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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:58 am

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Merlin has to be DK or FA.

Okay so lets look at DK day 1 - He calls out exactly 3 names: gooble, shiro and
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Meantime FA is tunneled on gooble, hesitant on shiro and never mentions DK

What is the conclusion? DK is merlin, who called out the whole scum team and FA is morgana, because she is unaware about DK.

Even if DK just got extremely lucky and FA flips green then this game is solved on page 16. FA green means that turkey is scum and DK is the last scum by the process of elimination.

All we needed was to hide merlin identity and this game would be easy.
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:00 am

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In post 592, Frozen Angel wrote:I had no Percival.

I drew too much attention to myself cause I had to.

I did what was right in that sense - and I will repeat doing that again and again.

Kerest was one of the worst players of this game because they had to do what I did instead of me and they didn't till I died.

You on the other hand - you played well. I used your name cause I thought cause of your voting style I can fool scum you are merlin.
don't blame town, once shiro was lynched you gained another ML (because 1 less scum means lylo doesn't happen until 5 players left). you can play around that. I think you put too much gas on the accelerator, don't be afraid to let town lynch wrong. just keep feeding reads to the percival.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:01 am

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In post 625, Kerset wrote:Merlin has to be DK or FA.

Okay so lets look at DK day 1 - He calls out exactly 3 names: gooble, shiro and
FA

Meantime FA is tunneled on gooble, hesitant on shiro and never mentions DK

What is the conclusion? DK is merlin, who called out the whole scum team and FA is morgana, because she is unaware about DK.

Even if DK just got extremely lucky and FA flips green then this game is solved on page 16. FA green means that turkey is scum and DK is the last scum by the process of elimination.

All we needed was to hide merlin identity and this game would be easy.
yeah, FA was my early merlin read that I threw out just to be cheeky.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:01 am

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apology accepted.

I take responsibility for my mistakes and I take my share in this loss. I still think the gambit was worth it to try in this game looking at player base - what they have done and the direction the game was going to. I somehow managed to give the reads to real percival so town wouldn't be without those and tried to make bait for scum in the hope they don't choose me as merlin cause before that point I already dropped so many hints I'm merlin that no one in town picked up and I was kinda sure scum is already leaning on me being merlin cause of those. so I decided to go with it.

and thanks DkKoba! great game!
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:02 am

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I mentioned dk as scum read on day 1.

at day 1 I was thinking goble is morgana I changed my mind when we went to day 2.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:03 am

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@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:03 am

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Merlin doesnt know which of the three scum is morgana. They just know the three scums.

I pushed 2 of those 3 on day 1 and somehow none end up to be morgana
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:04 am

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In post 630, gobbledygook wrote:@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
we thought chemist was morgana
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:04 am

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we said that in thread
several times
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:06 am

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In post 473, Wonderwell wrote:
In post 471, Wonderwell wrote:VOTE: Chemist
I think this is what we want after discussing what we think
This is the correct play to make today.

FA claiming Percival made this game harder by several orders to magnitude. The good news is that Chemist is morgana, it makes no sense for chemist to be anything else than morgana, and a chemist flip will allow us to gamesolve immediately.

-Farkran
To be even more clear, if you are referring to this post - which i think is the only one where i addressed you specifically - it did not imply that you played poorly. It was part of the wifom to let the PR stay hidden, because at the time we had you as either persival or VT and we didn't want the info to be safely published.

Note that, if scum were to pay any attention to our play, it would have been impossible for us to be persival and therefore our counterclaim is completely void. I still don't know how scum could possibly believe that Wonderwell as a persival made any sense, but before shooting in the dark note that we have been considered as merlin just slightly less than klick and we still lynched all scum, so i wouldn't describe this town as a group that played "badly" overall. Scum had a 20% base chance to guess merlin randomly, they managed to narrow the pool to 3 people and raise their chances to 33% but i also don't know why they ruled out of chemist.

pedit: if we can restart our discussion on neutral ground, without any offense given or taken from both sides - i know that our reads weren't perfect, but i mean, we were VTs and you were merlin. Of course we could be way more accurate with our reads, but i think you could have had a bit more faith in the town lategame instead of drawing attention, that's the "biggest" mistake you made in this game imo and it's not such a huge mistake to call you a gamethrower, not nearly enough
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 am

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chemist needed to play more boldly imo to be merlin read.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 am

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In post 632, Alisae wrote:
In post 630, gobbledygook wrote:@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
we thought chemist was morgana
In post 633, Alisae wrote:we said that in thread
several times
I thought you guys were lying lol. Like I thought that was all theater :lol:
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:09 am

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also tbh I didn't say any reads that I wouldn't have normally. Goble was such an obvious scum with his actions in day 1 to me. I still think my case on him is valid. I actually started pushing him without remembering he is one of the 3 scums and his action, before lynch in a combination of the way he played throughout the day, was just all a combination of a scum mindset.

and I didn't really push shiro. I said he is ehhh cause of the way he said I'm 100% town which would be my exact read on shiro even if I wasn't merlin.

You guys just didn't know me and my playstyle at all so my behavioral analysis came out weird to you.

You all had goble cleared - I think cause of meta. I couldn't get it at all.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:10 am

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Right after the DK lynch I had convinced myself that WW was merlin pushing me as misdirection

FA was like the last person I was considering as merlin

good thing I didn't roll scum in this setup lul
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 637, Frozen Angel wrote:You all had goble cleared - I think cause of meta. I couldn't get it at all.
Yeah I felt I was pretty obvscum this game too, was so surprised I won the 1v1 against you
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 635, DkKoba wrote:chemist needed to play more boldly imo to be merlin read.
Here's the paradox though since I never play that boldly

If something's off with that, I'm obvious merlin

But since most of this playerlist is pretty familiar with me, they'd know that, and I'd know they know that, so it's really a classic case of WIFOM

just bad luck that all the scum were in the half that didn't
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:12 am

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I like purposefully pick and choose my games to maximize fun and minimize not fun (read: I avoid scum at all costs) so I actually have very little basis for how to properly play scum :lol:
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:13 am

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In post 636, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 632, Alisae wrote:
In post 630, gobbledygook wrote:@fark & ali, I thought you were Persivul because you called obvscum DKtown and obvtown FA scum so I was like they are persivul just totally mixed up
we thought chemist was morgana
In post 633, Alisae wrote:we said that in thread
several times
I thought you guys were lying lol. Like I thought that was all theater :lol:
we also said Fa was not pers
we played a very delusional game imo
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:13 am

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In post 641, gobbledygook wrote:I like purposefully pick and choose my games to maximize fun and minimize not fun (read: I avoid scum at all costs) so I actually have very little basis for how to properly play scum :lol:
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:14 am

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those happen from time to time :shifty:

I'm not anticipating joining any games for the next month or so, but sure!
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:14 am

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no
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:21 am

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In post 592, Frozen Angel wrote:I had no Percival.

I drew too much attention to myself cause I had to.

I did what was right in that sense - and I will repeat doing that again and again.

Kerest was one of the worst players of this game because they had to do what I did instead of me and they didn't till I died.

You on the other hand - you played well. I used your name cause I thought cause of your voting style I can fool scum you are merlin.
I would win this without you saying anything. Your silent death + morgana lead were enough info to brute force scum lynches. The fact that you were slipping unnecessary information like chemist not being morgana pointed at you being merlinhunter. The only reason, why would you give us more intel then 1 scum and 2 towncore leads (which is enough to win lylo in any scenario), means that you wanted to see our reactions to those claims and find merlin.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:23 am

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Of course you would.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:23 am

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This doesn't make sense though like

Clearly Merlin is gonna get tilted if no one is listening to them
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:25 am

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I didnt do that gambit cause I was tilted. I did it cause I thought its the right play.
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