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[shellyc]

Should the masons claim so the investigative doesn't waste time on them?

this isn't newd3 lol

specifically, this is a closed setup, where we don't know anything about it.

plist looks really AWESOME imo
Ydrasse - I can read her pretty well from my experiences, has a real spark/solvy tone as town
shellyc - I'm obvtown
Iconeum - pretty good player? better solve this slot quick
Datisi - When scum has obviously less enthusiasm as town
GeorgeBailey - George 'The' Bailey himself.
Staarling - I can prob read newbs pretty well
MiniMegabyte - obvscum when scum
Gypyx - idk don't have much real experience
innocentvillager - can read this slot, less lamisty as town and has stream of consciousness

VOTE: Ico for the iconic execution

[shellyc]

shellyc - will scumtell

I've got an 83% WR as scum smh

[shellyc]

staarling doesnt seem coached at all with that page1, I tend to think newbscum in such an experienced plist sound more coached?

so light TR there early on

[shellyc]

staarling doesnt seem coached at all with that page1, I tend to think newbscum in such an experienced plist sound more coached?

Like it's very clueless/not knowing what is going on and having confusion about the setup and not knowing about RVS stuff

[shellyc]

WIFOM WIFOM

If they try to manipulate their meta it'll seem quite forced. I also may or may not have lied on these methods.

[shellyc]

hot take: gypyx doesn't make me want to instantly kill him to he's probably town

why do you think that's townie

pedit: that is not an alt opening and masons knowledge prob has other site experience

[shellyc]

Hot take can this game not be 100+ page D1

I specifically signed up for the 9p normal because of this

(And the plist and the mod and the mod impersonating as a player)

I'm a high volume poster but eh. I think I have more self restraint in micros

[shellyc]

because last time i was town against scum!gypyx, his page one posting made my stomach turn and i was tunnelling him until he died

and compared to that, this is like... Better

gutreads?

the first post is RVS
second is explaining to a newb
third is setup spec

none of this is AI??

[shellyc]

ok tone readslist

Ydrasse - not here
Iconeum - scumlean the offhanded town comments seem pretty lamisty
Datisi - townlean reading gypyx is pretty effort-y
GeorgeBailey - not here
Staarling - townlean posting isn't artificial at all
MiniMegabyte - not here
Gypyx - null, totally cant read this slot
innocentvillager - gut reads pretty town? the vibe seems rather similar to their townself from my experiences with the right amount of clowning and questioning

[shellyc]

2169 was a weird game honestly, datisi performed pretty well at scum there, so i'd advise checking him out, but others are up to if you feel like making effort

2169 me was screaming my own meta and getting misexe'd.

datisi prob worth ico as well

[shellyc]

can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

formatting/structuring = town?

kinda a stretch ngl

[shellyc]

Also, I want to know if this is based on any meta of me or just purely my name, lol

you're innocent until proven guilty

[shellyc]

Is it the fact that it looks like she is putting effort in towny or is it specifically like, the format of that post

Like what distinguishes the effort in formatting from general effort or is there no distinction at all and it’s all towny?

why do you constantly answer the jokey parts first and not this

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Basically, the fact that this is in a list makes me think that like, shelly is trying to structure thier thoughts, of course scum could do that, but they're not really incentivized to as the more thougths they tell, the more attention they get / the faster we get out of RVS

"Shellyc posts well, fluidly as scum, doesn't necessarily have a rigid scum!trajectory either"
making readslist is strictly NAI and you're finding a bad reason to TR me

[shellyc]

because last time i was town against scum!gypyx, his page one posting made my stomach turn and i was tunnelling him until he died

and compared to that, this is like... Better

which is a better reason than gypyx is giving because apparently making a readslist is AI

[shellyc]

*which is a better reason than gypyx is giving for his reads because apparently making a readslist is AI

[shellyc]

*which is a better reason than gypyx is giving for his reads because apparently making a readslist is AI

and also instead of like, joking datisi posts his take on gypyx which is attempt to further the game vs. continue joking

[shellyc]

and here we have it

the first scumtell

(and i'm only half-joking)

+1

I rescind my scumlean on Ico, you're seeing what I'm seeing

[shellyc]

disclaimer I think everything I have posted so far is in my scumrange

[shellyc]

interestingly enough i'm still leaning +town on gypyx because of tone, posts like 60

yeah but how is that townie? it's saying your "getting out of rvs is town" basically

[shellyc]

ok datisi is townleaning too many people I am gunna pre-emptively deny that WK

gypyx is trying to make something out of nothing with the TR on my readslist which is really cheap imo

[shellyc]

Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

see you are self aware as well lol
you know that's a bad read but you state it
...

[shellyc]

i was gonna start worrying if you're bsing your read on me and trying to pocket me because that's *not* what efforting means, but then i remembered pushing you as scum because of dumb semantics like that which makes me think it's nai for you

disclaimer 2: yeah I'm bad at semantics, a lot of my defense will prob contain screaming about my meta, I also hate playing town

[shellyc]

nah

[shellyc]

I hope this isn't a serious post

why would you assume that it isn't

are you afraid of the Shellyc Tunnelling

[shellyc]

ok datisi is townleaning too many people I am gunna pre-emptively deny that WK

i have townleaned *checks notes* TWO people

also what makes you think i'm townreading you?

yeah but in my mind I think you have stated gypyx townlean a LOT of times so if that makes sense

[shellyc]

who is username

[shellyc]

UNVOTE: Iconeum

gypyx can you obvtown please i don't get your town vibes yet unlike datisi

[shellyc]

You're saying i chose deliberately to townread shelly, then tried to BS my way into TR'ing him, at page 2? I think you can see where this is getting ridiculous

your thought process seems like
ok I'm gonna TR shelly
oh shelly made a structured readslist let me TR her for that

which is fitting evidence to reads which is scummy

[shellyc]

Because the argument is just weak and based on meaningless rhetorics?

gypyx why are you dismissing the SRs on you without like. directly responding to how they are weak. you've called them out as "weak" or "ridiculous" but not explaining why.

[shellyc]

what's your feels on me now?

pretty good

I get those townvibes and going against consensus on gypyx from me/ico/iv seems pretty bold as scum especially with gypyx

[shellyc]

ok VOTE: Gypyx

the first one was also... not a readslist. it was my opinions on the playerlist.

ico/datisi/iv/staarling/me is max. 1 deepwolf
ico is just rather obvious town seeing what I'm seeing
iv is calling out gypyx BS
datisi explained in 118
staarlings play does not feel coached at all

[shellyc]

anyway shelly is making my gut machine go "???" because she's both (1) giving me scummy vibes of changing reads illogically/posturing/having "fake" posts and (2) reminding me of 2169 where they were town

I have not changed any of my reads in this whole entire game and you probably underestimate how terrible my towngame is

[shellyc]

Oh shelly made 2 readlists interesting
Yeah seems like okay stuff, i like the effort
"Shelly town guys"
OMG YOU CAN'T TOWNLEAN SOMEONE FOR MAKING READLISTS GYPIWX OUTED SXUMFUCK GUYS

i do not consider making a readslist effort at all and most of all, I only made 1 readslist and I didn't even do any isos and blurted out my tonereads...

and also, you stated that it was because of "structure", not "effort"

[shellyc]

Well, if you're just gonna poke at me for misusing words don't mind if i ditch the conversation

structure and effort are two different things...

you literally had two different explanations for your TR on me.

[shellyc]

anyway shelly is making my gut machine go "???" because she's both (1) giving me scummy vibes of changing reads illogically/posturing/having "fake" posts and (2) reminding me of 2169 where they were town

I have not changed any of my reads in this whole entire game and you probably underestimate how terrible my towngame is

idk i got a bad vibe from you townleaning me for tone then accusing me of white knighting because i was townleaning too many people

in my mafia dictionary WK is a term for town pocketing so...

that was also not very serious

[shellyc]

that word does not mean that in everyone else's mafia dictionary

*searches up wiki*
a tactic used to subconsciously become perceived as less of a threat by another player. While this is usually done by scum, Townies have been known to do this as well.

[shellyc]

I think I want to return to this at some point despite it being a bit of a stretch here, just noting for now

do you think it's AI aorn?

I think answering the jokey parts before the AI parts is something I subconsciously do as scum, tbh.
Answering AI parts first is a good way to get more attention.

[shellyc]

The thing is that... what am I even supposed to do, I get a read that's bad / illogical, if i defend it i'm scum for stubbornly defending that read, and if I drop that read i'm scum for being indecisive and not really having a direction

You see the problem? There's no good option for me, a bad read will get me scumread even though i'm just trying to fucking figure out the game

And getting caugth for the wrong reasons is also a thing that happens for town except every reason is a wrong reason

why did you even post the bad/illogical post in the first place though?

[shellyc]

Because i thought it wasn't bad

why did you think its bad now when people start pushing you for it?

so you thought giving readslist was townie first and changed mind cause people disagreed?

[shellyc]

also shelly seems ~different~ this game but not in a way that makes me like, instinctually think she’s one alignment or the other; maybe it’s recently that we played together and i’m biased but i don’t feel the same spark in her play that’s normally there.

@shelly: are you trying to play a little different to how you normally do this game?

yes you're right. I'm trying to not tunnel and chill out more and also I have less time for this game than I usually would for a mini normal

[shellyc]

if i had to say one was scum over the other i'd say shelly rn. that being said i also think i lean towards scumreading shelly on instinct because her luck at rolling scum precedes her + i have more familiarity there.

disclaimer and not very game related: I realised I have random odds in games I play from the start just newbie scum replace out rates are reeeeeally high

[shellyc]

also, i don't think that ico + shelly are scum together just for how it panned out; they both scumread gypyx but shelly was the one (imo) who was more actively pushing/questioning and ico seemed to be more casual about it all (but this just might be how ico acts in general.) i don't think that maf together would both hop on the same person early on like that.

Do you think proactiveness/direct interrogation is alignment indicative? or are you scumreading me for another reason

[shellyc]

I think Gypyx and Ydrasse are townies!

explain gypyx maybe

might have been confbiased last night so would like to hear from more in the town!gypyx camp
ydrasse seems to be doing more and had a decent amount of takes in their opening that wasn't consensusy, tripped town metatell there as well that I wont go deep into yet

[shellyc]

And the other reason was that I think the quote at the bottom of his posts is quite townie, like he doesn't want to show off about people calling him good at being a townie to make us want to keep him around, instead he's showing off him being a very solid mod.

LMAOOOO

are you gunna give me cred for posting scumplay quotes

[shellyc]

I think he was really angry and where I played, mafia were less likely to get angry or really emotional, sometimes they fake it but this time it looked real to me.

(may be biased since I like to AtE sometimes) eh. not the biggest towntell but town emotions are usually due to them knowing the person you scumreads them are WRONG, and scum emotions are due to knowing the person who scumreads you is RIGHT and you are FOUND OUT, so theres a subtle difference

I think what gypyx doing is the latter as he's thinking that he's trapped in my interrogations

[shellyc]

lol I dont change my sig from game to game, and I'm pretty sure nobody else does
Signatures prob not AI

[shellyc]

i’m very tired and skimmed this and have to go to work so i won’t be active for a little longer BUT i’ve a town read on iv; his line of questioning so far this game reminds me a lot of 2163 where he was town

oh and is 2193 is weird GB flavour game or launch mob

[shellyc]

it also seems like a dumb take to think someone decided on page 2 they were going to townread a specific player like that. it seemed very chalant in the way it was posted which... meh. if gypyx really had an agenda i think they'd try a bit harder with it.

ehhhhh

why do you think the way gypyx decided to townread me isn't a tryharded agenda
what do you expect scum!gypyx to do there if you TR them rn

[shellyc]

also, i don't think that ico + shelly are scum together just for how it panned out; they both scumread gypyx but shelly was the one (imo) who was more actively pushing/questioning and ico seemed to be more casual about it all (but this just might be how ico acts in general.) i don't think that maf together would both hop on the same person early on like that.

if i had to say one was scum over the other i'd say shelly rn. that being said i also think i lean towards scumreading shelly on instinct because her luck at rolling scum precedes her + i have more familiarity there.

this is a townpost

gunna elaborate later when I'm not in shitposting mode

[shellyc]

also, i don't think that ico + shelly are scum together just for how it panned out; they both scumread gypyx but shelly was the one (imo) who was more actively pushing/questioning and ico seemed to be more casual about it all (but this just might be how ico acts in general.) i don't think that maf together would both hop on the same person early on like that.

if i had to say one was scum over the other i'd say shelly rn. that being said i also think i lean towards scumreading shelly on instinct because her luck at rolling scum precedes her + i have more familiarity there.

this is a townpost

gunna elaborate later when I'm not in shitposting mode

ok actually I'm going to explain this now
so yeah. there's analysis about how me/ico s/s is unlikely, but that's not the townposting part
basically there's a take and it's assertiveness which isn't TMI'd but there's self-reflectiveness which comes from town a lot of the time

[shellyc]

it's not the reaction itself, but more so his behavior as a whole which i feel will become like... easier to discern? at least for me, personally. like, at this point gypyx has been sort of isolated as the Main Person Pushed and that puts a spotlight on him which is hard to escape at this point, unless he does some Really Good Posting in which... well, uh, right now i don't think a scum!gypyx would be able to pull that off given the heat thus far which would indicate he's town.

but by being isolated/pointed out i feel that a) it's less likely that he will be able to get things by us as scum if he goes down bad roads, b) it gives him a unique position to try and point out (if he's town) who/where/etc he thinks the pushes are shitty/scum-oriented, and c) it's probably not going to be forgotten. to me, gypyx's push/reaction is the first big ~moment~ of the game and that's more likely to stick in people's minds than not.

i wasn't thinking of it as him just... slipping up though, admittedly. i tend to think that that sort of thing happens less likely than people want it to (bc it would make shit so much easier) so my brain goes straight to "scum are Doing Everything With Purpose."

idk! i just wanna give him some room to recollect, see what happens. worst case i am an idiot and everyone was right and you may point and laugh at me.

why does this feel like filling space up with words

[shellyc]

okay, so... is this a recent choice, is there anything in particular that makes you want to do this?

because i'll be real: my tinfoil theory here is that you're in a playerlist with a decent amount of familiarity with you and you might've, if you rolled scum again, decided to make a conscious effort to differentiate this game from your other scum games. the absence of tunneling/passion wigs me out when it's coming from you.

yes, I think after the boardgames game tbh, idk I just wanna have a large range of moves as either alignment and I also want to like. calm down more and not tunnel forever with one scummy thing because confbiasing is bad.

eh. i said before that everything I've posted so far is in my scumrange, and it still is. what do you think my scumgame looks like with your theory that I decided to expand my scumrange suddenly?

[shellyc]

it's not the direct interrogation so much as it felt like when you were doing it, you were making it a bit tougher on gypyx every single time to match the standard of what would be "good" or townie replying/action. i already posted that 140/142 especially make me go :/. like, there's a difference between questioning someone and trying to figure out what he's up to and asking them things in a certain way where no matter what, he's gonna come out of it looking bad and that's what my qualm is with the push.

ok I am not used to paragraphs ydrasse (fwiw i think this is actually AI but will come back to this Later)

yeah I was making it tougher for him to be townie to my standards in hindsight and that's my confbias kicking in. you've experienced that before as well.

is your TR on gypyx a matter of "the pushes on them are bad" or do you think gypyx TR of me is genuinely townie?

[shellyc]

datisi what are your thoughts on ydrasse's opening

[shellyc]

it's the latter; i've very much thought those same sort of things before and been like, "oh, this seems townie because they are trying super hard early on" so i vibe with it. the only time that i've disliked gypyx's posting was around 120, but even then it's like... is he actually caught out for the wrong sort of reasons or is he just super frustrated. i've been there. so i wanna give him some time to see what happens.

sounds projecty + first readslist was not a readslist but ok

ydrasse iv ico datisi staarling max. 1 deepwolf

ydrasse read is very metaheavy but basically. i don't think scum ydrasse high efforts this like how they're playing rn. and scum ydrasses play is more CLATS-ish this is different

[shellyc]

can you explain this in non-mafia lingo? because i feel like i'm reading a buzzword salad without actually knowing what it's trying to say

maybe. might be hard.

like ydrasse isnt afraid to make differing takes on gypyx going against the consensus of {ico iv shelly} town {gypyx} scum but in a way that isnt super confident so doesnt sound informed

ydrasse town immediately townpings usually i think this is it

[shellyc]

this is mine

[shellyc]

PAGETOP

[shellyc]

ok another reason why i TR staarling is they're efforting. in my mafia dictionary efforting means trying hard to solve this game. and they are doing it, albeit doing it in weird ways like sigs and pagetops.

[shellyc]

she's trying really hard to pocket me/gypyx.

which parts sounded pockety or is it the general vibe that theyre against me/iv/ico's kill gypyx block

[shellyc]

you kid, but i'm reading your posts further and i feel like it's either the biggest mindmeld ever or the biggest pocket ever lmao

ydrasse do you like pocketing/faking mindmelds as scum

[shellyc]

ok i'm not sure what that has to do with the analysis of you/ico being not s/s?

did you quote wrong post

198 read on ydrasse is independent to read on ico.

[shellyc]

ok i am retracting my townread on datisi so far.

my gut just got paranoid feels with the mindmeld. i think 207 was more natural than datisi's

[shellyc]

i'm gonna be real with you my main focus when i play scum is to force myself to post because i hate it.

but in all reality it's not something i feel i try to do (at least lately) but i smile when it happens.

my favourite part of playing scum is townblocking with someone else

[shellyc]

shelly, would you be mad if i told you i hope you get voted out today so i don't have to be paranoid all game

why are you paranoid about me i am sortable and you can read me.

i'll be mad.

[shellyc]

and it's the general vibe of "that blocc wants to murder gypyx, datisi comes in saying why he thinks it's a bad read, ydrasse comes in saying the same thing in a ~somewhat similar manner"

maybe i'm paranoid because one of my main ways of looking for townreads is Looking For Mindmelds, but

whoops i missed that part. eh.

/pass this explanation

pedit: theres no way to be 100% sure whos town/scum in early game. thinking hypothetically is rather town imo?

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oh and @staarling

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pedit: yeah that part was more... minor?

[shellyc]

staarling so i dont have to dig up 88/85 from ico's ISO, it can autolink back to the post

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daddy

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lesson learnt to pay attentions to pedits even if they look like shitposts

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@Datisi: the first thing I thought was that you could be mafia together because you're defending it and it was trying to call both of you town >:) but if you know how it plays and is always like this and someone else can also say the same, theeen I'd trust what you're saying.. and back to a square one on Iconeum

@everyone: has anyone else played with Iconeum?

played with town ico once, i'd +1 to datisi being the expect on Ico and +0.5 to datisi's info because i dont have the biggest sample size

[shellyc]

If you're really paranoid about that you can read some town!Ico games through their profile

why do you think if comes from scum more than town? Town should and can liberally make townreads

[shellyc]

VOTE: staarling

so sorry you rolled scum, my daarling

do you think the effort put in is indicative of newbscum

theyre trying to solve albeit in weird ways and making reads. so not sure how you got there

[shellyc]

readslist time again

ico - this is obvtown, bold and unafraid to push, uninformed tone
ydrasse - town!ydrasse is the most obvious thing in the world and this is it
iv - there's engagement and a lot of direct interrogation which is a town trait
staarling - very efforty play imo. newbscum also often sound really mellow. or afraid to make FoS. this is the opposite of that.

datisi - im kinda conflicted here because faking a mindmeld is something datisi did as scum, i also got paranoid gutpings from that so eh.

gypyx - explained

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ok i don't get this. first you townread me for reasons of going against the thread on gypyx. ok cool. then ydrasse comes in doing the same thing. i say that either she's town or she's faking a mindmeld with me.

now i'm suspicious because *i* was faking a mindmeld with *someone else*?

you're not in scumzone. I just lost a shade of trust in you because i think you did the same thing in the random facts game to garner a TR from menal so there's that. might be confbiased on this.

[shellyc]

can confirm, being pagetop hungry is not AI for me

re: dats mindmeld i feel you're capitalising on a similar read to attempt a pocket
again im too paranoid so take this maybe with a grain of salt

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UNVOTE:

don't think staarling is that bad after my catchup

reeks more of eager town then actual scum pushing

finally you see the light
if scum!staarling thats actually pretty damn impressive solving and proactiveness

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you kid, but i'm reading your posts further and i feel like it's either the biggest mindmeld ever or the biggest pocket ever lmao

yeah so ydrasse is in the "don't kill gypyx" camp alongside you.
you TR ydrasse having the same thoughts as you
you are aware that it is a mindmeld and so selfaware that you'll be seen as pocketing

does this make sense yet

[shellyc]

wouldn't it make more sense for datisi to just be trying to pocket me by pointing out similarities in our thoughts/playstyles this game rather than it being a self-conscious tell where he's trying to compensate for being read as pocketing pre-emptively? especially given that... my thoughts came after his?

it feels like you're taking some convoluted paths here, logically.

thats when i start evaulating whether theres confbias involved because im always confbiased.

fwiw i now think im actually confbiased

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confbiased on what? datisi being scum?

obviously

rereading i feel like ydrasse/datisi is a weird block that TRs gypyx because their trajectory on me was not scummy enough
i think im inclined to lose a shade of trust in people who are not immediately obvtown and have differing takes than me

i dont think gypyx/datisi team is a thing as well

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shellyc (hard push, based on reasons which are meant to be solid but they aren't, ofc i know shelly's meta but i'm not letting her off the hook like that)

i think almost the whole plist knows that my inconsistencies is ammunition for scum to push on for a free misexe?

what do you think is different from my towngame here?

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You seem self-aware of your pushy / "inconsistent" nature yet when going on me you didn't try to like, control that nature

I also have trouble imaginating that you actually thought that some stuff i did was coming from scum

ok i cant like suddenly stop my tunnelling tendencies in one day.

gypyx are you uh townbinning the people that call you town

[shellyc]

confbiased on what? datisi being scum?

obviously

rereading i feel like ydrasse/datisi is a weird block that TRs gypyx because their trajectory on me was not scummy enough
i think im inclined to lose a shade of trust in people who are not immediately obvtown and have differing takes than me

i dont think gypyx/datisi team is a thing as well

okay, so, the thing is like... regardless of your confbias, why was your first thought about datisi posting the mindmeld "he's self-conscious about it being seen as pocketing so he's posting this to avoid it!" (unless i'm like, misunderstanding here) instead of "he's pointing out the mindmeld to pocket."

the latter is a LOT more straight-forward + something i feel is a lot more obvious and i kind of... don't get why you didn't start there.

because i overthought things
do you think me not thinking of the straight forward thing is ai

[shellyc]

Well, i kinda instinctively wanna townbin them, but i'd just say datisi is +town and ydrasse is neutral (mainly gut feeling)

uhhh both of them have created content, why don't you try comment on their content?

like ydrasses tinfoil theory on me having a meta mutation and datisi's push on me

[shellyc]

mmmm.

i think it's slightly scummy to come up with the convoluted reason rather than seeing the one that's laid out in front of you.

yeah but alas scum!me is informed and i dont think informed people come up with weird reasonings

[shellyc]

...eh? what would being informed have to do with weird reasoning? like, you know who's town so you're consistently stretching to try and frame things as scummy/make it up.

because you know the alignments of people scum is more likely to pick up on towntells that town might miss and therefore would usually use the more direct reason, and also that scum are aware that weird reasons might look bad

and also creating content hasn't been a problem for scum!me fwiw

[shellyc]

"Shellyc posts well, fluidly as scum, doesn't necessarily have a rigid scum!trajectory either"
making readslist is strictly NAI and you're finding a bad reason to TR me

I don't see scum saying this at all

this is imo a scumtell if it isn't explained further?

mini is usually really paranoid about me and my scum-rolling tendencies

[shellyc]

The only reason that is, is because you majority of the time roll scum which to be honest i dont know if its a good thing or bad thing lol

nah scum is fun
sometimes I struggle to post as town because its like being a fish in a big pond y'know?

pedit: ico talk to me about minis entrance, it pinging either way for you?

[shellyc]

mini actually feels like coming into this game and getting a foothold if you know what i mean

getting your bearings

she's commenting on what i'd expect comments on, so yeah

i like the opening

hmmmmm ok

ico can you make a readslist? i wanna see where you're at because I'm gonna bet the game on town!you

[shellyc]

@mini probably need your reads on all the active slots so far, I especially want to hear about datisi and ydrasse

fwiw etrance seemed fine just it sounded a little weird with the townbin of me, but its more reasonable than gypyx's

[shellyc]

Can i do this when i have read the whole game so far? I am up to page 7 right now and am quite slow due to being unable to move much cause i have hurt my back really bad

oh sorry, thought you finished catching up

[shellyc]

1 scum in (shellyc/Ydrasse) and 1 scum in (GB/gypyx)

wait george baily is in this game?

whats your SR on ydrasse from?

[shellyc]

Just a thing why do i feel like most of the posts in this game are made from shelly? I swear i am reading more posts from shelly than anyone else

because I love to shitpost at work

[shellyc]

2) it's a really loose read, but i feel like shellyc v Ydrasse can come from scum/town (and i don't really have any other kind of solve rn) but it feels right

so pure gut?

I'm town
ydrasses posting is just an explosion of goodness tonally, their meta mutation theory is really bold and I think out of their scumrange tbh, they're excited to solve obviously and unafraid to throw themselves into the spotlight

[shellyc]

ico take a minute to read ydrasse's iso and tell me what you think

[shellyc]

mini can you do those thoughts on dats and ydra now

also can we spoiler gifs so MS doesn't take centuries to load ico?

[shellyc]

To be honest i really havent got anything that particularly stands out but from what i have read.

Ydrasse: Im really not knowing how to sort them/read them aorn. There is some things that ping as scummy but also things that ping as townie.
Scummy posts = 197, 207 - this one to me just doesnt make sense
More townie posts = 274, 280

So honestly no idea how to read them rn

i mean yeah. i think town ydrasse's biggest capability is obvtowning, they arent super solvey but her tone is usually excellent as town
197 is clearly a joke, and 207 considering the gamestate being split into two camps almost doesn't read bad

[shellyc]

Datisi: They are strange to me but they are someone i have never played with before so ive read just their posts and i dont know really. Its just weird i dont know how else to explain it. They talk about town readin people and then go to ask people why they themselves are town and it is really making me struggle to read them

"townreading" and "asking people why they are town" is pretty proactive solving don't you think? that furthers the gamestate

[shellyc]

In ISO, other then the *NewbScumTell Opening TM*, it's a pretty townie ISo so far

by newbscum tell do you mean the uptight hi thing or what

p-edit: mini is this game "follow shelly's reads" for you for some reasons? cause you're usually really paranoid about me

[shellyc]

it feels like it fits the gamestate rn

hmmm ok I see what you're getting at
the two camps are "gypyx town" and "gypyx is scum"
you think they're 1 scum in each
you TR iv so it's me from the scum camp, and you TR dats so it's ydra from the town camp

[shellyc]

actually, iv might fit as well

why do you SR iv?

[shellyc]

i have something of an early solve in my head, with brackets that need sorting
do i specifically scumread everyone in my solve as of right now? no

they are there because poe and current game state and gut

my early PoE is gypyx/GB/dats/deepwolf pool

this feels like a game in which I can get multiple TRs

[shellyc]

i dont think mini is as townie as the other TRs but seems less narrativey/more content than their scumgame

i think minis scumrange is pretty weak and scum!mini struggles with producing content, so their takes seem pretty townie so far

[shellyc]

ico can you make a readslist? i wanna see where you're at because I'm gonna bet the game on town!you

this is actually genuinely making me uneasy

like i at this point wouldn't bet the game on ico being town

why are you so confident on it?

are you not expecting ico!town?

can you tell me one post from ico that pings you?

[shellyc]

rereading i feel like ydrasse/datisi is a weird block that TRs gypyx because their trajectory on me was not scummy enough
i think im inclined to lose a shade of trust in people who are not immediately obvtown and have differing takes than me

his trajectory on you was... fine.
and where tf did the second line come from, when earlier one your main reasons for townreading me and a big reason for townreading ydrasse was the fact that we're going against the ~blocc~ on gypyx and that's towny?

yeah but that's situational you see because a lot of the plist was scumreading gypyx at that time

...eh? what would being informed have to do with weird reasoning? like, you know who's town so you're consistently stretching to try and frame things as scummy/make it up.

because you know the alignments of people scum is more likely to pick up on towntells that town might miss and therefore would usually use the more direct reason, and also that scum are aware that weird reasons might look bad

if this is about your push/scumread/ping/whatever on me being convoluted, what does "scum is more likely to pick up *towntells* becaue they're informed" have to do with "scum is less likely to make up convoluted *scumreads*"?

change the word towntells to tells and yeah.

[shellyc]

Datisi: They are strange to me but they are someone i have never played with before so ive read just their posts and i dont know really. Its just weird i dont know how else to explain it. They talk about town readin people and then go to ask people why they themselves are town and it is really making me struggle to read them

"townreading" and "asking people why they are town" is pretty proactive solving don't you think? that furthers the gamestate

is this like, an opinion you yourself hold or?

its an opinion I hold but I wont give a townpass on that itself

[shellyc]

i'm expecting ico!town
i'm townreading ico and the only thing i could stretch into a ping at this point in time is maybe weird reads dissonance between the two of us

but i'm far from betting the game on town him

so again, why are you so confident?

because they're by far my hugest TR

iso-wise theres active pushes on gypyx that vibes with my own, and constant evaluation of different slots (for example the staarling thing where they were pushing there but then read further and decided that it was townie) and general boldness in play

[shellyc]

ok but i don't get why you're like goading mini into townreading me if i'm in your PoE or whatever?

nah I'm telling mini that they were being inconsistent with their logic since they TR'd me for being "proactive" or whatevs

[shellyc]

i'm expecting ico!town
i'm townreading ico and the only thing i could stretch into a ping at this point in time is maybe weird reads dissonance between the two of us

but i'm far from betting the game on town him

so again, why are you so confident?

because they're by far my hugest TR

iso-wise theres active pushes on gypyx that vibes with my own, and constant evaluation of different slots (for example the staarling thing where they were pushing there but then read further and decided that it was townie) and general boldness in play

i have read dragon's iso, yes

it's not locktown, at page 16

like the boldness ain't locktown

how many games you got with ico?

1, but I did a metadive on them yesterday

i have something of an early solve in my head, with brackets that need sorting
do i specifically scumread everyone in my solve as of right now? no

they are there because poe and current game state and gut

my early PoE is gypyx/GB/dats/deepwolf pool

this feels like a game in which I can get multiple TRs

also i feel like i absolutely hate this
from being townie on me for going against the grain then reversing on that same read with the same reasoning
going "gut scummy on me" then saying she missed my explanation and /passing it then still saying it's gut scummy while not actually being in the scumpool? even tho it was showed her reasoning for suspecting me is like, completely backwards
then dropping me into the PoE

like i see i'm getting sunk lower and lower because of ??? reasons

i didn't reverse the read for that reason
you're in the poe because you're not in my townpool and i repeated my townpool 100000 times

[shellyc]

i'm expecting ico!town
i'm townreading ico and the only thing i could stretch into a ping at this point in time is maybe weird reads dissonance between the two of us

but i'm far from betting the game on town him

so again, why are you so confident?

because they're by far my hugest TR

iso-wise theres active pushes on gypyx that vibes with my own, and constant evaluation of different slots (for example the staarling thing where they were pushing there but then read further and decided that it was townie) and general boldness in play

i have read dragon's iso, yes

it's not locktown, at page 16

like the boldness ain't locktown

how many games you got with ico?

I agree that I shouldn't be locktown, and I'd like to believe that my play so far is in my scumrange.

That said, I do think i've been towntelling more then 'normal' for the stage of the game

ehhhh i like to have confidence in my reads

[shellyc]

thats a bad vote

explain it

[shellyc]

I have bad feelings

is that it

can you quote the posts that give you bad feelings

[shellyc]

bolded purples mine

why does that reaction make you scumlean ico?

ohhh

i think we are t/t this game?

stating that dats is probably towny isn't pingy at all?

l m a owhy am i town ico, i thought i was scumy with gypyx? :3

because there's 2 scenarios

1) ur actually town, and u are in your town meta of bad reads
2) ur scum, and i need to you think i'm townreading you so you don't kill me

this is basically the reverse of TMI because early game town are never 100% sure on everything

I think Gypyx and Ydrasse are townies!

Datisi less so, but I also have good feelings from him

I really liked Cyber Stockholm Syndrome, Ydrasse :>

VOTE: staarling

so sorry you rolled scum, my daarling

sussing ico directly for sussing you isn't great.

UNVOTE:

don't think staarling is that bad after my catchup

reeks more of eager town then actual scum pushing

do you think ico rereading -> re-evaluation is scummy? because imo if you have trajectories of reevaluation that's quite +townpoints

if u'll excuse me

i have to go and find an ice pack to put on my ego

t'was because mini called ico a newb when ico had 2 years on site

i felt invincible prior to this game

pls mini

while i still have some dignity left

t'was because mini called ico a newb when ico had 2 years on site

and now ur gonna go 'oh my gosh ico, you don't sr him but he's in your solve? thats so scummy'

right?

ok fair sounds kinda self aware but ico clarified what the solve meant and it was basically a poe

[shellyc]

I have bad feelings from Iconeum, innocentvillager, and GeorgeBailey so far

do you mainly read from gut feels?

staarling if you think ico is scum you prob need to make that clear why you're scumreading ico so others may join your wagon upon understanding where you're coming from, most of those quotes are unworthy for an SR and it kinda feels like you're working backwards with this? like thinking "ico is scum" then quoting which is fitting the evidence to your reads which is scummy

[shellyc]

staarling i think you're not used to a more direct playstyle of push first ask questions later which isn't scummy of itself

[shellyc]

no, I have bad feeling because of those posts

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm not that confident!! but it's enough for me to want to vote for Iconeum

that's a... really vague reason and I can't gauge your alignment from that

if you are town and you see ico as scum why aren't you trying to get people to see what ico is scum as well

[shellyc]

EBWOP: if you are town and you see ico as scum why aren't you trying to get people to see ico is scum as well

[shellyc]

why are you defending Iconeum so much? is it both of you together?

earlier when Datisi was trying to vote for you and asked Iconeum for help, he also just said he was watching and said nothing about you

>:c

i think almost all of this plist can confirm I prefer bussing as scum but eh...

why are you deflecting onto me/ico instead of uhhh responding to my countercase?

[shellyc]

I don't know for all of them!!! they're just feelings so if I tried to explain I feel like I'd be making some reasons up.. maybe I shouldn't be voting if I can't explain everything fully

pressure votes are fine I guess but if you spin an SR into a pressure vote that's weird

gut feels are fine and I use them *stares at dats* but eh. i just want to poke at you to make you see the townieness in ico that I see

[shellyc]

well, considering there being 3 mafia in a micro is next to impossible...

why does this feel more like a 6p than a 9p

[shellyc]

i didn't reverse the read for that reason
you're in the poe because you're not in my townpool and i repeated my townpool 100000 times

yes you repeated your townpool 100000 times and i was in it

until you started sussing me either for the GuT FeEl that didn't make sense given circumstances or because you were rereading the posts and came out with a different context than they were posted in (if i missed anything, do link me)

like i'm using scumpool and PoE interchangeably but i think my point is clear

no you were in it until yesterday. i have already removed you from my townpool which is

ico/iv/staarling/ydrasse

i think you're like null i guess? recent posting was pretty good actually

[shellyc]

staarling do you prefer mafia or town

VOTE: un vote
UNVOTE: Sirius9121

aaand also whats the mod doing

you can't unvote the mod...

[shellyc]

contemplating voting GB here

doesn't GB have like. 1 post

I'd have expected more of a catchup actually.
feels like the wagons are stale atm

[shellyc]

that opening is hella uncharacteristic for town!him I think

whats GB's town opening then and how is it different from here. lurker =! scum

I've only seen mod!GB but fwiw i would be happy with joining a flashwagon to freshen up the gamestate

[shellyc]

and now you're saying my recent posting is "pretty good" so you'd think i'd actually be a townread but nope go into null!!

you were on the scum zone of things and the recent posting moved you back up into null does that make sense or should I get some coffee

[shellyc]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

didn't you SR me most for my pushback onto you

Among the peoples that push me, i'd say that from least to most suspicious about the way they're pushing : innocentv (actually looked like he was trying to figure me out instead of piling up reasons) ico ( didn't do that much, but his reasons for scumreading me kinda crumbuled when looking at them) shellyc (hard push, based on reasons which are meant to be solid but they aren't, ofc i know shelly's meta but i'm not letting her off the hook like that)

didn't you TR IV most (scumreaad them the least)?

[shellyc]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

didn't you SR me most for my pushback onto you

Among the peoples that push me, i'd say that from least to most suspicious about the way they're pushing : innocentv (actually looked like he was trying to figure me out instead of piling up reasons) ico ( didn't do that much, but his reasons for scumreading me kinda crumbuled when looking at them) shellyc (hard push, based on reasons which are meant to be solid but they aren't, ofc i know shelly's meta but i'm not letting her off the hook like that)

didn't you TR IV most (scumreaad them the least)?

also that’s E-3 only, takes 5 to exe

don’t feel like voting with my biggest scum!candidate at this point

[shellyc]

actually

VOTE: GB

that opening is hella uncharacteristic for town!him I think

your VCer doesn't;t detect the word "GB" as georgebailey i think

[shellyc]

morning thread

ydrasse i am officially disappointed

re: dats I think the posts asking staarling to explain their scumread on ico was pretty solvey

[shellyc]

Not getting any scum vibes from shelly so far, which is frightening because shelly is actually quite good at scum.

Comparing to Newbie 2019, shelly feels less tunnel-y. In 2019 she would sort of latch onto someone for long periods of time as sort of a vanity wagon.

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tunnelling is nai for me

ok that entrance was really underwhelming. if you use newb 2019 you'd also know mini is kinda timid as town.

[shellyc]

VOTE: georgebailey

mini is naturally timid as either alignment tbh, I think town!mini tends to be less narrativey and more solvey which is what minis trying to do by sorting ydra/my slot

staarling is like a UTR
binning town!me for a random reason and considering that at least one player has played with crazytunnelling town!me its not a valid tell either

[shellyc]

Because it's so common for scum to make fence-sitting posts like these.

I think scum!me called mini out for the

exact same thing

in newbie 2019 (will double check later but im pretty sure it was some combination of confusion + fence-sitting)

also fwiw i actually think fence-sitting is kinda a towntell early on that you don't have a huge amount of confidence in anything except your own alignment

[shellyc]

Your ISO is huge.

why don't you try at a time you're available and read it before you townbin me? instead of using meta in my very first game on MS?

[shellyc]

GB what do you think about dats slot right now

I think there is more than one scummy post in this game made, and singling out mini for not having 100% confidence in ydra's alignment is ???

[shellyc]

nothing here move along- sirius

Sorry that was a freaking altslip you can redact the hydra post mod

[shellyc]

what the fuck

top of page24 rage filled 1v1s are anti-town and I know that through first handed experience

[shellyc]

VOTE: innocentvillager I have bad feelings from the way he's arguing with Datisi :<
like he's getting annoyed for the sake of it

no I have firsthanded experience of iv selfvoting out of frustration and this is prob town!AI for iv actually

I should reread dats posting tho
this mainly sounds like a clash of styles "explain this" "no i don't explain things"

[shellyc]

the ydrasse gut townvibes have weakened I still think they're town just eh. not so much.

this sharp dropoff of posting prob contributes to this weakening as well.

[shellyc]

i think i caught this before it got erased (though correct me if i'm wrong), it was asking what iv thought of me, and asking me why i was pushing ico to answer questions about his reads when i said 98% of my reads are gut reads

i asked what do you think of iv

i like to ask unrelated questions in the same post you got a problem with that

[shellyc]

ok throughout this game dats seems to make very pedantic pushes which is weird? and probably scum!AI as well

[shellyc]

ok ydrasse goes up

i reread boardgames and I tried to not be biased
think scum!ydra will never be so high effort

[shellyc]

pedantic is a very specific word choice. can you point out/explain what you think is pedantic of datisi and why?

maybe not the word pedantic but I'll try explain
dats pushing iv for not explaining their reads feels weird when data often has "gutreads" and gutreads arent easily explained. and not explaining reads seems like a clash of playstyles that i'd expect either iv or dats to realise that its a shitfight.

[shellyc]

like, i get an Off vibe from mini that looking through her posts. i don't think that timid is a right word really, but it does feel kind of stilted;

mini probtown
they're lhf as either alignment but scum!them is (from iso in newbie 2024)
- overapologising on lack of activity
- narativey
- reads arent really fleshed out/explained in detail at all

ofc my sample size is only 1 but I don't think there's that much improvement in scumrange

[shellyc]

also @ydrasse i would like you to flesh out your datisi trajectory a bit more
are you still TRing there

I think
ico
iv ydrasse
staarling mini
dats
GB gypyx

[shellyc]

ico seems really firepower-heavy this game and disagreeable which is another reason to TR them

so. ico talk to me about where your rough solve is now. has it changed?

[shellyc]

the ydrasse gut townvibes have weakened I still think they're town just eh. not so much.

this sharp dropoff of posting prob contributes to this weakening as well.

ok ydrasse goes up

i reread boardgames and I tried to not be biased
think scum!ydra will never be so high effort

in between these two posts. ydrasse posted six (6) posts, and four of those were one-liners

s o h i g h e f f o r t

i wasn't referring to how high effort ydra was between my posts
- ydrasse being really solvey d1 with good tone as well feels like her towngame
- me: ok this is probtown but can ydrascum do that?
- me goes check ydrascum games
- me concludes no.

[shellyc]

because (1) i always try to explain my reads to the best of my ability even if it's difficult but more importantly (2) those two things (my reads and ico's reads) have nothing to do with eachother???

this kinda sounds like projecting a projection but ehhh?
feels like if you often make unexplained reads you're less likely to call people out for unexplained reads

[shellyc]

and why are you acting as if i'm scumreading iv because of the shitfight?

I assumed you would but do you have a read on iv based on the shitfight then

[shellyc]

read triangles are cool is there a template/software for making them

i guess its been pretty consistent with what you're pushing
i have so many seconds thoughts on your slot today but i cant find a way of putting it into words yet I'll prob sleep on it

[shellyc]

shelly i don't care about

What

also this looks like scumtisi. Feels more like shading me/IV without really making attempts to read us. Will flesh this out a bit more later when I’m off work

[shellyc]

ok so Datisi feels really cornery with iv/me interactions
I ask datisi on their iv read basically, then dats starts rambling on about how my questions arent being related and how scummy I am, which is shading me instead of answering my questions, which is pushing an agenda play basically.
same thing happens with iv. which is really +scumpoints imo. and there's no effort to solve iv, only shading iv by saying that iv isn't fleshing out their reads, which feels really insincere

VOTE: Datisi

[shellyc]

this game is more efforty for ydrasse compared to previous scumgames? i miiiight go check out boardgames if necessary later

no offense but ydrascum struggles to create actual content and likes poking at lurkers quite a lot as well

[shellyc]

there is a real possibility they are blatantly trying to establish each other as deepwolves but I somewhat townread ico even indepedently of that

i don't think ico/dats is a real thing tbqh, and them loltownbinning each other isn't partner at all

[shellyc]

ico towncase dats why is that town

[shellyc]

651 lamisty scumpost imo.

datisi you still haven't answered my questions and have opted to shade me, which is scummy

[shellyc]

IV has expressed reads on everyone in the game despite them not being really in-depth

i think dats making it top priority for iv to make content is weird, why iv and not. any other slot like mini/staarling.

[shellyc]

UNVOTE: Datisi
basically the way I like to get reads is by pushing people and seeing what happens. I did that with datisi in mini normal 2175.
I read dats-iv into dats basically pushing iv with an agenda and shading at first.
so I really feel that titanic struggle to prove yourself as town. and I don't think this is AtE as well, it's coming off as really genuine, and feels like datisi under my pressure is still trying to get something out of iv, and this is more like questioning and I can see where datisi is trying to sort iv now with iv being the obtuse one. which I like.
kinda wanna go back on gypyx actually

[shellyc]

answering rest of those questions tmr probably I wasted too much brainpower on sorting dats

[shellyc]

hi bm

im feeling like shit today and skimmed but re: datisi I'm still townlean-ish on iv due to earlygame similarities to town!him but this war between iv and dats seems like white noise.

[shellyc]

ydrasse thoughts on iv vs ydrasse now asap

i think you're actually the most obvtown in this gamestate aorn, ico has kind of fallen off their town-ness

[shellyc]

you think i'm townier than staarling?

i have newbie paranoia sorry but staarling is in townland

[shellyc]

im currently townlean on dats tho
might change my mind every few hours

mainly because there's a clear struggle/effort to prove themselves as town/their thought processes with iv when pushed and the deja vu thing doesn't sound fabricated

[shellyc]

what? because ydrasse goes in directly against your now scumread of datisi, and has unexplained brackets?

if this is ydrascum i will self vote

its not because of gamestate its because this is outside ydrascum range

[shellyc]

ico seems really firepower-heavy this game and disagreeable which is another reason to TR them

so. ico talk to me about where your rough solve is now. has it changed?

oh it's changing all right

whats making it change though

[shellyc]

quote the shading posts

i said 100 times that I mistaken it as shading when tbqh seems like questioning now but at first I think whole shitfight with iv seemed like iv: I'm not explaining reads dats: that's bad yet dats didn't really read iv if that makes sense?

[shellyc]

563 seemed like dats going hey iv give me explanations its concerning, while not directly sring iv, which is discrediting

[shellyc]

in between these two posts. ydrasse posted six (6) posts, and four of those were one-liners

s o h i g h e f f o r t

This is pedantic post #1

p-edit: I read people by pushing them and when I get town!feedback I stop.

[shellyc]

ydrasse can I cheat and skim that wall

[shellyc]

what happened to the pedantic and shading post style datisi had?

i mean I kind of see it as not shading now

because originally my interpretation of dats vs iv was iv not making content for whatever reason and dats pushing iv to give content yet not really making a read on iv
when it escalated i think dats was proactive in hindsight and asking iv for their reads yet iv was really obtuse tbh.

I'm feeling eh about iv nowadays

[shellyc]

i need to read a shelly towngame to see if this feeling lets up and i am just being a little insane but man.

there will be a day where you don't scumread me as town and townread me as scum.

one day.

[shellyc]

what happened to the pedantic and shading post style datisi had?

i mean I kind of see it as not shading now

because originally my interpretation of dats vs iv was iv not making content for whatever reason and dats pushing iv to give content yet not really making a read on iv
when it escalated i think dats was proactive in hindsight and asking iv for their reads yet iv was really obtuse tbh.

I'm feeling eh about iv nowadays

hi bm

im feeling like shit today and skimmed but re: datisi

I'm still townlean-ish on iv

due to earlygame similarities to town!him but this war between iv and dats seems like white noise.

are... are you sure about that?

yes.

earlygame iv was good nowadays iv is bad
late trumps early in most cases

[shellyc]

i do not Scumread iv and that slot is my high priority reread later ftr

is BM georgebailey replacement? entrance didn't ping either way hard but was a little lamist

[shellyc]

...but in those two quotes, you say you're eh but clearly you think that iv is still worthy of a townlean with that early game outweighing the "white noise" that was iv/dats, so the later parts of the game clearly aren't trumping the earlier.

I'm free to change my mind when I will + I thought more about dats with ico.

[shellyc]

also extremely curious what I did that made me drop on shellyc's reads

ico i feel like your read on datisi is weirdly confident and not re-evaluated at all since rvs.

[shellyc]

Shellyc's read progression these last 5 or so pages is so absolutely terrible that i'm gonna dedicate an entire post to it soon

i realise my scumread on datisi before terrible therefore I'm now townlean on datisi

[shellyc]

you scumread datisi

because he asked iv to explain reads

and wasn't scumreading iv yet?


datisi's been asking iv for reads so they can form a read, as clearly stated multiple times 'i can't get a read on this slot'
so datisi keeps asking for reads

and you go all 'omg dats isn't scumreading iv despite asking for reads?'

iv not giving reads is alignment indicative of its own, since it can be interpreted as obtuseness/lack of compliance with datisi

[shellyc]

my read on datisi is stronger now that he's being pushed by shellyc and iv
i've got *extensive* experience with them
i am also very much paranoid about the slot, but with what i see here there is no reason to scumread them at all

uhhh ok?

what exactly townpings though? since "no reason to SR" is indicative of nullread

[shellyc]

so shellyc, you say you read people by engaging with them and then coming to a conclusion

so why did you scumread datisi for trying to engage with iv and trying to come to a conclusion?

datisi did not push iv in the early stages, datisi tried to poke at iv for explaining their reads (and did the same to you at a point as well)

a lot of datisi play was a bit like
person x: this person is town for [reason]
datisi: ok but why

[shellyc]

ico i feel like your read on datisi is weirdly confident and not re-evaluated at all since rvs.

this

[shellyc]

was that 1 post you quoted literally all you had on the 'pedantic' item?

idk how to explain it but I think the person x: this person is town for [reason]
datisi: ok but why

was a little pedantic/overfocused on others explanations on their reads as well

[shellyc]

i mean dropoff wasnt that big + i did research on ydrascum that kind of raised ydra's position in my townzone which makes you not my #1 townread

[shellyc]

staarling is UTR atm and townreading consensus town isn't unreasonable.

[shellyc]

i mean dropoff wasnt that big + i did research on ydrascum that kind of raised ydra's position in my townzone which makes you not my #1 townread

the way you described me dropping off in your reads was very shadey

ico: makes a super strong tr on someone that I've been going back and forth on
me: hmmm this is weird from ico maybe ico isn't that locktown

does that make sense or ?

[shellyc]

VOTE: Gypyx

im going to bed and debating whether to pre-emptively claim at this point

[shellyc]

will vote today: gypyx, BM, mini?

gypyx/BM is a thing tbh, gypyx pushing BM but not voting in critical points is pretty telling

[shellyc]

also Gypyx is still voting me despite me being a top townread lol

its an rvs vote lmao

join me on gypyx please

[shellyc]

VOTE: Gypyx

im going to bed and debating whether to pre-emptively claim at this point

lol?

[shellyc]

i'll not be active for the next 12 hours do you want claim or not

[shellyc]

mini is basically a poe read at this point, I think I could also vote for iv GTH

[shellyc]

i will not be able to claim if you push me to e-1 in the next 12 hours I'm going to claim if no objections

[shellyc]

why is mini in your PoE, and not in your townbin if you 'know' mini would obv!scum if scum?

reading your posts, it doesn't look like mini has been obvscumming to you so they should be townread, and not in your PoE?

I'm accounting for scumrange expansion and also their few posts are pretty much TRs of me and null on ydrasse.
do you think someone obvscums in literally 10 posts.

[shellyc]

im pre-emptively claiming before E-1 so when my wagon dissipates we have more time to get to gypyx

I'm a

Town Gunsmith

. Yes, ungated. Yes, I may well be the only tpr.

crumb #1:

i think almost the whole plist knows that my inconsistencies is

ammunition

for scum to push on for a free misexe?

crumb #2:

ico seems really

firepower

-heavy this game and disagreeable which is another reason to TR them

so. ico talk to me about where your rough solve is now. has it changed?

[shellyc]

NOW OFF ME AND ON GYPYX EVERYONE BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME

answering other questions tmr, good night thread

[shellyc]

before i get nightkilled

datisi townlean
ico town
ydrasse (idk my autocorrect is starting to make this ydrascum) town
staarling town
iv/mini could vote either but not top priority
gypyx/GB scum

[shellyc]

my 12-p normal TBD is in signups

the sacrifices I'm making

[shellyc]

weak crumbs

imagine crumbing seven-dimensionally

i don't like word sequence crumbs so best I could do

[shellyc]

with a gunsmith added to town power to make it right

hell yeah

gypyx those are terrible solves btw.

[shellyc]

Anyways, i think the solve is either ico / ydrasse or ico / iv here

i'm… Always in your solve?

Even with all my memeing?

ico-ydrasse: the two most town people atm
ico-iv: why would ico side with dats and push iv? if they were scumbuddies?

[shellyc]

the gunsmith requires BM to vote gypyx now

can you read that iso and tell me what you think at least