Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:09 am
I'm still convinced there is scum between desperado and Hans. Unless this is scum theatre, they are definitely not a team. Posting after work
In class so can't quote anything but of my 3 scum, you two have the weirdest interactions. It feels like you guys are talking about eachother but kind of dancing around and not really committing to trying to read eachother.In post 2144, Dunnstral wrote:And you? Where did you get the "Desperado and Dunn are a team" thing
I think that there is value to it, as is knowing the reads of anyone in the game because if they're town, maybe their towniness will reflect in their reads. I don't however see the value of pushing him for it when it's clear he either won't give a response that you find satisfactory, or he's given a response he deems satisfactory. Regardless of his alignment, I think based on his response to you and regfan (unless I'm mistaken in who interacted with who), desperado believes that he's answered your question and I don't believe that anyone else asking will change that.In post 2145, Superhans wrote:Ny and Dunnstral, can you see the value in knowing Desperados town reads? If so can you ask on my behalf.
LOL I don't know if I'm allowed to say this but alisae is active in other games so I'm assuming that he replaced cuz he doesn't like regfan having berated him for self hammering in a game we just played together. I thought he replaced because regfan replaced in. I'm gonna give that a 95% because he seemed invested into the game and randomly dropped out.In post 1833, davesaz wrote:Continuing on with looking at votes...
SAJ is on Realeo d1 and it gets to 4. Alisae switched to Desperado - why?
Alisae then goes to AH, starting off in wagon position 5.
D3 something happens that causes Alisae to replace out. Suspicion that it's thinly veiled but tactical
Note: look at what was happening...
nydushermain replaces Alisae and votes Regfan. I thought at the time, surely it would be obvious Regfan is IC, but on further examination the mod did not update the playerlist to indicate confirmed town so this looks more like a greeting. lots of back and forth and then a hammer.
Followup questions -- why did Alisae change the vote to Desperado? What were the circumstances leading up to Alisae replace out?
Let me help you break the wallIn post 2140, Superhans wrote:Who do you think is town? Y?
Please prefer to read iso than askingIn post 2011, Desperado wrote:Nydus is Alisae and I am the originator of "Alisae wouldn't call me out and push me as traitor as scum."In post 2009, Regfan wrote:You have made no mention of Nydus today and minimal mention of him yesterday.
You have made no real mention of Realeo today at all.
You have very little thoughts on Dunn out in the thread at the moment.
You have limited thoughts on Dave.
The only people I can agree you've elaborated somewhat into today is ThingBig & SuperHans.
Realeo has been town the entire game. I haven't wavered on this.
Dunn has been town the entire game. I haven't wavered on this.
Dave is town for the same reason Alisae is.
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I think it's NAI, as nydus said that lynching TB to a certain degree is a game solver.In post 2149, Desperado wrote:ThinkBig is convinced that me or Hans but not both is scum
Superhans is convinced that me or ThinkBig is scum but not both
Am I really the only person who can see this?
Who is the You in this?In post 2157, Realeo wrote:My current impression is that Desperado is having a protest action. "You townread ThinkBig for ignoring question? I'm going to ignore question as well. If you scumread me for ignoring question, you have to scumread me for ignoring TB as well."
It's not my hypothetical message so I haven't figured out the you.In post 2159, Desperado wrote:Who is the You in this?In post 2157, Realeo wrote:My current impression is that Desperado is having a protest action. "You townread ThinkBig for ignoring question? I'm going to ignore question as well. If you scumread me for ignoring question, you have to scumread me for ignoring TB as well."
I will. I've been extremely busy this week and am going back to school on Monday.@ThingBig - If you're town here you're going to need to make this game your top priority right now; there's a decent possibility you're getting lynched here today and if not today tomorrow. So if you're town you need to actually provide content and your thought process to actually show it to us.
I agree SuperHans being town. Actually, I townread SuperHans earlier than you. You can rest at that.In post 2166, Regfan wrote:@Realeo - What's your hesitation re; Nydus being town based around? I need to make sure you can see what I can about him before I die here given you two are my strongest town reads in the game. If you had to take two punts at the exact scum team at the moment what are you at? Also do you agree with SH being town now?
If his townread at TB is +3 on D2, does "I still townread TB" in D3 means +3 or now goes down to +2. If it's still +3, what makes him decided not to go to +2?
I thought the RQS was actually pretty important and it set the stage for a lot of my reads. This was one of the townier responses, particularly the last part.In post 43, Dunnstral wrote:Don't know of a favorite open setup, though I've come to dislike double scum setups. I think I'm 4 for 4 getting nightkilled as third party/scum in those
For roles... I'd like to be an innocent child once, but the type that gets to choose when they reveal, or one that reveals late. Getting revealed at the start is pretty lame and kind of drives people to not contribute
Town or Scum... I dunno. I always feel like I playreallywell as scum but as town it's fun to find someone I connect with and figure out that they're town
This is the other side of the Ali/Dave reads--I don't think Dunnscum would respond this way.In post 493, Dunnstral wrote:First things first: I'm voting desperado and if your theory has any validity and he's the traitor I'd have caught on as scum and not been voting him. Granted, I don't know much of your theory anyway.In post 492, Alisae wrote:Dunn - I can't read this shit. Gun to my head town?
Second: You realize scum can recruit their traitor: in 491 it seems like you're assuming there's a traitor for sure. Why is that?
He consistently pushes this narrative the entire day and it informs a lot of his understanding of the gamestate. It reads genuine.In post 720, Dunnstral wrote:So tb is likely town because the traitor would know who the scum team is and he went rather hard - unless he was bussing but that's pretty risky
Who were the ones saying desperado was a traitor again?
Like hereIn post 804, Dunnstral wrote:I don't know why people think Ah was bussing TB?
I thought he had good points there and went hard and I wouldn't be surprised if it had led to TB'S lynch. Though I still don't understand why everyone turned on AH
And hereIn post 1092, Dunnstral wrote:By the way, nobody can answer who's scum in tb is town. Nobody is even attempting to find scum. Even if tb is scum there's still another one you know
And hereIn post 1146, Dunnstral wrote:I'm glad regfan is getting people off of TB
Even though I didn't agree with his conclusions I connected with this post because if I could understand how, if I thought TB was town, everyone looked scummy at this point.In post 1301, Dunnstral wrote:The kop thing to me looks less about a dumbtell and more like he was trying to back out of his read that didn't make sense (after getting called out). Also, I think last time I saw him lurking/doing nothing like this he was scum. With that said, he got wagoned super fast/hard so that's a little suspicious, but there's only 2 mafia so it's not cause for concern I guess
I noted that while he was throwing shade on TB there, he'sstillvoting gamma which itself isn't a good look as he doesn't seem to care to move his vote to who he's talking about either
I think TB is town, albeit awkward, I think there is scum pushing him; I think Alisae looks bad but I can see that's not happening, davesaz looks worse, and kop looks bad. Desperado's recent posting has me tilting my head and I feel like I should consider superhans more closely for scum
So pretty much everyone is scummy or in my sights
This is not how I would expect scum to react to Kop's claim.In post 1375, Dunnstral wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure how much I buy kop's claim, this is also the second time today my lynch target has claimed a power role to avoid being lynched so I'm a bit more skeptical
Still, I guess night kills will resolve this as well? So:
VOTE: Davesaz
In post 1401, Dunnstral wrote:I was responding to what regfan was saying, wasn't assuming what scum would takeIn post 1397, Desperado wrote:@ Dunn: That would depend on how much power the scum took. You seem to be assuming that they didn't take away; why is that?
In post 1403, Dunnstral wrote:You serious desperado? I say for there to be 3 town prs scum would have had at LEAST 1 power of their own (which is what kop would have been assuming there)
The likely to only be 2 prs was responding to what regfan had said
This exchange with me felt really town at the time and looks even more so on a reread.In post 1407, Dunnstral wrote:No, I was talking about if he was town there - seeing gamma as goon cop shouldn't cause him concern because the only situation where he 100% can't be goon cop from his point of view is if scum didn't take any powers - which he can't assume. Scum would only need to take 1 power for that to not be a couunterclaim, which isn't unreasonable to assumeIn post 1406, Desperado wrote:If Kop is scum he doesn't need to assume anything.
Of the people who unvoted Kop because of the claim and then revoted because of your arguments in favor of his lynch, this was the least scummy.In post 1459, Dunnstral wrote:Actually, I've got thoughts now:
VOTE: Kop
Think gamma having claimed first so not being able to say he blocked there is a pretty good theory, this looks more like scum fakeclaiming with a lowish amount of prs
Not sure where these thoughts come from, looks like trying to confuse people with his iso rather than figuring things out...In post 1312, Kop wrote:VOTE: Davesaz
I don't think Dunstrall is scum on my wagon, regfan is confirmed town, if I had to choose scum on that wagon, Davesaz, Desperado or Superhans, it's within those 3.
@Kop why don't you think I'd be scum on your wagon? Why is it between Davesaz, Desperado, Superhans?
Two attempts?Thoughts on the two scum team guess that I asked?