Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Guardian]

Vote Count #3

Albert[3] (pickemgenius, Elias_the_thief, CoolBot)
pickemgenius[2] (Albert, Machiavellian-Mafia)
Elias_the_thief[2] (the silent speaker, shaft.ed)
Surye[2] (Adel, Ectomancer)
Ectomancer[1] (Kison)
Rosso Carne[1] (Tarhalindur)
shaft.ed[1] (farside22)
Adel[1] (Surye)

Not Voting[2]: (Rosso Carne, camisade)

[Surye]

we figured out that you are scum. Me and ecto and PEG share a brain, and we always share alignment.

Interesting that PEG is associated with a group here, when his vote lies on ABR currently.

[pickemgenius]

we figured out that you are scum. Me and ecto and PEG share a brain, and we always share alignment.

STFU

[Surye]

Meta-history and spam seem to be dominating this game.

Time to get down to business, anyone see anything particularly suspicious so far in the game? All I have been able to see is the PEG/Adel/Ecto (as that one was thrown in my face ) and the ABR/PEG connection. Both of these are probably useless.

[Adel]

i don't see how that could be relevant. See Gambler's Fallacy.

I know how to flip a penny a hundred times Adel.

What I'm getting at is whether Elias took an opportunity with ABR's comments about Elias crawling out of the woodwork. Its a perfectly acceptable response on the face of it, and may be completely innocent, but I cant help at wonder at the perception generated by it.
He says he was NK'd N1 3 games in a row. Usually (though not always), if you are NK'd it is going to be by scum. It meant that in 3 games, scum found him to be the biggest threat for one reason or another. Extrapolate on that and it means that Elias is probably a good player to keep around for scum hunting.
So following your Gambler's Fallacy, yes, he has proven to be town and apparently threatening to scum for 3 recent games, but that doesn't mean that he is town again in this game. I dont believe I've ever played with Elias, so I wonder (again) whether he is as subtle a player to casually influence town's desire to keep him around.

Why do you think you got NK'd those 3 games Elias, with 20/20 hindsight? Were your speculations close to the mark and they were forced to kill you, or was it because the general perception of you was that you were town? Or was it sheer dumb luck?

he is 10-1 as scum right? So if he hasn't been NK'd by day 4 it may be a good idea to lynch him.

[Ectomancer]

Only if he really looks like town. He's 5-5 as town, so if he's looking mediocre we can leave him alone.

[shaft.ed]

Only if he really looks like town. He's 5-5 as town, so if he's looking mediocre

we

can leave him alone.

Who do you mean by we?

[Ectomancer]

Only if he really looks like town. He's 5-5 as town, so if he's looking mediocre

we

can leave him alone.

Who do you mean by we?

Currently, any 7 of you that I can bend to my will.

[shaft.ed]

So you want to lynch him already?

[Surye]

FoS: Ecto

for being too scummy to be scum.

[Adel]

Only if he really looks like town. He's 5-5 as town, so if he's looking mediocre

we

can leave him alone.

Who do you mean by we?

you are included in that set, btw.

[Ectomancer]

So you want to lynch him already?

We have to give him time to prove himself either excellent or mediocre don't we? My vote is on Surye.

[Surye]

So you want to lynch him already?

We have to give him time to prove himself either excellent or mediocre don't we? My vote is on Surye.

OMGUS much?

[Adel]

So you want to lynch him already?

We have to give him time to prove himself either excellent or mediocre don't we? My vote is on Surye.

OMGUS much?

I don't think "OMGUS" means what you think it does... otherwise jumping at the chance to call OMGUS is a scumtell. my vote is on you as well.

[Surye]

I call him out, and he responds by just saying he'll vote for me, I thought that was OMGUS. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I'm not sure why else he would say he'd vote me without saying anything else as to why.

[Adel]

I call him out, and he responds by just saying he'll vote for me, I thought that was OMGUS. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I'm not sure why else he would say he'd vote me without saying anything else as to why.

actual sequence of events:
1. you voted for me
2. i voted for you
3. ecto voted for you
...
you call OMGUS on Ecto.

does not compute,
advise quicklynch of Surye under LAL

[Surye]

I call him out, and he responds by just saying he'll vote for me, I thought that was OMGUS. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I'm not sure why else he would say he'd vote me without saying anything else as to why.

actual sequence of events:
1. you voted for me
2. i voted for you
3. ecto voted for you
...
you call OMGUS on Ecto.

does not compute,
advise quicklynch of Surye under LAL

FoS: Ecto

for being too scummy to be scum.

I find it really convenient you left this out of your sequence, since that immediately preceded his call to vote me.

And to justify what I was saying, he's "playing" at having control of this game, that we'll lynch who he wants us to. I found this really suspicious as it allows him to say things with the fall-back of joking.

[Surye]

You added your self to the list of events, sorry, but you had nothing to do with it, I'm not sure why you think any of that was relevant.

[Adel]

you didn't call OMGUS on me.

he voted you

BEFORE

you placed a FOS on him.

I normally harass a player I am unfamiliar with in the beginning of a game to get a read, and the read I'm getting off of you is scummy as hell. I expect you see you lynched within a few pages.

[Surye]

he voted you

BEFORE

you placed a FOS on him.

Hmm, so you're right, I forgot the vote order since up till now it was mostly non-sense voting, and when he said his vote was on me, for some reason I was thinking he was

threatening

a vote on me.

I don't see how it's scummy as hell though. If his first vote was from the random voting stage, and after I FoS him, he solidifies it into a real vote, I still stand by my OMGUS. If it's not, then that means he actually meant something by his first vote on my, and that sets you and Ecto as having an agenda.

Either way, Ecto is implicated, so I think I'm on the right track, and the way you are responding makes me really suspicious of you.

[Adel]

he voted you

BEFORE

you placed a FOS on him.

Hmm, so you're right, I forgot the vote order since up till now it was mostly non-sense voting, and when he said his vote was on me, for some reason I was thinking he was

threatening

a vote on me.

I don't see how it's scummy as hell though. If his first vote was from the random voting stage, and after I FoS him, he solidifies it into a real vote, I still stand by my OMGUS. If it's not, then that means he actually meant something by his first vote on my, and that sets you and Ecto as having an agenda.

Either way, Ecto is implicated, so I think I'm on the right track,

and the way you are responding makes me really suspicious of you.

now

that

is OMGUS.

I do have an agenda: lynching you today. You are my target, and as many of the other players in this game know, I usually get my way on day 1. Any last words?

[Ectomancer]

Pattern baldness.

A bald tire is rubber without the tread.
A bald head is scalp without the hair.
A bald Eagle is actually white.

[shaft.ed]

I agree with Adel. I also found Surye to be trying to hard to look proactive before this broke.

unvote vote: Surye

Would any of the other eleven people signed up for this game like to post?

[Adel]

I told you you were part of the seven :0

[Rosso Carne]

wow, this thread is useless.

can we please get some real arguments for me to derail besides the usual Adel being the new BM?

dont like Adel right now.