Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Pine]

Mercy,

malady

Camn!

This was an autocorrect error, but I don't hate it.

[Pine]

It's kind of my job

[Pine]

Ah fuck it.

Nacho, town.
Mastina, town.
Myself, town.
Mono, town.
Pisskop, town.

First round picks that Pine would do is that list...plus Fate.

My first round pick was Aero. Nacho was Camn's. Your deductions are shite.

[Pine]

Well you're right about that, at least. My second round pick was indeed in that half of the playerlist.

[Pine]

Truly, I am impressed that you can blind-guess one of my picks if I let you guess half the playerlist and give you two tries.

[Pine]

Was I right in thinking that you had Mastina and Nacho town because they would try to kill each other?

That was the idea. Jin flaking derailed that, unfortunately. Unfortunately, I wanted YOU, but Camn misunderstood and gave me Jin. Katsuki was valiant in trying to rescue the slot, but it was mortally wounded.

[Pine]

Hi my name is Pine and I'm a shit writer for using the word 'unfortunately' twice in a row like that.

[Pine]

It's kind of my job

Whats it pay?

If I do it right, Camn's tears and her mountain chalet.

I have confidence my last lackey can pull out a win.

[Pine]

Those would both be good lynches.

[Pine]

Also, if it weren't clear, the trolling of this game has kicked back in.

[Pine]

@gin, I think dreal is pissed because you wont even acknowledge that you being scum is POSSIBLE. You are not confirmed, its just incredibly unlikely, and you acting like an innocent child is not helping.

Why the hell would Gin acknowledge the possibility that he might be scum? He's seen his own role PM.

Straw man argument.

[Pine]

^Vax not understanding that pointing out bad arguments is WIFOM

[Pine]

This is my 10,000th post! Well, in the parts of the forum that count. Between hyperactive PTs, the old QTs, and discussion threads, it's probably half again that, but this is the one that changes my title to Survivor!

Camn, you should be honored that I deliberately chose to make this post in the thread that marks your ultimate defeat and humiliation.

[Pine]

Gin pull back a bit. Don't oversell. Let someone who TRs you whiteknight you a bit. Otherwise you're doing great.

[Pine]

Not today, I have role related reasons for living one more night please and thank you

Yeah, he needs to Cult me one more teammate. He's a N4 recruiter.

[Pine]

VOTE: Prism

[Pine]

You look pretty in that dress, Gin.

It'd be prettier on my floor.

[Pine]

MOTHER FUCKING GODFATHER

AND A JACK OF ALL TRADES

FUCK OUT OF HERE SAYING THIS SHIT IS TOWN SIDED

With no evidence of a Cop, Godfather is a Goon.

JOAT was actually relatively low-power. It amounts to three 1-shot powers.

I'm pretty sure she designed the Town roles to specifically counter my choices, and I was suckered into thinking she'd be fair. Come on, eavesdroppers to counter the GF? Lameass.

Gin, we're never killing you. Your reads are awesome.

[Pine]

Gin, we're never killing you. Your reads are awesome.

Thanks boo <3

They're awesome for me, you dunce. That was an insult.

[Pine]

Dammit, I knew Fate would be protected.

[Pine]

VOTE COUNT 5 . 1

• TheRealGin-N-Tonic -
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  Fate ---------------
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  Prism --------------
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  SirCakez -----------
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  Vaxkiller ----------
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  Aristophanes -------
  0 ( )
  L- 4
  
  
  
  Not Voting -
  6 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Fate, Prism, Pine
  SirCakez, Vaxkiller, Aristophanes, )

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to SUMMON CAMN'S WRATH
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-16 18:00:00)

WHAT A USEFUL VC THANKS CAMN

VOTE: CAMN

[Pine]

I mean, I appreciated it.

You getter respect Camn or she'll leave you tied up on the floor! XD

Hot

[Pine]

That was me. I was hoping to poison you so you wouldn't go against my boy

Fate

Cakez

Vax

Ari

Camn

[Pine]

Hahahaha, NLing is a great idea!

VOTE: No Lynch

[Pine]

Sigh

GG guys

[Pine]

Town performed really well this game, but this was pathetically unbalanced for Town

[Pine]

In favor of Town*

[Pine]

So for 100% realness, you actually did mean to choose me over Jin?

100% realness

[Pine]

Third. I picked Aero because I wanted someone experienced, with whom I had a history, for the important JOAT job. I picked Vax for distance, someone with whom I had no connection. Third I picked Gin, a talented up-and-comer with whom I have a recent connection and friendship, to hopefully draw a Cop onto the GF

[Pine]

Wait confused - what was your actual role?

[Pine]

Well that's the other thing that's pissing me off. Godfather with no Cop in evidence. Strongman JOAT with no apparent protective roles (1-shot Hider doesn't count). FIVE non-Cop investigative shots (Two eavesdroppers, Hider, Track and Watch from Inventor.) No Town killing role for the Jailkeep JOAT to protect against. I may need to have some balance words with the reviewer.

[Pine]

Sigh

GG guys

[Pine]

I love this game.

[Pine]

Mastina is probably raging in the dead thread.

Hi Mastina!

[Pine]

She is so likely to be!
I hope we're making you proud, town!

You aren't

[Pine]

Fate,are you actually SS?

Yeah, he's not going to answer that straight.

[Pine]

No Lynching is a dumb idea here, by the way.

[Pine]

[Pine]

The only way you get out of this, Pine, is if Gin has played one of the best scumgames I've ever seen!
If thus is the case, he is going to get the greatest Scummy nom I've ever written!

Gin, don't let him get to you

It wasn't Gin's gambit. He actually argued against it in the scum PT. Aero loved the idea, and insisted.

[Pine]

Im fine with being lynched. Im not doing so intil scum kill Gin

Why would Gin kill himself?

[Pine]

Fate,

Ari is a VT,

I'm a used up Eavesdropper who caught scum using a quote Camn gave me from the scum PT but can be framed that I took a random quote.

Prism is the power role that's confirmed confirmed. Every other role could be spun as "scum."

Also, I got a BP vest from Mono and was fucking shot.

WIFOM.

Just sayin'

[Pine]

Yeah, we also heard Mono claim to have given out a Tracker, but the Tracker has never claimed.

Who would Mono give it to? Random person? Or the "conf!Town" with the BP vest? HMMMM

[Pine]

This is great scum theatre, btw

[Pine]

TBF why would PINE shoot someone we knew had the vest.

Hint: We didn't shoot at Gin.

[Pine]

SHAKING IN YOUR BOOTS PINE

THE JIG IS FUCKING UP.
NO LYNCH TAKES TWO VOTES, ITS HAMMERED

It takes three, actually. Camn's VCs say so.

I'm not an idiot who gets fooled by fake hammers or white flags.

Unlike some people.

[Pine]

Foes inventor resolve bedpre or after kills?

Before, and I can confirm that scum received the tracker shot.

[Pine]

VOTE: Fate

HAMMER

[Pine]

Where the hell is Cakez

Cakez hasn't posted anywhere on site in most of a day.

[Pine]

You're scum because I drafted you, actually.

[Pine]

Why don't we just lynch Cakez or Ari? I could be happy with their skulls on the mantle of my new mountain chalet.

[Pine]

Fool proof.

Get your colloquialisms right, son.

[Pine]

I'm pretty sure the last scum is Ari

[Pine]

Yes. A sint, truly.

[Pine]

My phone corrected it to 'dint'

VOTE: Sint Camn

[Pine]

well Cakez does need to post more because we could just be devolving into madness

[Pine]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

The Chalet is mine![/i][/color][/b]

[Pine]

FATE FUCK YOU FOR NOT FUCKING LISTENING

I HAD GAME FUCKING SOLVE

Yeah but it wasn't about you. It was about him.

This is actually a common Town flaw - figuring out the setup is only half the battle. You also have to convince the Town. All we had to do in endgame was let Fate's paranoia run off the rails.

[Pine]

You'll notice, if you look back over the game, that my trolling was way less substantive when Town was off-track, and a lot heavier when you were close to the mark.

[Pine]

I will apoplogize for outing my role when Pine trolled us and said gg

that made SC liekly to hammer without fear


which also fucked my gambit

BUt all in all, yeah I was done with my Gin paranoia but couldnt shoot Cakez because of the missing track. Or rather, I knew it was game over if gin was scum because no point

Yeah, that was my best move all game.

There were another few times that I think I was able to nudge conversation a bit. I was the one that brought up the missing Tracker result, remember? And proposed that Mono gave it to the allegedly Bulletproof Gin.

Hey Gin

- I really did want you as my Godfather.

Also, the setup makes me mad. My Godfather was useless. My Jailkeeper was essentially useless. There was practically nothing to strongman. Highly distributed roles made Rolecop less effective. *shake fist at Camn* I should have known that "choose your own team's roles" was a trap. I pretty much had Goons.

[Pine]

mod errors that affect the game that much would register as a draw on my HS

It would have just been a reroll. The only error happened at game start, and she asked if I wanted to scrap it and start over. I approved the go-ahead.

[Pine]

Also if Camn releases Mastina and Is PT it's hilarious how I freak out thinking Ari might be scum

Also, would this be a good prelude for me to have my revenge in Ginn's Loony Bin?

Actually, Camn and I discussed the possibility of this being the first of a series of games where an early kill, fatally-bamboozled, or best-performance-in-a-losing-cause sets up a Revenge game on the victor.

[Pine]

In my heart, I beat Pine

Keep telling yourself that sweetiekins!

mod errors that affect the game that much would register as a draw on my HS

It would have just been a reroll. The only error happened at game start, and she asked if I wanted to scrap it and start over. I approved the go-ahead.

no, the VC error

A) who keeps score? Thats dumb.

b) Fun is more important than consistency!

p-edit- I got A LOT of PMs in the last 12 hours!
Blame Fate!

FOR EVERYTHING!

Well you could have flipped Fate, so it was obvious that he was the holdup.

[Pine]

GG!
Pine hard carried TBH, my play was really bad. We just got lucky.

[Pine]

I guess it's time to get rid of the Evil Chris Pine avvie.

NOW TAKING AVATAR SUGGESTIONS

[Pine]

Those are hemlock scales.

Yes, I know the difference between pine and hemlock at a glance.

Oh, right, commentary on scum deaths.

Katsuki did the best he could with what he was handed. Honestly, surviving D1 was an accomplishment after replacing that slot. Boffo.

Aeronaut got caught out on a guilty. Guilties are guilties, not much you can do about them. He threw off a respectable amount of WIFOM before going down. Nicely played.

Sir Cakez was chosen for his lack of prior connection to me and his ability to slow play. He was my safety, as I was confident in his ability to fly under the radar if all else failed. He did not disappoint.

Town played really, really well this game. Seriously, it took every scrap of skill, guile, and luck we had to barely eke out a win. Mostly luck. Town was coordinated, on-task, caught our mistakes, and prosecuted their leads. Town didn't really have any significant weaknesses or handicaps. Well played all.

[Pine]

Yeah, I was thinking the same

Gin we should hydra again some time soon.

[Pine]

And he picked Ari!

ARI!

I could justify shooting Gin because he was buying into the notion that Gin outing Aero was an epic bus gambit (IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GIN I WANT YOU ON MY TEAM), but Ari was just blatantly obvTown.

[Pine]

Holy shit, scum won.

Yeah, right? I can't remember how many times I dropped a "Yeah we're screwed" comment into the smacktalk or mafia threads.

Also, when I claimed that I declined my one Town request, that was for real. In hindsight, I should have requested a Cop. This would have eliminated the possibility of alternative investigators while setting up a false positive on my Godfather, a situation Camn neatly sidestepped by NOT HAVING A COP. Sigh. Godfather was effectively a Goon.

[Pine]

ummm, hemlocks are pine trees

and hemlock and hemlock trees are 2 different things

that is a sprig of a pine tree, could be hemlock but it looks more like cypress

Hemlocks (genus

Tsuga

) and pines (genus

Pinus

) are entirely different genera within the

Pinaceae

family of conifers. Their needles look nothing alike.

Tsuga

is also an entirely different

division

of Kingdom

Plantae

away from poison hemlock, which is a small and shrubby plant.

PEdit: Fair point, Prism, though we'd already shot it off of him.

[Pine]

I think that the next game in the series should be hosted by Mastina, Fate, or Gin. All three have good cause to be incensed by the outcome.

[Pine]

I thought the chance the eavesdropper was successful was so low it wasn't really worth considering.

Well that's the thing - it WAS really low. A 1-shot power that has a 3/4ish chance to hit Town and only helps if the target HAPPENS to say something that is incriminating in the selected post? It's like rolling a d20 and getting a nat 20, then confirming the crit.

[Pine]

3 head hydra.

Pine
Mastina
Gin

The Three Musketeers

1) screw you

If you've ever read Dumas, there was a fourth musketeer.

And if anyone is Athos, Porthos and Aramis, it's me, Mastina, and Nacho. Gin, you can be d'Artagnan.

See Nacho? I didn't forget you. I just thought that Mastina was a bit more ragey.

[Pine]

My modding plate it pretty full. I have a lot of things in the works, or I'd run a Pine's Dominion game.

Fate, how does Fate's Revenge strike you?

[Pine]

Or Gin works

[Pine]

Should I give Pine an auto-pre-in?

Yes.

Do you want an innocent child treestump or a guilty child treestump?

Who should be the treestump?

Who is the object of your revenge?

[Pine]

Also, can I say that I

really really

loved just trolling this game?

[Pine]

Cakez shooting BP vest then shooting Gin is optimal. Gin was cleared by everyone except Fate.

It only stops one and town doesn't get an extra ML unless two are prevented.

I knew he was BP, but wanted to clear the BP so we could shoot him later.

[Pine]

^This is a good point.

And oh fuck I never read the dead thread!

[Pine]

No kill.

Because lulz.

[Pine]

Sounds swell

I am also an advocate of keeping these games semi-invitational *guilty look*

This game was so fun because the player list was relatively elite and there weren't any spambots aside from Gin

[Pine]

Well, not infinitely. If you'd NLed a second time, I'd have wanted to kill Ari. From my perspective, he made more sense to set up your paranoia towards Gin.