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I claim one shit claimer, I preclaim when day starts[

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One shot*

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VOTE: Alisae

You don't copy/paste the same post in every game, clearly a scumtell :^)

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LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

1. That's a bullshit scumtell.
2. Its protown to ask for reasons, would you like it if I voted you right now and called you scummy for asking me why?
3. If it's clear it's RVS to you then you should know that everything is said in a jovial manner until something happens.
4. I don't think you know what obvious scum means.

PEdit: ninjaed point 3

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I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

1) that's all you accused him of
2) the onus is on you to explain they were
3) again, onus is on you to say that it's not town rather than just say it's out of place without explaining
4) That could be said of anything, invalid point.
5) then if it's not a solid read why didn't you solidify it or clarify? You just immediately threw the accusation without trying to look at it or pressuring her.

PEdit: clearly you need to go back to a Newbie game for people to take your analysis seriously.

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And another contradiction: you don't say someone is obvious scum and say it's not a solid read

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Because I feel disgusted at a flawed accusation

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VOTE: karnos

Most bullshit defence ever. This is the few kinds of defence I feel warrants a lynch even more than something like what LQ did.

I'd rather push a karnos wagon

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Allow me to destroy another post.

Seems like you tried to guess the reasoning, and then assumed I had none afterward. Weird.

If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.

I wasn't scum reading him based on his logic, it was his defensiveness and over-explaining himself that pinged me.

Also, isn't an opportunistic vote usually characterized as jumping on a growing wagon?

1. It's not weird, it's what Town does when they see a naked vote.
2. That's a trash argument, that's essentially saying he's scum for questioning you.
3. Not looking like that the way you voted
4. An opportunistic vote is when you see the opportunity to vote someone with little possible repurcussions, in this case, LQ was likely going to be wagoned and leading the wagon in advance like this has little implications on you tomorrow.

PEdit: I told him to go back to a newbie after he said this is a newbie game for questioning his analysis. I got pissed and telling him to go to a newbie is my way of telling him that he shouldn't tell people they suck when he's the one sucking.
I responded to LQ's points because they were absolute bullshit and you can't expect a straightminded person to just sit around and let such an obviously bullshit argument fly by without being questioned.

PEdit 2: No policy lynches are going to happen page 5

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And if you think my way of telling him to go to a newbie is discrediting him then he basically discredited the entire game

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It's still null on Lickety. I mentioned how his play was bad, but at no point I called it scum. I forgot to unvote Ali

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I explained already the newbie comment back was to counter HIS comment saying that the game is like a newbie game.

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Spoiler: everything I mentioned LQ in

VOTE: karnos

Most bullshit defence ever. This is the few kinds of defence I feel warrants a lynch even more than something like what LQ did.

I'd rather push a karnos wagon

Why I voted karnos. His bad play struck as scum, while I mentioned LQ's play is not with lynching.

Because I feel disgusted at a flawed accusation

Why I interjected. Never have I been told or seen interjection g as being AI.

And another contradiction: you don't say someone is obvious scum and say it's not a solid read

Following up my destruction of his trash case.

I asked for reasons knowing not to take them seriously as well. Does that make me scum?
How do you know they were going to take the reasons seriously?
And why can't they ask for reasons if they are town?
What makes you think they are attempting to push the game forward.
How do you know you aren't taking their post the wrong way?

1) That isn't all you did though.
2) Can you tell me they were not going to? Why would you think that? I see more reason to believe they would than they wouldn't; its the simplest explanation, Occam's Razor.
3) They can, but tbh it looks like a really weird place to ask that. Again, that is all shannon has done. Its a really simple question to ask. The trick is finding out if it is out of place or not and I think it is.
4) I think its a fake way to

look

like you are trying to push the game forward.
5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.

1) that's all you accused him of
2) the onus is on you to explain they were
3) again, onus is on you to say that it's not town rather than just say it's out of place without explaining
4) That could be said of anything, invalid point.
5) then if it's not a solid read why didn't you solidify it or clarify? You just immediately threw the accusation without trying to look at it or pressuring her.

PEdit: clearly you need to go back to a Newbie game for people to take your analysis seriously.

I destroyed his case and threw back a comment at him about Newbieness in counter for HIS comment.

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

1. That's a bullshit scumtell.
2. Its protown to ask for reasons, would you like it if I voted you right now and called you scummy for asking me why?
3. If it's clear it's RVS to you then you should know that everything is said in a jovial manner until something happens.
4. I don't think you know what obvious scum means.

PEdit: ninjaed point 3

The original destroying of his post

As you can see, my posts mostly indicated how he played badly, over he played scummily.

Karnos in the other hand, I expressed a clear scumread on him, "Most Bullshit defence", "warrants a lynch", "rather push a karnos wagon" was what I said. Here, his play looked opportunistic, hence scummy, while LQ play is simply bad.

At the current moment, karnos not possibly being scumpartners with LQ leads to more reason not to scumread him, as I scumread karnos at the current moment. I'm remaining null instead of a townread, as this still has the small chance of being staged, e.g. LQ puts out the BS case for Karnos to vote and try to start a wagon for town red(I've seen it happen).

I would advise lynching karnos over LQ for above reasons.

Now with all the possible questions I can think of fended off, I am going to move on to other topics.

I TR Alisae for similar reasons to why he is universally TRed, however i would however prefer his vote to be in karnos.

Garmr and Shannon are Town for now, creating active discussion. If Shannon or Garmr was scum, I don't think scum wants to put in the extra effort of creating discussion points and noticing things that probably won't get lynched. However, this is one of the less solid tells, hence the For Now.

Again, everyone voting LQ I suggest swapping to karnos, thanks.

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If anyone can produce a good counter argument to why karnos is town and LQ scum please present it.

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Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.

I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting eh

There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.

I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.

He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

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4. An opportunistic vote is when you see the opportunity to vote someone with little possible repurcussions, in this case, LQ was likely going to be wagoned and leading the wagon in advance like this has little implications on you tomorrow.

WTF is this logic? How was I predicting the future, exactly?

Either there was a legitimate reason to vote him, and I am justified in my vote for that reason, or there isn't- in which case there is no possible reason for me to predict he would be a wagon. You are arguing nonsense.

Note: haven't caught up on the thread yet, posting as I go.

He was under the spotlight, getting attacked for an incrediblyy reachy case. These are the people likely to get a wagon on then first. There was a slight legitimate reason for you to lynch him, but it looked way more likely that you saw a wagon on LQ since he was currently under attack but with no votes on them. Here's some sense for you to interpret.

Not much else to directly respond to. I get the sense that there is a clique of players here who all know each other pretty well, which usually means I get miss-lynched. My style always seems to come across as scummy when playing with people I haven't played with before.

That said:

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Probably not scum based on what has occurred in the thread.

VOTE: XnadrojX

Best bet for today. Might just be annoying town, but he is using a lot of shitty scum logic.

Mostly away today hosting a D&D game, so I don't expect to be around again until late or tomorrow.

Nice OMGUS. My logic I have used this far is perfectly decipherable. You're grasping at straws.

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Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now

Shitty Logic =/= Scummy.
For example this is a post of shitty Logic but it's still a town post.

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I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.

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At this point, I think my read on Alisae has degenerated back to a null read. His first few posts were good and then filler and one-liners started creeping in. Then again idk if this is AI coming from Alisae.

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I still encourage people to vote karnos.

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My read on LQ degenerated back down to slight scumlean. I'm still reading karnos harder, but if karnos flips Town I'm looking at LQ next.

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Not much else to directly respond to. I get the sense that there is a clique of players here who all know each other pretty well, which usually means I get miss-lynched. My style always seems to come across as scummy when playing with people I haven't played with before.

That said:

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Probably not scum based on what has occurred in the thread.

VOTE: XnadrojX

Best bet for today. Might just be annoying town, but he is using a lot of shitty scum logic.

Mostly away today hosting a D&D game, so I don't expect to be around again until late or tomorrow.

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ne does not simply say someone is using shitty logic and doesn't explain how. O

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ight I say, does not simply get voted by one player and vote the accuser. M

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ood posting would have been you explaining the err's in his ways. G

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nforunately, you decided to do fuck all. U

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o, I am willing to lend my vote. S

I put a little easter egg in there for you to munch on.

VOTE: Karnos

I see what you did there.

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He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.

He was under the spotlight, getting attacked for an incrediblyy reachy case. These are the people likely to get a wagon on then first. There was a slight legitimate reason for you to lynch him, but it looked way more likely that you saw a wagon on LQ since he was currently under attack but with no votes on them. Here's some sense for you to interpret.

Doesn't anyone else see the contrast here? In two consecutive posts xnadrojx implies scum wouldn't push on something reachy, and then follows up by saying I'm likely scum because I pushed something reachy.

Er, what?

I never said Alisae pushes on something reachy. You're trying to defend yourself too hard

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Kinda busy at the moment, might not post too frequently.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic is town.
Karnos is more scum.

From what I've seen I've been accused of "throwing a punch but holding back"
I'm clarifying again that nowhere I mentioned I scumread LQ, or suggested a lynch in him. I tore up his case, I see this as more of defending someone than attacking someone. Attacking someone would be what I'm doing to karnos now, speaking of which I see a bunch of nice posts by him to harden my scumread on.

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Jordan you think LQ is defending Karnos a bit too hard?

No

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Sorry for not posting useful stuff yesterday. Was busy. Will post more later

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ThinkBig did a nice 180 on AA for "not producing content over 7 posts"
I think I need a deeper explanation.

Garmr remains in my TownPool.
TheRealGinNTonic has went in my TownPool.

More posting later

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PranaDevil has LOADS of substantial stuff, this is town posting here.

Shannon is very "uuuehdgjdhdndnsm.mmkknns... Meh" to me rn.

Alisae is flipping around, will quote stuff later. Also scum!LQs better off voting karnos.

Speaking of LQ, hes back into my townpile, albeit a little at its edges. He's good content producing and his play doesn't remind me of scum play.

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I feel like I am talking to a wall, nobody is even responding to my arguments.

Bleh.

Just do me a favor, nobody quick lynch me okay? I want a chance to respond to the case on me, as flimsy as it is. It's a long time until deadline.

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

That was a very atypical game. Multiball and first game with DixC, who is a friend of mine from a previous forum. Pretty sure he is the one who pushed to have me night-killed N1.

I don't like meta analysis but if you are going to use it look at my more recent games, this one is a bad example (though I understand LQ is showing it because he was in the same game).

Just to be clear, I don't think Alisae is scum.

Karnos ISO that I haven't responded to significantly.

First of all, notice how he COMPLETELY disregards my counter argument about Alisae (who was a townread back then) after he tries to push me flimsily about my opinions, which I completely destroy in my counter argument.
He then just disappears, not even a time range to when he'd be back.

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My reads list rn from town>scum

{Garmr, Prana}
{TheRealGin-N-Tonic, LicketyQuickety}
{BBT}<---- This is the one that's hinging on the fringes of "TR or no?"
{Everyone not up there or down there}<---- null starts here
{All Alone, Lexa}
{Karnos}

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@MOD

V/LA from the duration starting from tomorow to after the weekend. It's a very important weekend for some people

<<< I am noting this as being from Friday, January 27th through Monday, January 30th. If this is inaccurate, inform me. >>>

Prana and Shannon seems to be the most agreed on townread based on what is going on.
ThinkBig is a strange mix of scummy posts and townie posts. Don't really know how to read that slot.
Alisae just announced he's scum, and likely with karnos. Bringing off a lot of the votes off karnos was Alisae.
The fact that the wagon just dissipated like that indicates scum, probably a scumbuddy tried to derail.
I dunno about AA, he hasn't made enough posts for me to properly get a read on him, leaning scum for now I think.
That thing from Lexa is NAI, can't blame inconvenient timing looking opportune imo. (Unless I'm too trusting of people which I doubt)
There still was no reason to vote BBT over karnos, karnos still stood as the scummier person.
Speaking of karnos, the claim was shit. I doubt he actually a Vengeful townie (unless Vengeful Mafia but I've never heard of it) it looked a lot like a self defence move to me.

This is the best you're gonna get out of me for the weekend.

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Nice game. Thx mastina.

Why would you lynch Titus?????