislynch it goes to 11 alive. We kill 1 and it goes to 10 alive 6 to lynch. If we get a mislynch there it goes to 9 alive and we kill 1 and it goes to 8 alive 5 to lynch. We can lynch me and I'll survive, we kill 1 and then it goes to 7 alive 4 to lynch with 4 scum alive.

[eagerSnake]

So we just survive 2 lynches and we win

[eagerSnake]

So basically, we could get a mislynch tomorrow, and then I could claim a tracker guilty on someone the next day and we win

[eagerSnake]

nah I'm not getting lynched unless I get bussed

[eagerSnake]

What do you guys think about not bussing tomorrow and getting a mislynch and then me claiming a guilty on someone like PV Tex or Vax the next day for the quick flawless scum win?

[eagerSnake]

If it's not going in the direction I want it to (if the lynch is steering towards one of us) I will try to deflect and guide it somewhere else

[eagerSnake]

Lol this guy

[eagerSnake]

We only really need 1 mislynch; I think we can manage that without bussing.

After that, I just fake my guilty and all it takes is 2 people to believe my claim (at least 2 people already do) and we win the game. We can lynch me the next day and we still win.

That's all we have to do. Survive tomorrow. That locks the game as the next day will be cake after I claim a guilty.

[eagerSnake]

Imagine this: We lynch ABR tomorrow. Then we kill anyone, doesn't matter who. Next day, I claim a guilty on texcat. Do you think Vedith will buy that texcat is the scum in the siblinghood after I claim a guilty on him? If so, we lynch texcat. We win.

[eagerSnake]

Ok well that is what I'm aiming for is a mislynch tomorrow and then I'm probably claiming a guilty on texcat the next day

[eagerSnake]

Like I did EOD yesterday?

[eagerSnake]

Funny that nobody said anything about eager defending frank, at least they haven't yet

I thought I made it as least obvious as possible that I was deflecting but when they review I'm sure they'll see the motivation behind it

Unless of course Frank can town up and win them over or suspicion is on someone else like ABR like you think it will

[eagerSnake]

Snakes plan sounds good. If i can manage to not die

I think you'll be fine..you weren't really anyone's top Sr more just a compromise if you look at what everything everyone was saying

[eagerSnake]

You just see him as obviously scum because you are biased by knowing he's scum. Look at the reasons people voted him. It's weak. It's compromise. Mirhawk was SRing ABR before switching to Frank because "his demeanor seeming fake and that thing with Eager that Wisdom said"

[eagerSnake]

Weak shit. Why do you think I dared to push Aero when it was shifting to Frank and go against Wisdom on it?

[eagerSnake]

He's talking about linking into a PT with item

[eagerSnake]

Yeah probably best not to link with anyone Imo as well, too many.things could go wrong

[eagerSnake]

Shouldn't be too bad of a kill... I just have this paranoia of a Backup Vigilante LOL but the is unlikely. Pretty much any scummer would kill GWS I guess so it can't be traced back to us however he was part of the Aero wagon so he mightve caught flak for that but overall not a bad kill

[eagerSnake]

Yeah well if we can just survive D3 I will be claiming a tracker guilty on Texcat D4 so keep that in mind as well

[eagerSnake]

@Mod:

Can you tell us more about the non-believers?

[eagerSnake]

That's who I would track as town and the lack of movement will explain away why I'm reluctant to vote them now

[eagerSnake]

You guys should have voted Wisdom and encouraged votes on him more.. yesterday was lylo for town due to cig kill and I had Gamma on the hook.. all you guys had to do was get one more townie to vote him

[eagerSnake]

Did you not know yesterday was lylo for town?

[eagerSnake]

I didn't over do it what I did was perfectly executed bro I got 1 mason to vote him and got him to replace out and call me town after 20 pages of me calling him scum. Dude that's EXACTLY what I was aiming for. All you guys had to do was vote him and 1 more idiot townie votes him and we would've won. But what you decide to do? Unvote him at a crucial moment because he replaced out. What does Mara decide to do? Defend him and call him undeniably town and votes me. Siickk.

[eagerSnake]

If you guys would've voted him I could've got ABR or someone to vote him too for easy win

[eagerSnake]

I messed up as well though. When the vig kill put us into LYLO I should've faked a guilty on Wisdom or texcat but I had already claimed my result before realizing vig meant lylo. Was hoping one of you would realize it meant lylo and claim a guilty on someone but I guess you didn't. I couldn't exactly say "hey were in lylo because vig kill" In the main thread lol

[eagerSnake]

If GWS wouldn't have claimed 1-Shot day 2 I would've known we were gonna be in lylo and would've already planned out faking a guilty.

GWSs 1-Shot gambit saved the game for town.

[eagerSnake]

We could've won yesterday if you would've fake claimed a guilty result on someone!!

[eagerSnake]

For real, drealmerz you should've claimed some bullshit guilty on Wisdom.. they would've for sure lynched the guilty to sort the claimant and the next day would've been 9 alive 4 scum and I would've just claimed scum to get myself lynched, killed another townie for 8 alive 4 scum

[eagerSnake]

@mod: What is revealed to the town the first day I'm lynched? What is revealed the following day?

[eagerSnake]

@mod ^^^^^^

[eagerSnake]

Yeah you should have. It was LYLO, but they didn't know it.

[eagerSnake]

A claimed guilty yesterday would've resulted in a scum win. It was the most optimal play. The only problem is

A) Like me, you didn't realize it was LYLO until too late.
Or
B) You're too chicken to fake a guilty, go against the grain of the town, and lead them into their destruction.

[eagerSnake]

So which was it lol

[eagerSnake]

Nah bro I know they would've lynched your guilty because I would've forced them to with eloquently worded imperfect information and falsehoods

I'd of been saying stuff like "you never lynch the claimant unless it's lylo. You lynch the guilty to sort the investigative claimant. This ain't lylo, there's no way, so we're lynching the guilty result."

I already had Gamma on the hook anyway. All it would've took is a vote from one of [Vedith, ABR, PV, texcat, Mirhawk]. If your claim could've convinced ONE OF them to vote Wis, game over. Scum wins.

Oh well though we missed our shit this time let's just not miss it next time

Remember we have the advantage of being one kill closer to lylo and town doesnt know it

That's a big advantage

[eagerSnake]

I was hoping Frank would come in and say "I copped Wisdom and he is Anarchist leader" but he wouldn't do anything at all ffs

[eagerSnake]

Or at least say he copped me and returned my Fakeclaim Flavor name. Something! Anything!!

[eagerSnake]

I knew ge was a pr D1 lol

[eagerSnake]

So basically if all they learn is that I'm an Anarchist I'm going to claim unlynchable rather than 1-Shot Lynchproof and tell them that it's a waste to keep trying to lynch me

[eagerSnake]

Math blade is Vedith replacement right? He is only one in Agosten with me.

[eagerSnake]

That means the rest of them all went to different planets... again..

[eagerSnake]

I was gonna buy the thing that shortens deadline 3 days but I don't think I have enough money since I wasn't on the lynch

[eagerSnake]

Mathblade is telling me in Agosten that he is 1-shot bulletproof and also kills the attacker if he successfully guards

He's a 1-shot bulletproof elite bodyguard
Not sure how much of it I believe but it does kind of seem like he's telling the truth

[eagerSnake]

so if we're killing mathblade you have to strongman him

[eagerSnake]

He is protecting ABR. He was going to protect me but I told him not to (in case I feel like claiming 1-Shot Bulletproof or something

[eagerSnake]

Texcat + WQ is who they think is scum and I'm planting seeds against Wisdom and PVs slot

Pretty sure they're telling the truth

[eagerSnake]

Yeah yesterday was lylo because vig shot another townie but oh well none of realized until too late. And yeah you're getting lynched tomorrow unless I decide to save you and get myself lynched. Haven't figured out which is better play yet

[eagerSnake]

So what is the play?

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake tracks texcat