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Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

In post 985, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Man, i get it that you want to not be shot by KT tonight but now scum.is going to target you tonight or N2.

~Jin~

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

this conjunction of posts is weird.

your first post is as if you believe ALISAE's claim but now you said you didn't believe it?

VOTE: Crystalline DAGGER

In post 1001, KainTepes wrote:

In post 985, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Man, i get it that you want to not be shot by KT tonight but now scum.is going to target you tonight or N2.

~Jin~

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

this conjunction of posts is weird.

your first post is as if you believe ALISAE's claim but now you said you didn't believe it?

VOTE: Crystalline DAGGER

Not to step on toes here but I don't think CD was saying they didn't believe the claim I think they're saying they don't understand VT claiming JK.

Nothing about those particular posts indicates a mixup in thought.

explain further if I'm Wrong KT and CD

In post 997, KainTepes wrote:

In post 996, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: bang

why? i kind of found his LAST POST OF THE DAY very towny

I want further clarification here but until then can we look at that final VC from yesterday.

Mala, Kop, KT and Aelin were still on Alisae at the end of the day. KT is confirmed Vigi and Aelin was Scum. We need to address the possibility of more Scum between Mala and Kop.

IV didn't vote but he also didn't Hammer when Alisae was at L-1 So I don't think he's scum...

Top Scum buser for me is Spade.

so here's where my vote is starting.

VOTE: Spade

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

Actually I had a thought just now and his claim makes sense and we should have realized he was either VT or Mafia.

In the case we know the following. KT is Vigi, Alisae is not JK, mafia have no reason to kill Alisae, KT will shoot Alisae if he's not lynched. Real JK would not JK a potential mafia trying to fake JK claim to not get shot.

KT's logic is sound. Alisae probably made the best play he could make given the situation.

That's why VT claims JK. Not the best reasoning but a decent Gambit for saving your own skin. Though it was really bad because a bad JK might have CC'd to ensure Alisae gets shot. Thankfully nobody claimed JK

At least the vig didn't shot the real JK
~GE

In post 1002, Hawk wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green

This sounds to me that CD did not believe the CLAIM,,

In post 1001, KainTepes wrote:

In post 985, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Man, i get it that you want to not be shot by KT tonight but now scum.is going to target you tonight or N2.

~Jin~

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

this conjunction of posts is weird.

your first post is as if you believe ALISAE's claim but now you said you didn't believe it?

VOTE: Crystalline DAGGER

You do realize ali flipped between these posts

yeah,, but explain what you mean by "Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green",, it's like you weren't expecting her to flip green

which means you didn't believe her claim becuase if you did then you won't be surprised she is green

I think he meant he would have SK suspicions
~GE

In post 986, Malakittens wrote:you are a dumbass if you think pointing our your crumb was the best way to get you out of the game

you fucking ruined the towns chances of winning

so

good job

This reaction looks fake tbh

there is no SK in this setup..........

KT I think what he's saying is most of the time VT doesn't claim JK especially in an open setup so a shot claimed JK flipping green usually means they flip JK and it's a bad shot by a vigi... But in this particular case this claim was scummy and an AtE to get you to not shoot....

In post 950, Alisae wrote:

In post 949, Malakittens wrote:oh

i wont be unvoting alisae

If Aelin flips scum you should be concerned.

CD this is more concerning. Agree with the fake reaction.

Wagon on Mala?

Yeah ISOing gives me no comfort
VOTE: Malakittens

In post 1015, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Yeah ISOing gives me no comfort
VOTE: Malakittens

Same. Mala and Spade's ISO's read very scummy when you read Aelin's too.

VOTE: Mala

In post 1015, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Yeah ISOing gives me no comfort
VOTE: Malakittens

Same. Mala and Spade's ISO's read very scummy when you read Aelin's too.

VOTE: Mala

Okay, fine,,

what I dont understand about Crystalline is that JK is also green (town), so why he think JK won't flip green?

but i dont mind wagon on malakit, VOTE: malakittens

In post 1018, KainTepes wrote:Okay, fine,,

what I dont understand about Crystalline is that JK is also green (town), so why he think JK won't flip green?

but i dont mind wagon on malakit, VOTE: malakittens

They're not saying that an actual JK wouldn't flip green but that if a Vigi shoots a claimed JK it's usually because the Vigi is sure that the JK claim is false meaning they should flip red. Makes very little sense to claim JK as VT or any other Town alignment unless you really are JK.

This just happens to be a really weird situation and Alisae took alot of unnecessary risk with that claim... I mean what happens if you believe him KT and shoot another one of your top Scum and then real JK jails someone else. Then two different townie could be dead and D2 might start with real JK CCing Alisae's claim... like it really is bad. Even if Alisae lives in no scenario do we not lynch him d2 if real JK CCS his claim...

Also before anyone else gets on Mala is L-2

In post 1001, KainTepes wrote:

In post 985, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Man, i get it that you want to not be shot by KT tonight but now scum.is going to target you tonight or N2.

~Jin~

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

this conjunction of posts is weird.

your first post is as if you believe ALISAE's claim but now you said you didn't believe it?

VOTE: Crystalline DAGGER

I was commenting on the fact that a vig shouldn't shoot a claimed JK just in case they are actually what they claim. Hawk's post about why Alisae mmight claim JK as VT made sense. If Alisae flipped JK then i would have questioned you but Alisae flipped VT so its just whatever at that point.

In post 1004, Hawk wrote:

In post 1000, Crystalline Dagger wrote:Normally i would think it was weird if you shot a claimed JK and they flipped green bit i have no idea why a VT would claim JK.

~Jin~

Actually I had a thought just now and his claim makes sense and we should have realized he was either VT or Mafia.

In the case we know the following. KT is Vigi, Alisae is not JK, mafia have no reason to kill Alisae, KT will shoot Alisae if he's not lynched. Real JK would not JK a potential mafia trying to fake JK claim to not get shot.

KT's logic is sound. Alisae probably made the best play he could make given the situation.

That's why VT claims JK. Not the best reasoning but a decent Gambit for saving your own skin. Though it was really bad because a bad JK might have CC'd to ensure Alisae gets shot. Thankfully nobody claimed JK

This was the post Hawk made that i talked about above.

^~Jin~^

yeah alisae was the best shot i could have made last night,, because no matter what we will lynch ALISAE day 2,, and it would have led to real JK claiming which is bad

In post 1023, KainTepes wrote:yeah alisae was the best shot i could have made last night,, because no matter what we will lynch ALISAE day 2,, and it would have led to real JK claiming which is bad

No argument there. Alisae's gambit as VT was incredibly bad. moreso than I originally thought. .