Mini 581 - Andy's Death - Over


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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:10 pm

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Everything was fine and everyone was happy.

Of course, by
"Everything"
I mean "
the Town's security status
". By
"Fine"
I mean "
The cops found Andy's corpse hanging right in front of the Police Station
" and by
"happy"
I mean "
Boldly
frantically looking for the responsible party
"


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Jenter Brolincani,
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Ythill,
Serial Killer
, Lynched Day 2 link
goborage,
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, lynched Day 3 Link
Jdodge,
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, endgamed
Grimmy,
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There's one of this
You are a Serial Killer. Each night, you may PM me the name of a player. You will kill that player. You win if and only if you are the only player alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.
There's two of this
You are a member of the Mafia with XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. You may talk with your partners at night. Unlike the standard mafia group, however, you do not have a kill or any other nightchoice.

You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent the same.
There's one of:
You are a serial killer finder. Each night, you may PM me the name of a player. I will tell you if that player is the serial killer or not the serial killer. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
And four of:
You are a Townie. You have no nightchoice. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
GAME HASN'T STARTED YET. I'M RANDOMIZING / SENDING PMs / TYPING RULESET / HAVING PIZZA DINNER
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:15 pm

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RULES
This game follows my Standard Modding rules and my Mafia Modding Rules:

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    *  This is a frigging GAME. It's supposed to be fun
    * I'm on GMT-0600.
    * As the Mod of this game, my decision is final.
    * As a Human being, no matter how awesome I may be, I may commit errors. Kindly point them via PM or AIM
    * Co-mods and Backup mods have the same authority, rights and responsibilities than me.
    * If I commit an error in the votecount it's your responsibility to point it to me. Otherwise, it will count as normally
    * Votes must be written in bold, with the word Vote followed by a space and the name of the player you're voting. Like this: Vote: mith
    * For easing my work as a Mod, I ask you to Unvote before casting a new vote.
    * You don't need to spell accurately when voting.
    * You may vote No Lynch. A majority of this kind is necessary for ending the day without a death.
    * Once a majority is reached no pleas and unvotes will change this decision.
    * Once the game enters Twilight, stop posting.
    * Dead men tell no tales. I don't like "Bah" posts that much, but I accept them if they don't have any relevant information
    * Don't edit your posts. Don't use invisible text or anything like that.
    * Don't quote PMs from me.
    * If you want to tell me something int the thread do so by bolding your message Otherwise I may skip it.
    * Deadlines are negotiable, but only if the discussion needs it and if at least half the players agree on changing the deadline.
    * Deadlines are one-way only. I will never put a new deadline earlier than an older one.
    * I don't wait for anyone on deadlines. If you don't get your choices before deadline, I won't take them into account.
    * If you anticipate being unavailable to post for more than 72 hours let me know (preferently via post in the game thread)
    * If you don't post at least once every 72 hours I'll prod you (See the weekend rule below)
    * Don't respond to prods via PM. Rather, go post in the game thread.
    * If I need to prod you 3 times, you'll be warned. A fourth prod means I'll replace you (a.k.a. Yosarian's Three Strikes rule+1)
    * My family and other activities take a good amount of my weekends. I count them as [0,1] days.
    * Comments and suggestions at the end of the game are encouraged and welcome
    * I can change the rules for good games sake. 


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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:16 pm

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Everyone confirmed, game's on.

It is Day 1. 8 alive means 5 to Lynch.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:17 pm

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Random vote: avinashv


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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:41 pm

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vote: camisade
because I don't want to scroll up and look at other names.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:14 pm

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vote: goborage
based solely on the aesthetics of the name.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:47 pm

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Vote: Jenter Brolincani
for having the only name with 2 words.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:42 am

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Vote: Jenter
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:52 am

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Vote: JDodge
for not giving a reason
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:48 pm

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Lol. Jenter's collecting votes already...

I don't random vote but y'all knock yourselves out.

This set-up is certainly the strangest normal I've been in so far. I think it will minimize lurking as a scum tactic. It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims. This should be fun.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:42 pm

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Ythill wrote:Lol. Jenter's collecting votes already...

I don't random vote but y'all knock yourselves out.
Ah, the innocence of youth...
Ythill wrote:This set-up is certainly the strangest normal I've been in so far. I think it will minimize lurking as a scum tactic. It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims. This should be fun.
This setup would be absolutely shattered by a massclaim.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:34 pm

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This setup would be absolutely shattered by a massclaim.
It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims.
Explain? Sorry, but I'm really new at this. Couldn't/Wouldn't everyone just claim to be a townie?
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:14 pm

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Yeah, I think a mass-claim would be 8 townies. And by "won't be any fake claims" I wasn't counting 'nilla.

@JDodge: Innocence of youth? Explain?
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:38 am

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Sethaniel wrote:
This setup would be absolutely shattered by a massclaim.
It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims.
Explain? Sorry, but I'm really new at this. Couldn't/Wouldn't everyone just claim to be a townie?
FBI Agent has no reason to. While this does have the unfortunate side effect of outing the lone town power role, it has the benefit of giving us a single confirmed townie (or near-confirmed) on D1. And quite frankly, I'd prefer a confirmed townie to a cop who is looking for one single person who may die before even giving us results.

The scum are forced to either fake-claim FBI Agent, thus giving themselves away, or claim townie, giving us our confirmed. It's their choice, really.
Ythill wrote:@JDodge: Innocence of youth? Explain?
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:30 pm

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FBI Agent has no reason to. While this does have the unfortunate side effect of outing the lone town power role, it has the benefit of giving us a single confirmed townie (or near-confirmed) on D1. And quite frankly, I'd prefer a confirmed townie to a cop who is looking for one single person who may die before even giving us results.

The scum are forced to either fake-claim FBI Agent, thus giving themselves away, or claim townie, giving us our confirmed. It's their choice, really.
Agreed. And gauging reactions from either the fake-claim or real claim's announcement will provide for some in depth analysis.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:02 pm

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JDodge wrote:
Sethaniel wrote:
This setup would be absolutely shattered by a massclaim.
It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims.
Explain? Sorry, but I'm really new at this. Couldn't/Wouldn't everyone just claim to be a townie?
FBI Agent has no reason to. While this does have the unfortunate side effect of outing the lone town power role, it has the benefit of giving us a single confirmed townie (or near-confirmed) on D1. And quite frankly, I'd prefer a confirmed townie to a cop who is looking for one single person who may die before even giving us results.

The scum are forced to either fake-claim FBI Agent, thus giving themselves away, or claim townie, giving us our confirmed. It's their choice, really.
But wouldn't the SK just kill the SK finder immediately?
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:02 pm

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JDodge wrote:
Ythill wrote:@JDodge: Innocence of youth? Explain?
"I don't random vote".
I just think it's kind of pointless. Discussing meta and the setup seems to get the game moving more quickly but, like I said, do whatever you want.

I think it's misleading of you to suggest an honest FBI mass-claim without identifying it as a D2 strategy. Doing it today would provide no benefit to the town, but would sacrifice our only power role. Even on D2, a scum counterclaim could potentially get the real FBI lynched, allowing the SK to N2K the confirmed townie and, again, sacrifice our only power role for no gain.

There'd be plenty of gain for the SK though...

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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:10 pm

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I have to agree with Ythill and camisade. Why would the SK finder claim today, when the SK will just kill him at night?

Therefore, I have to wonder about JDodge for saying the finder's got no reason not to claim, and avin, for agreeing with JDodge and promoting a massclaim.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:19 pm

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I was trying to figure out what a mass-roleclaim would accomplish day 1 and all I came up with is that it would make the lynch slightly easier, as it would narrow our choices to 1/7 opposed to 1/8, which isn't very much. It would still be a guessing game and unless we got the SK we'd have a dead FBI guaranteed day 2.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:29 pm

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I'm gonna throw a second vote on avinashv for supporting JDodge.

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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:02 pm

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gob wrote:...avinashv for supporting JDodge.
Not to mention quickly withdrawing that support to instead agree with myself and cam.

@ Seth: Are you normally so impressionable? Why didn't you think through the idea before agreeing? If JDodge is a townie with a trap, you've stumbled right in.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:04 pm

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camisade wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Sethaniel wrote:
This setup would be absolutely shattered by a massclaim.
It's also safe to say there won't be any fake claims.
Explain? Sorry, but I'm really new at this. Couldn't/Wouldn't everyone just claim to be a townie?
FBI Agent has no reason to. While this does have the unfortunate side effect of outing the lone town power role, it has the benefit of giving us a single confirmed townie (or near-confirmed) on D1. And quite frankly, I'd prefer a confirmed townie to a cop who is looking for one single person who may die before even giving us results.

The scum are forced to either fake-claim FBI Agent, thus giving themselves away, or claim townie, giving us our confirmed. It's their choice, really.
But wouldn't the SK just kill the SK finder immediately?
Which is exactly why I pointed that out.

Keep in mind that you must assume based on the low player count that the FBI Agent essentially gets
one
chance to find the SK with an investigation - something which should be 1 in 6. With that, there is the chance that the SK will kill the FBI Agent anyways - again, 1 in 6. And there's a further chance that the SK will kill the FBI Agent's
target
if they get an innocent - 1 in 6.

Now, if we massclaim, we not only find the SK, but we find the scum as well - if the FBI Agent claims truthfully and is not counterclaimed, we then have a 3/7 chance of lynching an anti-town role, and a 1 in 7 chance of getting the SK - this is actually better odds than if we weren't to massclaim, when we would have a 3/8 chance of anti-town and 1/8 chance of SK, not to mention the 1/8 chance of the FBI Agent being lynched.

Statistically speaking, massclaim is a good play. Logically speaking, it's brilliant, considering how much info you can get out of someone claiming.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:10 pm

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EBWOP: I have misread Seth's statement and confused him with avinas. Sorry guys, I'll try to remember you are two different people.

Here's the post in a way that makes sense...
Ythill wrote:
gob wrote:...avinashv for supporting JDodge.
QFT.
Not to mention quickly withdrawing that support to instead agree with myself and cam.


@ avinas:
Why didn't you think through the idea before agreeing? If JDodge is a townie with a trap, you've stumbled right in.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:27 pm

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@JDodge: If this was a game of pure statistics, we would rarely type other than to vote. A straight lynch without a mass claim will give us a good deal of information. You are also neglecting implied odds. It is true that FBI has a slim chance of finding the SK, but the payoff for town is far greater than having a confirmed townie on D2 who will inevitably be the N2K.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:35 pm

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Ythill wrote:@JDodge: If this was a game of pure statistics, we would rarely type other than to vote. A straight lynch without a mass claim will give us a good deal of information. You are also neglecting implied odds. It is true that FBI has a slim chance of finding the SK, but the payoff for town is far greater than having a confirmed townie on D2 who will inevitably be the N2K.
Confirmed townie on D
2
? Why D[/i]2[/i]?

And if this was a game in which statistics played no part, we would be just as efficient if we were to bash our heads into our keyboards repeatedly and post the results.

Statistics are a major part of logic, which is the driving force behind most towns.
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