Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Jackel98]

Flip a coin between you and Titus. You make me want to lynch you, Titus because Max was so charismatic and OMGUS.

[davesaz]

Titus, the deck rigging ability is not currently active.

[Transcend]

honestly tho i can only rig it to spades. i don't have any hearts or diamonds.

[davesaz]

Have we played before? If not, please listen to the people who have.

[davesaz]

You can't use the rig card to rig.

[Transcend]

Then I can only rig it back to clubs.

Sry.

[MariaR]

How do gov and venge even work together o-o

Would it like....Lynch him not work and then he venge shoots

[Jackel98]

I played Minecraft with you. Does that count?

[Titus]

honestly tho i can only rig it to spades. i don't have any hearts or diamonds.

Scum have already shot today. Right now, all Jackal is doing is sitting on his ass and threatening to vig town. We have no doctor here, and I am a dead woman if I claim.

Petit: Well shit.

[davesaz]

Gov is not active unless a jack is trump.

[MariaR]

OH I'M DUMB

I'm still curious on the outcome though...

[davesaz]

I'm hesitant to answer because some people don't like displays of logic but...
For it to be possible the other Jc would need to be trump, and then there would be no lynch so the vengeful would not activate.

[davesaz]

EBWOP no lynch if the gov was activated. (think it's optional...) So the choice would be between being lynched and venge, or no lynch.

[Transcend]

honestly all doctors should go on davesaz because he understands this setup infinitely more than i do and i'd be a lost cause without him lol

[MariaR]

Ahhh I see so vengeful only goes off if you're getting lynched and nothing can stop you like Gov okay thanks!

[Titus]

Yeah, well this is a rock in a hard place. Either I back off a consensus scumread or fuck the long term town over...that's shitty spot. Trans, your thoughts.

[Vecna]

Heres another question: Would a scum jackal really claim here and risk getting lynched tomorrow without being able to use vengefull? Or just accept hes caught and take out the most dangerous town for his teammembers?

[Vecna]

The way he plays this makes it even more likely that he's town imo.

UNVOTE: Jackel

[Titus]

Heres another question: Would a scum jackal really claim here and risk getting lynched tomorrow without being able to use vengefull? Or just accept hes caught and take out the most dangerous town for his teammembers?

That is the first decent point you made in awhile, although partially recycled from Maria.

UNVOTE: Jackal

VOTE: Dunnstral

He's been everywhere but here. I want to know why.

[Vecna]

Oh dont worry, ill keep towntelling and actually making sense harder than you can convince people that all my posts are terrible.

If in the end it does turn out youre town as well at least we'll have kept eachother sharp and on our toes.

[Fishythefish]

Jackal claimed vengeful a while ago - it's not like it was just when he was being lynched. And scum might well not have realised the problem with claiming - it's pretty hard to shift mindset to one where your role keeps changing. I'm pretty unconvinced by his sudden SR on Titus, looks like halfhearted scum near the noose to me.

Whether to lynch him today or not is tricky. Depends exactly how likely he is to be scum. Even quite likely scumbags are worth giving a vengeful shot - if they're better than 50% town, their shot is better than the average kill. I tend to think that, despite all our grand talk, lynches are little better than random. So I'd say we *should* be happy to lynch a scummy vengeful player. I want to sleep on that, though.

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

I'm sure there's a better lynch then jack even if he is scummy it's not like he's going anywhere I'd say it's fine to wait until he's non venge.

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

I have two ways of setup specing people into scum roles for this setup. At this point I don't think I'll reveal the who or why on that method of PoEing scum other than to say it works for me in the PyP X/Y open setup which works very similar to this one. It's by no means infallible but it does identify more likely candidates.

I find it interesting that none of the people I'd setup spec into one of the scum roles using method 1 are being wagoned. I haven't really looked at method 2 other than one person I'd normally identify for that role is acting pretty townie.

Pedit: @rb: you can be more idiotic if you try.

6 - rb - Town
9 - Creature - Nulltown
14 - Jackel98 - Nullscumlurker
26 - MariaR - Weak town
42 - Vedith - Scum
77 - kraska77 - Weak scum
3141592653 - Titus - Town
4 - MagnaofIllusion - Null leaning scum
4 - Transcend - Weak town
5 - gerryoat - Null leaning town
5 - Fishythefish - Null
11 - davesaz - Town
11 - Kison - Null leaning scum
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - Weak town
13 - Maxous - Null
17 - drealmerz7 - Undecided
17 - Drone - Null
2 - Vecna - Weak town
2 - Dunnstral - Null
2 - SpyreX - Null
12 - McMenno - Null leaning scum
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Weak town
12 - Vifam - Null leaning town

Some of the nulls have not said enough, others have posts but I haven't focused there enough to read.

DaveSav - im curious how these two posts have evolved so far. Any other reads that changed besides Maria and Jackel to a little extent? If so, why?

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I'm sure there's a better lynch then jack even if he is scummy it's not like he's going anywhere I'd say it's fine to wait until he's non venge.

Who?

[Vecna]

Oh, now the interesting questions are happening