Mini 591: Re-Infiltration - GAME OVER!

[Talmadge Monroe]

The first part of my Xtoxm/Poj theory came true, so I'm willing to vote for killa seven right now.

As for massclaiming, it's not a bad idea at this point. That's 3 nights of investigations.

[W!nt3r]

I gave a partial claim on day 2 so I'm going to ask that Killa and talmadge go ahead and claim before I full claim.

[alvinz95]

I gave a partial claim on day 2 so I'm going to ask that Killa and talmadge go ahead and claim before I full claim.

I see this as a move the see if there IS a cop, so if there isn't you can claim it. -.-

I'm pretty sure W!nt3r is scum. I don't think Xtoxm would just give away his partner by saying he is most townly (sibelius). I was deadly accurate about Xtoxm anyway.

Vote: W!nt3r

Still want a cop claim if there is one. If none, or if W!nt3r claims cop, lynch W!nt3r.

[Talmadge Monroe]

Sorry, I thought I had said it - I am vanilla.

[W!nt3r]

I gave a partial claim on day 2 so I'm going to ask that Killa and talmadge go ahead and claim before I full claim.

I see this as a move the see if there IS a cop, so if there isn't you can claim it. -.-

I'm pretty sure W!nt3r is scum. I don't think Xtoxm would just give away his partner by saying he is most townly (sibelius). I was deadly accurate about Xtoxm anyway.

Vote: W!nt3r

Still want a cop claim if there is one. If none, or if W!nt3r claims cop, lynch W!nt3r.

Good think i'm not a cop.

I'm a one shot vig who killed Ythill.

[W!nt3r]

EBWOP:

Killa needs to claim before I come to any conclusions.

[alvinz95]

I gave a partial claim on day 2 so I'm going to ask that Killa and talmadge go ahead and claim before I full claim.

I see this as a move the see if there IS a cop, so if there isn't you can claim it. -.-

I'm pretty sure W!nt3r is scum. I don't think Xtoxm would just give away his partner by saying he is most townly (sibelius). I was deadly accurate about Xtoxm anyway.

Vote: W!nt3r

Still want a cop claim if there is one. If none, or if W!nt3r claims cop, lynch W!nt3r.

Good think i'm not a cop.

I'm a one shot vig who killed Ythill.

There can't be another one shot vig, Anatole Kurigan was the one-shot vig. -.-

Confirm vote: W!nt3r

[Talmadge Monroe]

Anatole Kuragin, One-Shot Vig, is dead.


There's absolutely no way there were 2 vigs in this game.

vote W!nt3r

[StrangerCoug]

There'd be a counterclaim to the one-shot vig, but the person who would be able to do so is dead.

Vote: W!nt3r

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: Lynch minus zero, by the way.

[alvinz95]

Poj is the cop which explains his eagerness to get to night phase.

[W!nt3r]

Retarded players are retarded.

[somestrangeflea]

End of Day 4 Votecount

W!nt3r - 3 (alvinz95, Talmadge Monroe, StrangerCoug)

Not Voting - killa seven, W!nt3r

Given how slow yesterday was, you all decide to make today go a tad faster...

Twenty times faster.

Did it pay off?

W!nt3r,

One-Shot Vigilante

is dead.

It is now Night 4! Daybreak at Midday (BST) on Sunday 6th July.

[somestrangeflea]

It is now Daybreak. Day will dawn once choices are resolved and prods are sent out.

Note: These prods will be sent to any player who did not send in a choice, whether they had one or not. The prod is purely informative, and "real" prods will be sent to players who don't post within 4 days, as per usual.

[somestrangeflea]

Four become three...

alvinz95,

Townie

, is dead.

The crowd thins...

The end is nigh, it's Day 5.
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[killa seven]

hey im here, sorry i didnt get to claim yesterday, im a townie.
seeing as how its end game if we do have a cop claim lol.
i need to re read and see who is the last scum, please dont speed lynch today.

[Talmadge Monroe]

FoS poj

for rushing the day. We have very little decent information.

Poj enters the spotlight with a scummy post and Ythill immediately jumps in AGAIN with the FoS nonsense. In a game where we talk with our votes, why is Ythill so non-committal to these two players?

After the FoS, Poj piles up the votes and Ythill comes up with this gem:

Poj is @ L-2 already, so lets be careful.

Rofl is awfully antagonistic, which seems counterproductive if he's scum. Does anybody have a good meta read on him?

In Mini 539, Xtoxm was town. He didn't pressure lurkers early, but he did help hang a lurker at the end of D1. That lurker was the doc and the game was recent. I'd like to think he would have learned his lesson.

3 things of note here.

-Ythill finds Poj to be scummy, yet is afraid of him being lynched. Why is that? In addition to this, Poj was only at L-3 at that point in time, which Ythill later corrected. To me, this sounds like he was having anxiety about the potential lynch of Poj (again, despite Ythill finding Poj scummy).
-Ythill again undermines Rofl, who has gone after both Xtoxm and Poj thus far in the game.
-Ythill pushes the idea that Xtoxm is scum, despite the earlier and future FoS he would apply.

@ Coug: Two of your suspects rely on the assumption that poje is scum. Careful with that: confirmation bias.

C'mon people... post.

Another pseudo-defense by Ythill, this time for Poj.

I say go for it guys. I want to see a lynch, and I don't care if it's my own.

If MrB turns up town, I'll wholeheartedly support my own lynch

As for Poj himself, why is a townie so apathetic here? In my few games of experience, I've only ever seen scum use phrases like these. It's a pity defense and it's absolutely useless to help the town.


Finally, the only interaction Xtoxm and Poj have had was these posts:

Two in the joke phase

vote poj

Cos I don't like cats with guns...

vote poj

Cos I don't like cats with guns...

You're just jealous because my cat with a gun could take your albino with a katana to the cleaners any day of the week.

Ohhh, you've crossed

the line

.

You're going down.

Apart from that, not a chance in hell.

And an agreement with Poj about who the town should lynch:

Poj you pretty much brought up what I was going to say. I mentioned this yesterday and Ythill still didn't expand on it much, I suggested a SF-Ythill pairing, and the fact that Ythill has come up scum increases my suspicions of him.

Xtoxm said absolutely nothing about Poj's lynchwagon.
Poj didn't even acknowledge the Xtoxm suspicions on Day 2.
Poj is next.

Re-posting my poj argument. Nothing else makes sense to me, as I don't find Coug to be that suspicious.

[StrangerCoug]

Vanilla, vanilla, and vanilla. Apparently there is no cop. Let me reread your two cases.

[StrangerCoug]

If I missed anything important here, please let me know. I know this isn't everything, but if I didn't feel it was relevant I skipped it.

PBPA: Talmadge Monroe

#5: Random votes SensFan
#9: Calls pojedinac's vote on him catching on to his gambit and explains that he's usually called TM after about one post.
#34: Questions SensFan's vote on roflcopter, says that he doesn't agree with roflcopter's thoughts on Anatole Kuragin
#58: Buys Anatole Kuragin's answer for the most part to roflcopter's question as to why the former has to ask other townies who they think is scummy that it takes more than one vote to do anything.
#66: Unvotes SensFan
#83: Disagrees with PsychoBob's case on Anatole Kuragin's vote on roflcopter being OMGUS and states that roflcopter has been vote hopping, defends his lurker hunting as an attempt to get people active in the game
#85: Shoots off roflcopter's question saying that his belief that lurkerhunting is scummy is ridiculous
#87: Agrees with Evilgorillaz about lurkerhunting but continues to defend his doing so because voting for a lurker barely qualifies as starting a bandwagon, accuses roflcopter of trying to bandwagon
#92: Explains how lurkerhunting helps town, responds to roflcopter saying that Talmadge Monroe's opinion of scumminess "is not law" with roflcopter's opinion not being law either
#103: Disagrees with pojedinac about rushing the lynch and votes him for it
#108: States that relying solely on lynches and night kills for information is silly and often WIFOM
#131: Hopes for an explanation for SensFan's L-1 vote on pojedinac
#150: Unvotes pojedinac and votes Evilgorillaz for not giving a reason for his vote and pinning suspicion on further voters
#151: Defends #150
#204: States that he'd be willing to vote either Evilgorillaz or SensFan
#262: Expresses concern about Riceballtail's post having no new information and voting with the crowd
#301: Answers my question as to what a "majority majority" is
#326: Defends his shift from SensFan to Evilgorillaz during Day 1 and asks W!nt3r to explain his vote on him
#331: Explains active lurking, continues to defend the shift, and attacks pojedinac and W!nt3r for blaming him for said shift while ignoring the fact that they both thought Evilgorillaz was scummy
#336: Says that W!nt3r's case is based on two people thinking he is town' attacks Riceballtail for voting for him because RBT didn't have a vote out during the lynch and never voted for Ythill1, who RBT believed was Talmadge Monroe's scumbuddy; votes Mr. Blonde for his baseless FoS
#347: Attacks Riceballtail and me for voting Anatole Kuragin for joking about Ythill1's bah post being code
#364: Brings up Xtoxm/Ythill1 connection, defends his vote on Mr. Blonde
#387: Provides Mr. Blonde with his case against SensFan, who MB replaced
#389: Explains L-1 logic
#403: Detailed post about his thoughts about a pojedinac/Xtoxm connection and votes for the latter
#422: Unvotes Xtoxm for doctor claim
#434: Attacks Riceballtail for mistaking Anatole Kuragin for pojedinac, votes pojedinac because he doesn't want to lynch an uncontested power role
#445: attacks alvins95 for rushing the day, mistakenly states that W!nt3r hasn't posted his case
#452: Responds to W!nter's reminder of a case with the fact that he didn't see it
#466: States confusion as to why Riceballtail didn't immediately counterclaim Xtoxm
#467: Mentions that Riceballtail only counterclaimed when was about to get lynched
#471: States that the earlier the counterclaim, the better
#472: Attacks Riceballtail's massclaim request
#477: Thought that W!nt3r hammered Riceballtail
#478: Realizes that W!nt3r was already voting for Riceballtail
#492: Posts thoughts on Riceballtail and Xtoxm
#497: Leans towards voting for Xtoxm over Riceballtail because the former hadn't defended himself and Riceballtail is relatively new
#507: States that I have to give in to my temptation to say something that I'm afraid will make me look like a hypocrite
#512: Is unable to find anywhere where Riceballtail is scummier than Xtoxm
#513: Unvotes pojedinac/Sibelius and hammers Xtoxm
#525: Expresses willingness to vote killa seven since Xtoxm flipped scum
#528: Claims vanilla townie
#532: Votes W!nt3r since "[t]here's absolutely no way there were 2 vigs in this game"
#541: Reposts case on pojedinac/Sibelius/killa seven

PBPA: pojedinac/Sibelius/killa seven

#7: Random votes Talmadge Monroe for his name being too long
#12: Unvotes Talmadge Monroe and random votes alvinz95 because he is allergic to names with numbers in them
#36: Unvotes alvins95, votes SensFan, and asks the latter to explain why his vote isn't random
#50: Buys SensFan's explanation that he's testing for reactions, unvotes him, and pressure votes Anatole Kuragin
#96: Says he believes in lynching lurkers and attempts to speed up the game, unvotes Anatole Kuragin and votes OG Smokedank
#99: Defends his rushing by saying that "we won't have

any info at all

until we lynch someone", reaffirms that he wants the game to go faster
#100: Adds in a word forgotten in #99
#124: Unvotes OG Smokedank
#127: Says he wouldn't have voted for lurkers if he were against people talking, defends his case on why he wants the day over and says Day 1 "is for lynching townies who said one thing too many, or were just very unlucky"
#395: Stated that he would support his own lynch if Mr. Blonde flipped town, pojedinac's last post
#475: Sibelius's only post
#521: killa seven's first post
#540: Claims vanilla townie

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: Holy smokes, I thought I typed more about pojedinac than I actually did. Probably forgot to copy and paste.

[Talmadge Monroe]

I'm waiting to hear what killa has to say.

I've reviewed Stranger's posts and the only thing legitimately scummy I can find is the deal with AK's "bah" post, simply because that took away from actual discussion. It seems more like a misunderstanding, however.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, this is missing from pojedinac's PBPA:

#203: Defends my connecting Anatole Kuragin and Riceballtail to him as why he wants a lynch sooner rather than later
#207: Said that the town agreed to disagree about lurker hunting
#226: Complains about the fact that there isn't a lynch yet, asks why the town is afraid of a mislynch
#243: States that he, Evilgorillaz, and SensFan are the clear-cut lynch candidates
#253: Atacks Ythill for splitting the town vote
#267: Unvotes SensFan ans votes Evilgorillaz only because the latter is closer to a lynch
#320: Votes Mr. Blonde for SensFan's actions
#353: Asks alvinz95 why he needs to make the game even weirder by voting for himself

Those should be the only things missing.

OK, explanation on who I'm willing to go for:

I have never suspected Talmadge Monroe from what I remember, while I have voiced suspicions about pojedinac. He seemed to not care about being lynched and was trying to rush the day on several occasions. I want to wait for killa seven before I vote for him so we can hear what he has to say about Talmadge Monroe and me. The last thing we want to do is lose.

[killa seven]

Thanks for giving me a chance to post guys.
Sc thanks for posting that pbp that helped alot. im willing to lynch TM his play on rice vs xotm seemed fishy voting x then unvoting.. then hammering him to appear town. seemed to distance himself from ythill through out the game.
his last post saying he re read coug and didnt find anything scummy but one post seems like hes tryna buddy up to coug since he allready attack me/poj thoughout the game, i doubt he really went through cougs posts.
anyways im gonna vote

TM

[Talmadge Monroe]

im willing to lynch TM his play on rice vs xotm seemed fishy voting x then unvoting.. then hammering him to appear town.

He claimed doctor. Why would I intentionally push a doctor to lynch? When riceball counterclaimed, I didn't believe him right away, simply because it took him a long time to counterclaim. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that riceball fakeclaiming doctor as scum would be the dumbest gambit ever. As for "hammering to appear town" - I originated the case on Xtoxm. It's not like I flopped on at the last moment.

You also accuse me of not reading Cougars posts. Yet, you apparently came to the same conclusion I did, in that Cougar is town without even discussing why. How is that conclusion suspicious, coming from you or me? All you've done here is voted for me simply because I've been after you/poj.

You're grasping at straws.

vote killa seven

[StrangerCoug]

As I have said, nothing Talmadge Monroe did has set off my scumdar. I only set off his once by voting Anatole about the code thingy. pojedinac, however, has set off both of ours. He's been rushing, trying to get himself lynched, and engaging in wishy washy voting.

I also don't buy your accusing Talmadge Monroe of buddying up with me in one of his posts since you didn't tell us which one.

I believe Talmadge Monroe's post and will trust his word. If it turns out TM is scum, then I congratulate him for successfully staying under the radar and not doing anything suspicious to me once for 22 pages, and anybody able to do that in a mini normal gets a big cookie from me.

Here goes nothing...

*takes deep breath*

And...

Vote: killa seven

Lynch minus zero.

Game over.

I'm shaking here...