Newbie 1766 - Game Over

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.3

the_end (2) - Friend Computer, rb
Friend Computer (2) - Aeronaut, Sofiel
ThinkBig (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, lucca261
rb (1) - Zekromaster
Sofiel (1) - the_end
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - ThinkBig

Not voting (0) -


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Monday, 2nd January 22.30. GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-02 22:30:00)).

Notes

Can you please put all votes on a new line, not inside a block of text. (I'll count them anyway but it's good practice and a few mods won't count them if they are not separated out.)

[Friend Computer]

FOS: ssbm

I suspect you read that the mafia have no daytalk in your own role pm. Did you read my post?

Seriously? There are CLEARLY SAMPLE PMS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

FOS: ssbm

I suspect you read that the mafia have no daytalk in your own role pm. Did you read my post?

Seriously? There are CLEARLY SAMPLE PMS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

but he CLEARLY READ IT FROM HIS OWN PM

Also finish catch up and comment on my ThinkBig exchange

[Zekromaster]

My impressions so far:

rb: Tending towards scum.
I haven't seen anything serious from him. Mostly just jokes, "lol random" comments and calling people townie and scum without reason. I sort of get the feeling he is trying to hide by shitposting so much (though this could just be his playing style). His comments suggest he wants an early lynch. I feel this is a scum move. As a scum he wouldn't care who gets lynched on Day 1 as long as someone gets lynched quickly so we can move on to Night one, where the scum can kill who they really want.

He's most likely just shitposting for the sake of it. While this is disruptive for the town, I don't think he's doing this just because he's scum. Or he could be shitposting so we think he's just shitposting and not accuse him of being scum, but I find this really hard.

Sofiel: Tending towards scum.
Based on his unvote of rb. I think he was a little too quick to jump off the rb wagon. I think maybe he voted for rb to begin with to hide that rb and him are scum partners and then panicked when a wagon started behind rb. Could be something else too but the unvote has stuck with me as being odd.

I found it suspicious too. Nothing much to say on this read, I'm pretty much of the same advice.

ssbm_Kyouko: Tending towards Town
He seems to be poking and voting people simply to get a rise out of them to figure out what their alignments are.

Idem

Friend_computer, zekromaster, Aeronaut: Tending towards scum
All three have confirmed participation but seem to be intentionally not posting. (Aeronaut claims he has exams). They may be scum because by staying quiet they're not drawing any attention to themselves, just waiting for someone to get lynched. It doesn't matter to scum who gets lynched (especially on Day 1) as long as its not them. They're content to let us talkative ones accuse and lynch each other.

While I cannot speak for Friend_Computer and Aeronaut, I myself was just really busy in these days, I'm counting on being able to post more now that I've got no school to think of.

ThinkBig: Neutral
I was going to say town, but he got quite defensive when ssbm voted him, especially his counter vote of ssbm in #71. My impression is neutral till I see more posts from him.

Nothing to say

Lucca261: Neutral
Mostly because he's scumhunting. His sheep voting on ThinkBig while having a null reading is odd. He went from "I hated ssbm vote. everything about it" in #90, to agreeing with him with a sheep vote in #96.

I don't know how much one can take Lucca's scumhunting as a sign of not being scum, and I find this kind of behaviour suspicious.


I'm limiting myself to commenting the_end's reads, as I don't have anything new to add to the game, for now.

[Zekromaster]

I'll probably have to
UNVOTE:
completely, for now.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What does Idem mean? "I don't even mind"?

Why would you unvote someone and not ask anyone else a direct question? Are you even trying to find scum? Do you have any reads of your own or are you just waiting for popular opinion to form so you can mold your reads to fit that?

VOTE: Zekromaster

[lucca261]

FOS: ssbm

I suspect you read that the mafia have no daytalk in your own role pm. Did you read my post?

Seriously? There are CLEARLY SAMPLE PMS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

You were voted last page? No comment on that?

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@zekrom, you seem to act like you know that End is town and is trying to buddy him. There's definitely more to comment than just this.

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waiting for think to return before I act more.

[lucca261]

forgot to say that this game has been a mystery. the only guy who is leaning something for me is rb leaning town and think scum. otherwise, big pile of nothing.

[rb]

FOS: ssbm

I suspect you read that the mafia have no daytalk in your own role pm. Did you read my post?

Seriously? There are CLEARLY SAMPLE PMS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

but he CLEARLY READ IT FROM HIS OWN PM

Also finish catch up and comment on my ThinkBig exchange

RVS is over you can make proper arguments now

[rb]

Lol the_end has like 6 scumreads and 2 nullreads.

Still scum

[rb]

I have a problem with post 97 - can anyone guess what it is?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have a problem with post 97 - can anyone guess what it is?

TMI

[rb]

It's just so very, very calculated

[Sofiel]

It's amazing how much emphasis is being put on one decision I made by the same couple of people. The emphasis just reads as opportunistic scum tbh & Zekro buddying with the_end on his post is a strange decision. the_end has been openly read as one of the scummier people and is at two votes lmao sooo????? if you were town why would you??
UNVOTE: Friend_Computer
VOTE: Zekromaster

Even though I've unvoted you, Friend I'm still watching you. I'm not seeing you as pro-town atm.

[rb]

It's amazing how much emphasis is being put on one decision I made by the same couple of people. The emphasis just reads as opportunistic scum tbh & Zekro buddying with the_end on his post is a strange decision. the_end has been openly read as one of the scummier people and is at two votes lmao sooo????? if you were town why would you??
UNVOTE: Friend_Computer
VOTE: Zekromaster

Even though I've unvoted you, Friend I'm still watching you. I'm not seeing you as pro-town atm.

that's actually townpoints for Zekro because if he's scum it's unlikely he'd start buddying one of the more scumread players in the game

[rb]

like if you're town and you have a townread then you have a townread. you don't do stuff as town based on what other players are read as, you play based on how YOU read players. if you're town and someone is scumread by a lot of people but you townread them, it's kind of your duty to point that out as a town player - maybe people are missing what you're missing and the reason that player looks like scum to most people is because there's scum on the wagon or scum are the ones attacking them.

you're contradicting yourself saying that Zekro is being opportunistic but also saying he's buddying one of the more scummy players in the game - that's the opposite of opportunistic right now

[Sofiel]

ahh man, I'm trying my best, but that does make a lot of sense. UNVOTE: Zekromaster

[rb]

*hugs sofiel*

i know dat feel

[rb]

but i just want to point out as well, it could still be a scum move by Zekro to look town - scum do 'townlike' things all the time because they want to look town. I think you need to assess what Zekro's motivation is. if the_end is town, it's potentially a good move by scum Zekro - he looks good for getting an accurate townread and not being on the mislynch wagon.

so if you think that Zekro's read on the_end is really inauthentic - you should keep your vote there. i didn't mean for you to unvote, i just didn't really agree with your reasoning for him being scum. but often newer players can't really explain their reads, but they 'feel' bad about a certain action. Zekro's actions made you feel weird, so i think you should keep your vote and not be discouraged by me shooting down your reasoning. there's a lot of ways Zekro could be scum making that play.

this is going into wifom territory and getting real circular, but if you feel Zekro is scummy just vote - that's also how town should play

[rb]

and yeah i realise i contradicted myself a bit, but that's the nature of mafia. anything town can do, scum can do - it's about WHY the player is doing it.

why do you think Zekro is buddying the_end?

[Zekromaster]

What does Idem mean? "I don't even mind"?

Why would you unvote someone and not ask anyone else a direct question? Are you even trying to find scum? Do you have any reads of your own or are you just waiting for popular opinion to form so you can mold your reads to fit that?

VOTE: Zekromaster

It's latin. I thought it was used in english too, it means "the same". I was referring to my read above.
Also, I'm just waiting for more information: I don't have any more information than you all, so until I got some reads of my own I prefer to stay "neutral".

It's amazing how much emphasis is being put on one decision I made by the same couple of people. The emphasis just reads as opportunistic scum tbh & Zekro buddying with the_end on his post is a strange decision. the_end has been openly read as one of the scummier people and is at two votes lmao sooo????? if you were town why would you??
UNVOTE: Friend_Computer
VOTE: Zekromaster

Even though I've unvoted you, Friend I'm still watching you. I'm not seeing you as pro-town atm.

His reads where the most complete ones. I actually pointed out when I found some of them wrong, that post is the major source of 'raw' information we have, so I used that as a reference.

[the_end]

Lol the_end has like 6 scumreads and 2 nullreads.
Still scum

5 scumreads, 1 townread and 2 nullreads. Admittedly scumread "heavy" but that's how I see it.

ahh man, I'm trying my best, but that does make a lot of sense. UNVOTE: Zekromaster

Hmmm, so first you unvote rb. Now quickly unvoted someone else because of what rb said. Also, from #113, you're pretty confident rb's scrumreads are correct.

Why do

YOU

think they're correct? Tell us what

YOU

think.

Also from #113, you seem agitated by players pointing out that misstep of yours. Why is that? Would you prefer if players forgot about it?

I may not get online this weekend. I'll probably only be able to check back on Monday. Merry Christmas everyone!

[ThinkBig]

V/LA until Tuesday due to the holidays. Lots going on this weekend.

[lucca261]

liking RB for town more and more.

@zekrom, if you had to bet the game on one player being scum, right now, who would you choose?
@sofiel, same question.
@friend, you got any real reasons to vote end right now or is the vote still random? because you fosed ssbm and rb, but instead of voting them, kept a random vote. why is that?
@ssbm, are you going to scumhunt at all?

i got a weird feeling about Sofiel's #113. I feel like he wanted to vote The_End, but didn't wanted to be the third vote on the wagon, so he voted Zekrom instead. The logic is weird. He thinks that pointing out his decision is opportunistic scum. But he didn't think I was scum for doing it. I feel like he was looking for an excuse for voting Zekrom.

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UNVOTE: Think

keeping voting Think right now is useless, since he is going to be V/LA.

i'll unvote and wait for the answers.

[Huntress]

*bump*