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NorwegianboyEE GLADiator
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You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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really town, and not just slow-rolling.In post 398, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If he’s real?In post 394, Battle Mage wrote:
i agree - it will be exLo tomorrow if username is being real.In post 391, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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i don't tbh, but it's not confirmed. half the players on this site slow-roll as scum.In post 400, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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NorwegianboyEE GLADiator
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Tbh i’m really paranoid about you. You hammered so fast today instead of letting us talk. And your riding that towncred from the dumbtell a bit hard right now.In post 399, Battle Mage wrote:
because i obvtowned with my idiocy on Day 1, unless you really think that was a gambit (in which case, thanks I'm flattered!). I don't think anyone comes up smelling of roses from these day phases otherwise, and nobodies voting behaviour makes them conftown.In post 397, iamausername wrote:i mean you insisted on an execution of a Chosen townie yesterday then speedhammered town today
i don't know why you think you wouldn't be suspicious at this point
i'll share more thoughts tomorrow if alive.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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What is slow-rolling?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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lol is someone trying to set you up BM?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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just abt to go into work now but ill give the game a proper reread laterretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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if i have a strong read that im not the chosen imma honestly just selfretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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did we ever confirm if there's only one chosen remaining scum still gets endgamed?In post 412, DkKoba wrote:if i have a strong read that im not the chosen imma honestly just self-
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That's how i interpreted the rules. Scum cant endgame the chosenretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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that's incorrect - I asked the Mod again during the night, the 1 remaining chosen is basically useless. We need to flip scum today to win.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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in a never-before-seen move during ExLo, I'm going to re-read the ENTIRE GAME in full before doing anything.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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Omg lmao yeah i just reread the rules it says you need both alive. So as soon as ben died scum were pretty much feeling more relaxed.
BM why did you ask tho?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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the rules were pretty ambiguous. i asked on Day 2, and still hadn't got an answered. I figured there was a good chance I'd be alive today so it would matter.
i think it's possible scum didn't know the rules eitherShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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well this isnt the lylo i was hoping for. maybe i should have kept my poe to myself :Sretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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im currently leaning outworld over you BM, mainly bc u actually hammered italiano.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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as i read back, it strikes me that if Dkkoba is town here, he could've put in a bit more effort to engage and give some views to allow himself to be sorted. likewise, if Outworld is town...his early targetting of Ben was unfortunate.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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opening-vote distancing. a classic scumbuddy move.
i don't really get good vibes from this, but nothing major.In post 18, OutWorldER wrote:I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh
curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.
again, not the best. too many words to say very little. Minor townpoints for willingness to engage. But deduct those for only engaging in a defensive way - Outworld answered my questions, but didn't ask me the same back, although he did challenge me on 1 thing.In post 26, OutWorldER wrote:
I would've had to metadive people in order to give you a proper answer to that and as it stands I've done none of that so I can't really give you a proper answer.In post 21, Battle Mage wrote:
im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?In post 18, OutWorldER wrote:I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh
curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.
Outworld immediately jumps on Benhalkum's first post (who we now know was Chosen).In post 39, OutWorldER wrote:
who and what are you responding to with this, I'm somewhat confused.In post 28, benhalkum wrote:I wouldn't have.
I would have stayed quiet a bit longer to see if there was a trail I could tag in on before casting my first vote.
This is why it's curious to me that for random initial voting, we already have people with two votes on them.
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interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.In post 9, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.In post 8, Battle Mage wrote:
genuine question - why?In post 6, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.
If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?
not engaged, until...In post 67, DkKoba wrote:
noIn post 24, Battle Mage wrote:keen to get everyone's answers to that question - or failing that, a good justification for why you won't answer. (spoiler: there is no good justification for that)
this vote came a bit out of nowhere. Dkkoba didn't seem to think Italiano was scummy - he hadn't commented on it previously, and Italiano hadn't posted since Dkkoba's last. Yet he was suddenly very excited and as conspicuous as possible, making the biggest possible show of eliminating Italiano. In this setup, if Dkkoba-town, it's a dubious play.
In post 73, DkKoba wrote:but what if we lolhammered scum within the first 3 hours of the gameIn post 74, DkKoba wrote:SPEEDRUNIn post 75, DkKoba wrote:is this ur partner norweeIn post 81, DkKoba wrote:do itIn post 84, DkKoba wrote:why are you so concerned?
Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it. Also half-hearted attempt to set up a Norweg-elim off the back of it.In post 91, DkKoba wrote:or maybe they're caught scum ggez
a performative style of vote, screaming "look at me". More likely a time to distance, so indicates dkkoba-scum.In post 98, ItalianoVD wrote:Lol not hammer goofy Koba!
But I will do this
VOTE: Koba
So eager. OMGUS
Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it.In post 112, DkKoba wrote:ggwp
town points. no reason for OutWorld-scum to mourn his lost compatriot like that. at the very least it goes against basic scum instinct.In post 118, OutWorldER wrote:what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Italiano seeming confident. Not sure he'd have much faith in Outworld winning from this position, given his previous post above. Dkkoba though? he got his distancing vote in before the end, and Dkkoba also had played the part.In post 123, ItalianoVD wrote:Battle Mage is my kind of guy. Don’t go after him tomorrow though. It was a simple mistake. I’d look more at Midwaybear for trying to get me to claim.
overall I love the 2nd half of this post - lots of good town vibes here. Doesn't seem remotely informed, casts the net wide and isn't afraid of throwing some shade despite being all alone.In post 126, OutWorldER wrote:I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.
If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.
However, the first part is just copying someone else's rationale (which was actually a weak rationale anyway) and is a bit of a change of course from the initial "wtf is going on", so slightly less town.
maybe dkkoba is just a genius town.In post 135, DkKoba wrote:
scum postIn post 126, OutWorldER wrote:I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.
If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.
nice reads Norweg, there's scum in that solve.In post 146, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I am a teensy bit paranoid Dkkoba is big braining everything. But it could just be someone with slightly fake posts like Outworld. I wanna see their posts before i place votes though.
so Norweg thinks it's Outworld.In post 147, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I think it's probably just an early busser tbh.In post 140, T-Bone wrote:ItalianoVD - 5 (benhalkum, OutWorldER, iamausername, DkKoba, Battle Mage)
I agree with Midway's logic here. Normally these early flips on scum happen because a wagon forms, and their partners hop on late to distance/bus. which would imply Dkkoba.In post 148, midwaybear wrote:We were just lucky that we speedwagoned scum. If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.
Umlaut is a weird kill yeah.
slightly scummy - I think Dkkoba-scum is more likely to sell this than Dkkoba-town.In post 149, DkKoba wrote:nice im chosen.
If he's scum, Outworld's 2 locktowns include 1 Chosen. If Outworld-scum believes he needs to elim both Chosen to win, this is backing himself into an impossible corner. My gut is that Outworld didn't know the rules which would suggest he's town for this, but it's possible the Mod gave scum an edge.In post 152, OutWorldER wrote:Trying to wrap my head around this current situation.
BM and Koba locktown, I agree.
Opens with a vote for the Chosen. Looks bad, especially as:In post 152, OutWorldER wrote: Norwee's thought processes look similar to my own at this point so I've got a minor townlean there. I'll metadive him later to see if that's a constant throughout his games.
could you explain to me the logic behind "they opposed the lolhammer so they are scummy", because that really doesn't follow for me. Especially since Umlaut was also dismissive of the hammer.In post 144, iamausername wrote:
between the other two, Norwee seems like the obvious scum from the pre-emptive outrage about lolhammering in 72 and 82
this goes for Norwee and myself, by the way.
It's either Ben or Username, I think. And Username looks to be scumhunting pretty genuinely to me so PoE tells me to vote Ben.
VOTE: benhalkum
A. he's the only one to really target Ben this early on Day 2.
B. he's the only one who really seemed interested in Ben on Day 1.
again, if Dkkoba-town, his reads this game have been on point. if only he'd done more to push them.In post 197, DkKoba wrote:
scummyIn post 126, OutWorldER wrote:I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.
If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.
We eventually unpicked that OutWorld was favouring a Ben-elim at the start of Day 2, and username was a booby prize. it's not great.In post 201, OutWorldER wrote:
I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.In post 174, Battle Mage wrote: Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?
Goddammit. If Outworld is scum, everyone should've listened to me on Day 2. I clearly said Ben-chosen meant Username-town, and we should immediately flip Outworld. Y'all suck.In post 206, Morning Mage wrote:
Ok a proposition:In post 174, Battle Mage wrote:Outworld -Ben or Username in that order, and has ruled out ever votingme, Dkkoba. Likes Norweg too.
Norweg -Outworld or Username, and has ruled out ever votingme, Dkkoba or Midway.
Username -Outworld or maybe Norweg(although one might be chosen?), and has obvtownedme and dkkoba. Likes Ben too.
Midway - no commitment so far, just some reflections on the previous day and a lowkey attempt to downgrade my obvtowniness. implied scum is on-wagon, so assumesNorweg-town.
Ben - nothing
Dkkoba - nothing
Some questions then:
Dkkoba - once you have answered my previous question to you, please share your reflections on the game?
Midway - please could you give me your top town/scum reads, including any locktowns from your perspective?
Ben - same as above
Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?
We flip Ben today. If he flips Chosen, we flip Outworld tomorrow (as he is the only one pushing for a Ben-flip, and is doing so as top preference), and we can townblock username who had said he wouldn't flip Ben.In post 210, DkKoba wrote:
yesIn post 201, OutWorldER wrote:
I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.In post 174, Battle Mage wrote: Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?
No.DkKoba wrote:
scummyIn post 126, OutWorldER wrote:I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.
If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.
VOTE: outworlder
are you so good dkkoba?In post 213, DkKoba wrote:OK IM DRUNK BUT OUTWORLD IS SCUM LETS GO
repetitive line, begs for life, hints at being chosen. not stellar.In post 220, OutWorldER wrote:ah sick, I'm at L-1.
I mean, I don't see anything that indicates that I am or am not Chosen so I have no idea if I'm actually ok with being elimm'd. I kinda want to like, keep playing, man.
I still do think it's gotta be Username or Ben in the scum and Ben is more likely from my POV.
struggling to know what a townie would say in this situation.In post 221, OutWorldER wrote:it's a weird situation because unless I'm Chosen a Townie elim is not purely negative town EV so like
???
I still don't follow the logic Koba and Username are using to case me though.
dkkoba not at all interested in flipping Ben, barely a mention in fact.
this never happened Norweg.In post 264, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hammer Ben boys.
I’ll even take some of the responsibility if they flip town.
reading back, this is the point where the gameplan got fked up (if Outworld-scum).
In post 327, DkKoba wrote:id swap ben with BM but sureIn post 329, DkKoba wrote:bc i townread ben over BM?
only a passive defense of Ben here. Dkkoba scum would be playing the long game anyway, so probably had to do it, so null. the targetting of me looks bad, although less bad with the Ben-chosen flip (as still possible I'm not chosen, although unlikely).In post 344, DkKoba wrote:the way bm be pushing me makes me really think theyre scum and im chosen
in fact, both were neither scum or chosen. big fail.In post 360, OutWorldER wrote:hmm is Username scum or chosen
is Norway scum or chosen
decisions I must now make.
this makes me think maybe Outworld-town because why the fk would he leave Dkkoba and me alive until the end otherwise? It would be really poor scumplay.In post 361, OutWorldER wrote:actually fuck it, unless BM or Koba are big braining us I don't think Town can really lose.
VOTE: iamausername
i sorta dig this. if Outworld is scum, give the guy some kudos.In post 365, OutWorldER wrote:You and BM are most likely town. The scenarios in which you two are scum are incredibly far-fetched.
We can solve either of you if Username flips Chosen.
If Username flips scum then we obviously win.
Username flipping regular town means we can PoE the Chosen tommorow and win off of that.
it would be incredibly hard for town to lose here.
nah man, i just forgot the plan. you shoulda reminded me.In post 384, iamausername wrote:the thing that concerns me is that BM made a plan to execute Outworld if Ben flipped Chosen, then immediately hammered me today when given the opportunity
makes that plan feel more like the old lining up miselims
in twilight after being killed but before a flip, pretending that you were a role you weren't (i.e. town claiming scum/scum claiming town).In post 405, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What is slow-rolling?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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in summary, it's a tough call today. For Outworld to be scum, I have to basically believe that dkkoba had amazing reads this game, but made it more difficult by low-efforting, and Outworld's towny posts in places were feigned. For Dkkoba to be scum, I have to believe that it's a coincidence that Outworld distanced from his scumbuddy early, and was the only person who showed real effort to push a Chosen-elim (Ben). Also I haven't really commented on it, but Outworld's open today wasn't great - just trying to clarify (incorrectly) the rules on how scum can win.
I think I'm leaning towards Outworld-scum, and if wrong, I'll accept that we were unlucky with his Ben-push. Although dkkoba, your ISO man, bleh.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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my pronouns are they them.retired
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