Changes to Normal Games (update September 2022)

[TemporalLich]

no, Modifier Cop is not a Normal role yet.

but yeah Modifier Cop definitely could be Normal imo

[Random Nurse]

Also, is it possible to have a Cop that sees both alignment AND role, or would that bee too powerful? It'd of course be balanced in Normal review.

[RH9]

Also, is it possible to have a Cop that sees both alignment AND role, or would that bee too powerful? It'd of course be balanced in Normal review.

That's basically a

Combined Faction Cop Role Cop

.

Faction Cop

(which sees alignment but not role) could be added to the whitelist, if there is enough need and interest.

[RH9]

no, Modifier Cop is not a Normal role yet.

but yeah Modifier Cop definitely could be Normal imo

+1

[Random Nurse]

Also, is it possible to have a Cop that sees both alignment AND role, or would that bee too powerful? It'd of course be balanced in Normal review.

That's basically a

Combined Faction Cop Role Cop

.

Faction Cop

(which sees alignment but not role) could be added to the whitelist, if there is enough need and interest.

True, BUT... "Combined Faction Cop Role Cop" is wordy

and could be replaced

with one or two words.

[RH9]

Also, is it possible to have a Cop that sees both alignment AND role, or would that bee too powerful? It'd of course be balanced in Normal review.

That's basically a

Combined Faction Cop Role Cop

.

Faction Cop

(which sees alignment but not role) could be added to the whitelist, if there is enough need and interest.

True, BUT... "Combined Faction Cop Role Cop" is wordy

and could be replaced

with one or two words.

I see.

[RH9]

[snip]

Out of the roles in the list, the ones that I support the most are:

1. '
   Loyalblocker
   ', though maybe call it a
   Patriot
   ?
   
2. '
   Follower-Cop
   ', though maybe call it an
   Category Cop
   ?
   
3. Neighborhood Cop
   
   
4. Universal Finder, though as
   Role Guesser
   
   
5. Modifier Cop
   
   
6. VIP
   
   
7. Marker
   
   
8. Role Guard
   
   
9. Peacekeeper
   
   
10. Informant
    
    
11. Willbooster
    
    
12. Unnamed role 1
    
    
13. [role]-
    Immune
    
    
14. Bomb
    
    
15. Superstar
    
    
16. Narcissistic
    (instead of
    Listening
    and
    Careful
    ; it makes personal abilities passively target self)
    
17. Moonlight Dancer
    
    
18. Gunless
    
    
19. Marked
    
    
20. [role]-
    Disabler
    
    
21. Famous
    
    
22. Epicurean
    
    
23. Masochist
    (instead of
    Vulnerable
    ; it makes killing abilities targeting you always succeed)
    
24. Unstoppable
    
    
25. Sacrificial
    
    
26. Noticeable
    
    
27. Regretful
    
    
28. Vain
    
    
29. Sleepy
    
    
30. Provoked
    
    
31. Recharged
    
    
32. Procrastinating
    
    
33. Publishing
    
    
34. X-Result
    
    
35. Obsessive
    
    
36. Temporary
    
    
37. Impersonal

[Random Nurse]

Holy shit that's a lot. I like.

Who sets about approving them?

[RH9]

Holy shit that's a lot. I like.

Who sets about approving them?

I think Ausuka.

[TemporalLich]

For Epicurean and Vulnerable: I'm not beholden to them affecting roleblocks, since Epicurean and Vulnerable are similar to Macho in concept.

For [role]-Disabler: My preference for [role]-Locked instead of [role]-Disabler is because [role]-Locked feels much more Normal. [role]-Disabler has the Normalcy concern of making roles not function without it being clear why the role is not functioning.

[RH9]

For [role]-Disabler: My preference for [role]-Locked instead of [role]-Disabler is because [role]-Locked feels much more Normal. [role]-Disabler has the Normalcy concern of making roles not function without it being clear why the role is not functioning.

True.
I change my support from

Disabler

to

Locked

, then.

[Random Nurse]

Could we please add a role that negates or removes a/all modifiers from their target?

Say a PR that can strip away "Bulletproof" status. Like a Scum "Interceptor" or "Hacker." Something that can manipulate to remove a beneficial modifier.

[Random Nurse]

In that list RH9 do you have the flip side of Loud/Announcing, where the person being targeted is made aware of the action or person targeting them?

[usesPython]

In that list RH9 do you have the flip side of Loud/Announcing, where the person being targeted is made aware of the action or person targeting them?

Listening - You are informed of the players who target you (self-watcher).
Careful - You are informed of the action types that target you (self-voyeur).

[Random Nurse]

In that list RH9 do you have the flip side of Loud/Announcing, where the person being targeted is made aware of the action or person targeting them?

Listening - You are informed of the players who target you (self-watcher).
Careful - You are informed of the action types that target you (self-voyeur).

Thank you.

[Random Nurse]

Once thing I'd kind of like to see is the introduction of items to Normal games. I already know this will probably never happen, but as the game evolves and grows you all should start considering additional dimensions to the game.

Meaning, a player could have an item or not (it'd be in their role PM, and can only be used once). Yeah, could could just say player is "1-shot" this or that, but when it's labeled as an item there's a lot more you can do. Another player could steal the item, destroy it, inspect it, nullify it, etc.

Kind of like the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG that added in Synchros, XYZ, Pendulums, and Link monsters, perhaps Mafia would benefit by seeking to slowly add in additional layers to Normal games. Have it evolve and grow.

[Dunnstral]

It sounds like you want to play a theme game

[Random Nurse]

It sounds like you want to play a theme game

It sounds like you didn't read the gist of my post.

[DkKoba]

the NRG thinks there is too much complexity creep in normals now and would prefer to go in the other direction - the last time we had a simple normal completed was umlaut's, and that was just a funny 3 mason setup.

Like I mentioned before to you, you are 100% free to run your own series of games in theme queue that is advertised as normal level balancing with extra roles/modifiers that you choose. If you make it good, people will come - as is the case with Booneytoons.

[TemporalLich]

the NRG thinks there is too much complexity creep in normals now and would prefer to go in the other direction - the last time we had a simple normal completed was umlaut's, and that was just a funny 3 mason setup.

Like I mentioned before to you, you are 100% free to run your own series of games in theme queue that is advertised as normal level balancing with extra roles/modifiers that you choose. If you make it good, people will come - as is the case with Booneytoons.

yeah

Normal games should stay at least relatively simple so they can remain newbie-accessible.

Items are just too complex of a mechanic for Normals imo

here is the BooneyToonz Discussion thread if you are curious about BooneyToonz: viewtopic.php?t=77822

[Random Nurse]

This inflexibility is a weakness, not a strength.

In time I'll run large themed games.

[RH9]

Could we please add a role that negates or removes a/all modifiers from their target?

Say a PR that can strip away "Bulletproof" status. Like a Scum "Interceptor" or "Hacker." Something that can manipulate to remove a beneficial modifier.

That sounds like TLich's Renegade.
Edit: Actually, I misread.

[RH9]

Your idea could work as a variation of Vanillaiser.

[TemporalLich]

The closest role of mine to straight up removing a player's role modifiers is a Coach.

A Coach allows a player to act without interference by role modifiers if they want to.

[RH9]

This inflexibility is a weakness, not a strength.

In time I'll run large themed games.

I think that's the intention of Normal games.
Themes and Opens allow more flexibility but Normals generally tend to be more similar to 'regular' Mafia. (i.e. no modular mechanics like items)