BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[Ydrasse]

sweet jesus it's an anti at field

i don't know what i was expecting when i signed up for this

VOTE: tsunami slayer

[Ydrasse]

also hi everyone i know!

[Ydrasse]

it's a field that neutralizes a.t. fields...!

[Ydrasse]

an absolute terror field, NOT to be confused with an endless terror field

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

remember when i caught you as scum because you posted that gif?

i think that's probably my favorite moment in a game that i've played on this website by far

[Ydrasse]

remember when i caught you as scum because you posted that gif?

i think that's probably my favorite moment in a game that i've played on this website by far

Scumreading gifs

What.

Spoiler:

pls send link

here you go

[Ydrasse]

i doubt 28 is serious

[Ydrasse]

Current Reads:

Scum in {Gypyx, Endless Terror, Pelican} based on claims. I'm inclined to believe Gypyx's claim the most, but even if true, it doesn't make them town.

BrightEyeFished has popped in twice to say nothing of substance; granted, they did so when the game just began. Tentative scum lean there, but it could easily swing the other direction.

Samantha's voting pattern has caught my eye; 3 votes in 4 posts, but overall the slot is null.

I didn't like Bell's wagon hop after Pelican's post, but it's not really a good reason to scumread them.

Unbirthday presented quite a number of reads early on which seems kinda fluffy, but latter posts are good, and they appear to be scumhunting. Leaning town there for now.

Birthday has a lot of fluff posts, so it is hard to tell for him. I'm inclined to town-bin him for now.

I'm not at all a fan of Pelican's posts. Reasons include the way they claimed and as Birthday mentioned, the style/approach to posting. Idk, the latter may be a stylistic thing that I ought to not read.

No eead on Tsunami or Endless rn mainly cuz their style are hard to read, and nothing stood out to me from them.

If I didn't mention you, that means you didn't make an impression at all on me and are thus null as well.

two things: one, what about the claims makes you think that there’s scum in them? just by virtue of having so many ~negative~ ones/ascetics?

two, why not scumread bell?

[Ydrasse]

like, bell so far feels self conscious in the way that he’s approached things? the first thing i noticed was in the post where he voted tsunami (i am on mobile so no post linking) and the second was the wagon hop.

the first stands out more to me because it felt like... forced casualposting; a bit of conversation with me and then a vote tacked on despite having a few posts prior to having been on the thread. it’s a bit like he just wanted to slip on into things without being noticed much. and the wagon hop just sticks out a bit, like a sore thumb for how it was awkward. it’s definitely my strongest sr right now

[Ydrasse]

i doubt 28 is serious

^this also faintly pinged me earlier into the thread because i felt like it was defanging the question it was in relation to but it’s more mild than bell

[Ydrasse]

i’m gonna be real i don’t know what you’re saying in that post

[Ydrasse]

ahhh okay i think i get it now

[Ydrasse]

the self conscious thing

bell’s posting has an air of discomfort to it that feels at odds with the first few posts he made when he started to interact with me (which might be why it stuck out to me too). it’s self conscious in that i read it as an effort from bell to be Cool and Collected that seems feigned which... just ends up falling flat.

do you know if bell likes playing scum or town more?

[Ydrasse]

eugh

i’m not linking them directly but let me hunt down their numbers

[Ydrasse]

46 being that the vote came directly after mine on that wagon and 57

[Ydrasse]

as for reads i have a faint scumread on gypyx for that one post, and something about ari also gave me one but it’s more a vague wrinkling of the nose for no real reason

[Ydrasse]

did you miss the point i made about the timing of them?

[Ydrasse]

hMMMMmmmMmMm

[Ydrasse]

i’m too tired to think anymore about games so good night thread

[Ydrasse]

in what world was bef rolefishing?? this wagon sucks

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: samantha

[Ydrasse]

my activity rn is because i have the energy to play (albeit at work + mobile makes an evil combo)

[Ydrasse]

yeah, i think it’s fair; in that game i felt pressured from the start to come across as ~natural~ and useful the best i could

[Ydrasse]

i haven’t paid too much attention yet to them but the impression is towny; like, there was that bit where they posted about being intentionally awkward/stilted to get things going a bit and while it seems convoluted, it wasn’t convoluted in the way that seems Bad to me, and other than that everything seems okay enough

[Ydrasse]

BrightEyeFished has popped in twice to say nothing of substance; granted, they did so when the game just began. Tentative scum lean there, but it could easily swing the other direction.

I'm still tying to figure out whats going on.

Does anyone have a list of the "claims" made so far? If not, I'll try not to forget to make one later.

Good start.

the "make a claim" language is really odd.
as town one does not "make" a claim. the act is to claim. i hate relying on scumslips since i think they generally come from town. but i still point them out when i see them. doubly so when im a self-styled IC.
-tay

i think in this context, it's make a claims LIST, not just make up a claim.

[Ydrasse]

bright, why are you so focused on getting the claims list over anything else?

[Ydrasse]

Taylor townleans Ydrasse. For what it's worth they're my least-magnitude SR right now.

I feel like ydrasses defense in 277 contradicts with 368 poking at the claims list a bit

eh, the first time around it's like... "this isn't rolefishing when they're just asking for a list; if anything, they would probably just ask in the scum pt unless they want to pretend like they're busy but that seems dumb to do" and the second time around it seems a bit more conspicious in the absence of... doing anything else. like, it's a

pattern

then.

but i missed bef talking about them wanting to know prs for Reasons. i don't know what to make of it though it answers my question i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ydrasse]

in what world was bef rolefishing?? this wagon sucks

VOTE: samantha

Ummm... Pretty sure it was Endless Terror that made the rolefishing comment... So,

@Ydrasse, why are you voting Samantha?

pruning this because dear lord.

it was, and i found that comment dumb because i don't see it as rolefishing at all when they're asking for roles that people have already outted at that point, but i don't find it as gross as the way that samantha interacted with bef in 251, 257, and 259. the last post especially has these like... weird vibes, like samantha has already written off bef entirely for what i find (at that point in the game) bad reason. it's flippant but i don't get why at all.

[Ydrasse]

hello Ydrasse what do you think about BEF's responses?

taylor and I came to a conclusion just now on discord on future play when we're both online and BEF's alignment.

-shelly

not as inspiring as i wanted it to be. a solid "meh", if you will.

[Ydrasse]

oh, also, i don't think that (ircher, samantha) contains more than one scum based on ircher's defense of her.

[Boonskiies]

i really like the flavor of this game tbh

[Ydrasse]

...is that asking me to order it, or is it your order with me included?

[Ydrasse]

hub

bef, ircher

tgp, tsunami

samantha

tgp + tsunami have made little impression on me so far

[Ydrasse]

what's your order?

p-edit: ircher has made a better impression than samantha on me save for a few things i find ?, and bef was uninspiring but i can at least think of like, things he's done compared to the other two

p-edit AGAIN: ok ok

[Ydrasse]

i can at least think of like, things he's done compared to the other two

what has bef done from your pov btw
-S

posted recently and posted non-fluff

and apparently that's why my eyes glaze over the tsunami slot because the nora-head posts a ton of it. 72's (i think it was his) posts are a lot better but they're drowned out by a ton of padding.

does noraa fluff a lot in general or is it skewed more towards one alignment? and even then, does she still try to provide a decent amount of content? there's some in there but it's scarce.

[Ydrasse]

11 posts :/
seems like LHF tells more than scum tells.
I dont see much wrong with the ISO.
any specific posts?

-northedetective

noraa, how do you distinguish btwn lhf and scum tells?

[Ydrasse]

i'm gonna be real that experience did not do much to attach itself to my brain let alone towntells

[Ydrasse]

...he does??

[Ydrasse]

please tell me how to see topics i've posted in because i know that is a thing and i cannot figure out how to do it for the life of me right now

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse who are your three top town right now overall?

something like you / gamma / then, like, pelican/endless/hbb boxing for third place

most of my reads right now trend more into null/scummy territory than they do towny ones

[Ydrasse]

also ty i found at least 1 towngame where 72 does do that. does he not do it at all in his scumgames?

[Ydrasse]

is it a trust tell if 72 doesn't invoke it?

if it's one regardless i'll drop it

[Ydrasse]

ari failed the vibecheck when he was around

[Ydrasse]

hopefully they come back and start pumping out posts Soon

[Ydrasse]

is your pelican read based off the intentionally-awkward posting?

[Ydrasse]

yeah i’m not seeing what you’re seeing from taly so i would also like an example

[Ydrasse]

or let me order a wall post about it express order for tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

i

will sleep on this

[Ydrasse]

i’m too drunk for this today sorrrrryyyyyy

[Ydrasse]

hewwo is anyone thewe?

[Ydrasse]

hewwo!

i'm rereading now

[Ydrasse]

why do i decide to play mafia/try to reread at 3 am

[Ydrasse]

my samantha vote is doing fuck all right now but it's definitely my strongest read like. what is the point of shading pelican and saying that voting them doesn't make sense and going onto a wagon that is objectively worse (pelican had votes, nico had none and nico's presence is negative) for like... what? what is the goal here?

voting vax right now feels rude until they get to post a little. as a treat

[Ydrasse]

hehe

[Ydrasse]

also i think that tsunami/vax + samantha are viable together due to samantha's lukewarm reaction to the wagon on tsunami

[Ydrasse]

ALSO, also, whoever was asking about my townreads earlier (gamma im p sure): a lot of it was just due to impressions that i got of like, ~sincerity~ i guess of how they were approaching the game thus far, which might seem a bit counter-intuitive because of pelican's early game approach but i don't think that that's diminished the rest of their responses of the game thus far.

i read the hub case against pelican and like... they just don't seem scummy to me? like, i can't tell if it's bad faith or not for hub to post that case against them but regardless i just think that it's wrong unless there's something i'm really not seeing.

[Ydrasse]

i was just reading it, and i'm more unsure now about him than i was

like, earlier my solve was like ircher/samantha are never scum together but individually i'm finding samantha very scummy and ircher's last two posts (the flippant post about wanting to vote pelican and then going through with it) pinging me. it's ~weird~

[Ydrasse]

do you think that scum!bef is that overt about "yes i am specifically working with you to the point i will cede to you my vote"

[Ydrasse]

like, earlier my solve was like ircher/samantha are never scum together

Where does this come from?

ircher's defense of samantha in 335 and 340, especially given that ircher called samantha null in 159; there's no progression there.

[Ydrasse]

do you think that scum!bef is that overt about "yes i am specifically working with you to the point i will cede to you my vote"

what is the town motivation for that though'
and yes.
-shelly

trying to foster goodwill i guess? it goes both ways but for me it feels like something that is so obvious in how it's played out. that's bold as hell if it is scum and i don't know if bef would do something like that

[Ydrasse]

getting sick of this limeposting

[Ydrasse]

where do you see frustration, taylor?

[Ydrasse]

dude you need to claim if you’re town at this point

[Ydrasse]

like saying you’re of some use means nothing when there’s a hammer over your head because you haven’t shown it

[Ydrasse]

you’re not useful when you’re dead ???

[Ydrasse]

let me into your heart taylor

[Ydrasse]

I can't believe Vaxkiller is clawing this back anai282urb^wi7s8dh&&@

@Ydrasse: How do you read that slot?

with great frustration right now because like, if you're town you're going to wanna like... work with the town and not keep doing the opposite of what everyone else is telling you to do even if you're trying to ~take a stand~ because your role is so good it has to be hidden

like, at this point i dont' think it's town because if they're town they're being incredibly dumb for ??? reasons that dont' stack up against being an Alive PR Who Can Do Things and it makes more sense that they're just scum stalling or whatever. idk if it would take 1000 years to make up a fakeclaim though

it makes me feel bad to try and read about the angleshooting stuff though so i'm rying to ignore it but yeah :/

[Ydrasse]

vax claim or else you're getting hammered and if you're town, shrug emoji

[Ydrasse]

looking at pelican's role i assume that yeah, the parallel universes have influence on the game/actions + that there are abilities that let people deal with it

also WOW ircher's role sucked

[Ydrasse]

i'm not ready to dismiss samantha as a scumread despite being the counterwagon, because like, what other choice did vax have for survival at that point? the leading wagon before them was samantha, and that's where the mosts votes/a decent amount of suspicion was. it'd look worse in the long run if he tried to deflect off of there imo

maybe ircher saw something i didn't see in her but idk!!!

[Ydrasse]

there's probably scum floating around in nico/ari/maybe tgp?

[Ydrasse]

looking over things with as much attention as i can for grinding tft and being tired, i feel slightly better about bell + slightly worse about tgp, at least for the ppl on the wagon

in general i wish this wagon didn't have the replacing out thing be a big part of it (which like, yeah there were other reasons but that perception cannibalized them + now it's harder to gauge how much of things are "these posts are scummy" vs the replacement issue)

[Ydrasse]

bef also looks not as great, the reasons for voting vax are mild + while i don't like the replacement thing i find it curious that bef didn't talk about it at all since it was a Topic that ppl dealt with when it was happening and i don't know if that means anything or not but it feels like it does

[Ydrasse]

+ i'm not like, impressed w their start today

[Ydrasse]

gamma + hbb + et feel a good start for town and i want to make this pool larger

(samantha, bef, ari, tgp, nico) not in it right now leaving bell + gypyx + hub to go one way or another

[Ydrasse]

there proooobably isn't like, more than 1 scum in ari/tgp/nico so hopefully they can be sorted out, my townpool feels good right now and if one/two of those three can escape the scumpool things feel extra good

[Ydrasse]

because i don't have strong reasons to sr the people who are in the null category right now + in the absence of that i assume that there's scum in the lowposters

that and like, if both vax + samantha are scum together i feel like the scumteam lacked the power/sway d1 to keep wagons off at least one of them and afk scum seems simplest

[Ydrasse]

samantha rn

[Ydrasse]

also regarding gamma: for me it's a general sense of good vibes from his posting + looking at the vc, he put pressure on tsunami/vax early on when the votes had left that slot (i should check to see if they were rvs though, lmao) and i also don't see him as trying to derail the wagon. if anything he was trying to get ppl to take a better look at it beyond the rep issue?

[Ydrasse]

why can't bef/samantha be scum together?

realistically i'd mow through samantha first and then depending on those three proooobably one of them before i got to bef right now? unless those slots show up and start spewing town all over things but bef is lower in there for me.

[Ydrasse]

do you think that gamma's vote on ircher at the start of today (before ircher's flip was included) is fake?

[Ydrasse]

do you think that gamma's vote on ircher at the start of today (before ircher's flip was included) is fake?

this is immaterial since ircher was not a targeted nightkill

this took me a moment to understand but that makes Sense

[Ydrasse]

i'm p sure the theme of this game is parallel universes so idk how much weight these sort of claims have wrt being town?

also what the hell is happening rn

[Ydrasse]

gonna be real i was so tired gypyx was like confirming in the thread as an actual ic

[Ydrasse]

hi hub, how are you today?

[Ydrasse]

mmmm

p-edit yeah, if nora isn't good at that stuff she would be informed that they exist somehow.

[Ydrasse]

uh, if noraa was informed somehow that commuters exist, and you're both commuters...

[Ydrasse]

shellyhead: what makes you so certain that gypyx’s claim is town? just the flavor, yeah?

[Ydrasse]

i could be misunderstanding here but the crux of the issue is that there’s no reason either of you are cleared from roles. arguing that point right now doesn’t help anything.

[Ydrasse]

...yes? why couldn’t there be informed somewhere in the scumteam, or just a straight up scum commuter?

[Ydrasse]

to be frank you both clogged up the past page or so with a fight that i don’t understand why it happened

[Ydrasse]

what do you make of the vote from hub onto you?

[Ydrasse]

ircher’s role wasnt flavored

[Ydrasse]

also hub, what do you make of et’s vote?

[Ydrasse]

that whole fight felt overblown to me tbh but that bit about nora + calling out the commuter is something, idk if she really is that bad and would be informed or not and just made a good guess.

[Ydrasse]

shelly was being a bit... obtuse (no offense) fmpov about it all and missing the point of why it wasn’t clearing her at all though which worries me slightly because like, from the outside this should’ve been such a nonissue and it became one for ???? some reason

[Ydrasse]

i think them declaring themselves as an ic on that post is more of a tongue in cheek sort of thing/just their personality (whichever head it was, i could imagine them both posting it)

[Ydrasse]

the ircher flip doesn’t say much about them imo but pelican was townreading them + had them in a townblock so it doesn’t seem likely they’d want to kill pelican?

[Ydrasse]

not ~ic~ status but unless the other mafia overruled them fsr et doesn’t have much motivation for the nk

[Ydrasse]

yeah, that’s why i’m saying ircher flipping doesn’t say anything abt them?

[Ydrasse]

sorry i’m tired as fuck lmao

[Ydrasse]

good good

uh, i really just don’t think the former instances of them claiming to be ic matter. these last few pages do though, but to say they didn’t do much d1 doesn’t seem right...? they definitely were pushing things, trying to do this and that etc etc

these last few pages are just unpleasant

[Ydrasse]

my main hangup is that their assumption was that gypyx was hard town for a reason that’s easily dismantled

[Ydrasse]

i guess gypyx claimed their flavor and stuff super early??

[Ydrasse]

tbf, you look better tonally by the end of that fight than you do from the start of it

[Ydrasse]

...:.....

okay so i might not have connected the dots that he didn’t claim commuter until recently

[Ydrasse]

i. i am going to bed and tomorrow i’ll be able to think properly good NIGHT

[Ydrasse]

welcome shoshin!

[Ydrasse]

welcome shoshin!

sleep@,£÷£!*?

..!!!!!!!

yes

[Ydrasse]

^__^

[Ydrasse]

my main susses were in samantha, tgp/ari/nico, + bef

gamma + hbb + et townreads

hub / gypyx/ bell in the middle

[Ydrasse]

some Stuff happened last night i’m trying to work out though

p-edit: my other reads were more defined

[Ydrasse]

shoshin, if you haven’t already, can you read through pages like, 45 to here? there was some stuff happening there involving hub

[Ydrasse]

Why is HUB in the middle, Ydrasse?

More importantly, why am I in the middle.

stronger townreads + scumreads

[Ydrasse]

given where you were on the wagon though it does look a bit better for you

[Ydrasse]

What're your reads?

right now:
probably mafia: shoshin, aristophanes
lean mafia: ydrasse, bef
lean town: hub
town: hbb, endless
n/a everyone else

am i leanmaf for pushing you or leanmaf for not wanting to vote the nicoslot...?

[Ydrasse]

which like, you said it was concerning i didn’t wanna pressure a slot when it’d do nothing and then you didn’t revisit that slot today and voted another dead one

[Ydrasse]

oh taylor you rascal

[Ydrasse]

I guess this is where I'm at, from town to scum:

Sam
Gamma
HBB
ET

Golden
BEF
Ydrasse

Bell
Gypyx
Ari

I don't include HUB because they're either confirmed via role or scum. This slot solves itself before LYLO, so I bracket this for today.

explain the samantha + gypyx reads for me?

[Ydrasse]

I could be wrong about Sam. I expect my reads overall to suck after taking long break from the game.

I totally forgot about that, I'm glad you pointed it out

am i leanmaf for pushing you or leanmaf for not wanting to vote the nicoslot...?

both + a tiny bit more

sad to hear about taylor, I liked their personality & they were in like every game; must be a high demand for replacements right now

also, even if you think hub is mafia, I just don't see the reason to lynch him over someone that hasn't just been inactive, but has deliberately not participated when active; we at least have posts to judge hub on in future days

it's more that like... nico specifically felt like such a dead vote. we weren't getting anything there, it wasn't going to generate pressure or anything, like. it felt pointless, and i don't get what you thought was gonna happen there?

i'm keener on the aristophanes vote but right now it feels like a Big Joke where ari has come in here multiple times now said wow, lot of pages, and then dashes again so he's like... there's more to get from there but looking at his iso at some point if he's scum he probably also has to realize that like, we can all see him doing this?? i don't get the point of him repeatedly posting like that as scum right now

also right now i don't think hub is scum because his posting is like... tonally it's good, and he's making points about things; he looked better off after that thing with shelly about roles and now he's making good points (imo) about his wagon and in general like, despite the heat he's getting his posting makes me feel pretty Okay

[Ydrasse]

I'm unsure on Ydrasse currently as well. I saw some towny things early on regarding her feelings on Bell, but avoiding the Vax wagon - which had plenty of good reason based on Vax's play alone - because she felt bad about the angleshoot is iffy.

BEF/Ari/HUB/TGP/Ydrasse

Mind expanding more on your scumreads and the why,

Ydrasse

? You can speak through cat gifs if you prefer this method.

vax's play was very frustrating to me because the lack of a claim into nothing, but i still don't like the idea of angleshooting for games even if it's objectively ~right~? like, if it's suboptimal that sucks but whatever!!

samantha just like... early on, there was the weird shading that didn't sound good to me regarding bef + that wagon, and i just don't feel she is doing too much objectively. the ari vote is better than the nico one but like, i don't understand why people are townreading her right now otherwise because the nico vote felt counter-productive to doing anything and i hashed that out as much.

like, in theory to me having a pool of low-effort/low-posters is fine, because i do too as i've said before; in a world where both samantha and ts are scum together, and were big wagons together on d1, i feel like the scum is lacking the players who can sway/change opinions on those wagons and that's how it played out. and like, furthermore if it's one of them like... it's an easy vote to make to look productive too from scum partners

tgp & ari fit the bill too just on like... behavior, i think? ari keeps having these popins where it's almost comedic now about how he is like, oh i'll catch up! and then just... doesn't. like, i'm struggling with that one right now because at what point as scum do you think "wow this looks bad" and do something about it? like, at least make an effort you know? it just looks so scummy on the surface and i don't know if it's like, i'm overthinking or it's ~too scummy to be scum~. tgp's reason for getting on the ts wagon is like... very barebones too, "yeah it's scum rep out oh also the play let's get this day over with", it doesn't feel like it's something that tgp wants much to Dwell on i guess? to me saying: "yes i recognize how bad she looks! me too! get rid of her right now!" didn't feel genuine

bef like... i don't find the reasons that they joined the ts wagon as... genuine, maybe? it felt to me like they were just sort of go with the flow about it all, pointing out a little something to justify their vote, and then they avoided the thing that people were stressing over/using as one of their reasons which felt odd because it felt like a lot of people were talking about it? it's a very obvious thing and they just... didn't care, like, idk if they wanted to be ~above~ it all and find real and true reasons to look better, but that's mainly where my suspicion of them is

nico was in this pool too but i feel okay about shoshin? like, her content makes me feel... okay, that's about all i can say about it right now but i don't want to vote her in comparison to the other people in my pool at all and if i had to pick a Place for her it'd probably be like, taking gypyx's slot but gypyx is just a Meh to me similarly

[Ydrasse]

i don't know if bef and samantha can be scum together though because like, a lot of my reasoning for thinking samantha was scummy was for how she interacted around/with bef early on d1, so like... individually i don't like them but together i don't think? they can be paired up together most likely unless samantha was bussing there but im unsure

[Ydrasse]

also dwelling on the commuter claims right now i like. im getting kind of weirded out again thinking about the ic thing and how readily they were both like, yep we're jumping on this let's go full force? between taylorhead and shellyhead i was feeling okay comparatively about them but that entire exchange was just so fucking odd and of all the things to clear over i still think that it's a big ??? spot and i don't know what to think about it

[Ydrasse]

like, i think both the claims are real? but i don't know if they're real and one's scum or not and they're using it as a jumping board to get a townread/try to pry out some towncred or not

[Ydrasse]

i guess so i just like, if he’s some scum or nontown it’s so fucking weird doubly so if it’s the former like... why??? i truly don’t understand but i mean like i’m here sitting and wondering if it’s literally too scummy or not

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: aristophanes

idk i just. idk if this is Right or not but it feels like it could be

[Ydrasse]

i love ari and i want him to post!!!! :<

[Ydrasse]

he keeps saying he’s going to post/read so like :/

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

i like.

this is the only thing happening right now wagonwise and idk if it’s that we are actually are town or something or if ari is just an easy vote to hop on for people

[Ydrasse]

i’m going to sleep on this because i have no fucking clue rn

[Ydrasse]

good night thread

[Ydrasse]

Simply make your own let not his altar with tributes intimidate you

[Ydrasse]

my birthday’s already went by... :c

[Ydrasse]

i woooooon’t

[Ydrasse]

ariiii

you keep saying you'll read/do things but haven't and it's not looking good :<

[Ydrasse]

ARIIIIIIIIIII

[Ydrasse]

errrgh i’ll wait for you to post content ari but idk how to feel about your response to that fake hammer

or how to feel about bef doing it at all :<

[Ydrasse]

like just. the wording of it i am Not a fan of

[Ydrasse]

Golden suspects me for dumb reasons, so it's just a matter of time until scum jump on me.

i don't follow this line of thought, why do you think that?

like, there aren't even reasons there from tgp (well there are apparently some but no one gets to know) and he's not pushing you for anything?

[Ydrasse]

that's actually such a weird way to like, present you're scumreading someone (i guess because it's very... toothless, in how much of a threat it is to case someone? like, it's an old man shaking his head at the sky and going 'one day i'll get you!!') that i just kind of nodded at it and went "damn okay then"

[Ydrasse]

the two main wagons suck :/

like, ari is just sort of ~here~ but the composition of it makes me wrinkle my nose hard and idk if it's bussing or something in a world where ari is scum, and in comparison i just think that hub is most likely town rn so no way i'm going there

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: brighteyedfish

[Ydrasse]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

[Ydrasse]

and it feels a bit like your reconsideration of ari after that fake hammer comes at a point where people are starting to doubt if ari is or isn't scum a little more, you know? it's one of those things where i don't know if you actually believe bell is scum or you're just trying to get pre-emptive credit for hopping off the ari wagon if ari is town

[Ydrasse]

you said that ari shut down your reaction test pretty fast, but could you tell me what you gleaned from it if anything? like it Happened and then... what'd you gather from it? @bef

[Ydrasse]

Can everyone give a quick summary of their thoughts on Bell?

his day 1 early on felt pretty bad for how he came across tonally but where he voted like... from what i recall bell has said (when town) that he doesn't like bussing as scum. given that he was on the wagon early on i think that his vote makes him seem better than d1

idk maybe i'm giving him too much credit for it + not liking the bef vote but i don't want a bell wagon rn

[Ydrasse]

bef, do you like to bus?

[Ydrasse]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

Is Ari not more of an easy vote here?

yeah, that's the one thing that makes me reconsider my read a little bit but i like, the way i see it is if ari is town, bef knows this and in the event ari does flip (which this game feels a little stagnant so it's a possibility people will just settle for it) he'd rather be positioned off of it well before anything happened to look better?

[Ydrasse]

can you explain the 'out of focus' thing?

[Ydrasse]

hmmmMmmmm

[Ydrasse]

how do you feel about bell's vote on ari in 1394? it's like, clearly it's spurred on by 1393 and i'm looking at it right now like, i should be able to make something of it + the post following up about his stance on hub's responses but i can't and it's like missing a puzzle piece.

it pings me but i'm not sure why because i feel someone saying that and then like, instantly pivoting away onto someone else is beyond obvious :<

[Ydrasse]

maybe sometimes... things are just obvious....

do you like. the focus thing, do you think that the attention being on them is indicative then of all 3 of them being town then + it's just like, an easy place for scum to put their efforts?

[Ydrasse]

i guess there isn't like, enough of a strong townblock to really say that people's reads on others are just from poe stuff and that's why?

i hope that makes sense i'm a little drunk now

[Ydrasse]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

Obviously you didn't read my VCA. Bell (along with Sam and TGP) were my top SRSs from the VCA.

it's more the fact that the bell analysis is very light and like, path of least resistance-y if you wanted to get some towncred from jumping off ari s: idk if that's the case anymore but like, of the votes you could've made the bell one made me squirm

[Ydrasse]

hi i have returned

sorta went through an emergency this week causing my absence throughout the site.

skimmed, ydrasse obvtown, gamma's overeager defense of ari (catchup wasn't exactly obvtown) makes me think there's prob!scum between gamma-Ari but they arent s/s

which one?

[Ydrasse]

so hub is town
gypyx is town
ydrasse is town
...and that's it. i'm not sure why it's been so difficult to establish a solid townblock this game but i'll read back over and give a readslist in a bit.

Shelly is town also

can you succinctly explain why shelly is town other than her having the same role as you? that's the reason i've gathered for you having that read and idk if there's something else

[Ydrasse]

How come

*twirls your hair* hey....... tell us your reads.............

[Ydrasse]

My read is that you're twirling my hair

and how does that make you feel....!

[Ydrasse]

What am I reading.

@HBB, I miswrote. I meant I've never played with scum you and etc.

Also, maybe ignore that reads list, it was super half assed. Just take the
BEF scum read, Taylor /Shelly TR, HUB TR, Ydrasse meh.

The rest is kind of up in the air for me on reread.

don’t look it’s personal

[Ydrasse]

Ydra could you link one of your scum games that has 100+ posts, you don't need to comment on it and it doesn't need to be representative of anything in particular

i think that forest fire one is the only one that i went over 100 for? uhhh

[Ydrasse]

i like this plist and my mafia motivation has went overall down across site which isn’t an alignment thing but in general i find it a lot harder to create content as scum and generally just... don’t want to

[Ydrasse]

i’m also down for the sam vote let me open everyone’s third eyes to that wagon

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: sam if i haven’t already im quick replying and don’t wanna check the last page

[Ydrasse]

i just like telling people when i’m vibing :>

[Ydrasse]

Samantha is a really bad wagon, she was very obviously what scum were trying to push as a counter to Vax at several points yesterday.

Vax himself was also pushing there hard, and I don't buy the distancing explanation. If it's just distancing, Vax doesn't tryhard and effort so much just so that he can save himself and instead get his partner launched in his place. Samantha is most likely just town.

so i know i've just twirled your hair and all, very cutely, but didn't the samantha wagon come first? how is it a counter-wagon?

[Ydrasse]

i feel like... tgp has maybe had more presence in other games i've been in? game? i think it's just a single game and we were scum together but they were around more from what i recall.

[Ydrasse]

also, wanna point out we should figure out a wagon soon; we have a bit under two days and we're scattered around.

samantha is a good wagon fmpov but i'll go on bef again because i do think there's still a chance it's bef too. ari i /guess/ i'd go for unless he comes back with some really good posting before deadline

[Ydrasse]

also @shoshin i wanna clarify why i said that about my samantha vote: it felt like a useless vote at the time because the wagon was gone but i still thought that it was a good vote and it was frustrating that all the pressure on samantha sort of just.. vanished? which like, it went to a better place but i still hold strong to it being a good vote

[Ydrasse]

counterwagons spring up to combat something though right? samantha’s was well established before the vax one, so the intent of it wasn’t to stop the vax one..

also i’m on mobile but i’ve laid out the reasons prior in my iso, just a lot of not great posts d1 and d2 doesn’t give much either. i think the one thing that would maybe make me reconsider is a red bef flip

also, also, she has a very narrow minded stance fmpov regarding scum pools which like... yeah i guess in this situation it ~works~ but the sort of focuses on low posting slots more than anything is a safe range for scum to rest in

[Ydrasse]

also idk if this like a reassurance but my willpower to play mafia lately is down as a whole and i wouldn’t be expending it on a mafia game LMAO

[Ydrasse]

shelly, weren’t you calling me obvtown like... a lot this game? why the sudden urge for me to do it if you’ve had that read?

[Ydrasse]

maybe i just don’t get the defenses of samantha but like i feel like i’m staring straight into a void of evil whenever i see her posts

[Ydrasse]

i think that in that position you’re going to push for survival regardless if it is scum right? like, your partner might come out of it looking better if nothing else, and from memory im like almost positive the samantha votes were first but i can check again

samantha’s pushes these games fall on low-quantity posts and then like. bef. she spelled it out why she does it recently + yeah i can get behind that theory because i’ve literally been saying that i think that scum might not have had good control of the game state before

[Ydrasse]

1403 is probably my most succinct explanation regarding my take on the gamestate. also i don’t think that weird is a very descriptive/specific word but it’s a good descriptor for a lot of my reactions to things

hello bell

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

oooooookay

[Ydrasse]

i have no clue what the fuck to think about samantha anymore because like, why pelican of all people that doesn't make sense to me but neither does this game having that many commuters

[Ydrasse]

like her role is probably real?? because it's not just a regular commuter but like, ugh

i got messed up by someone claiming a protective once and they were scum

[Ydrasse]

if she's not scum my reads are all wrong probably but the counterwagon thing really just doesn't make sense to me and her play doesn't either but like

AHHH

[Ydrasse]

i'll read over gamma and try to find words for him because he really did feel towny this game

shoshin, are you town?

[Ydrasse]

i don't know if you've explained this before, but gamma was the first vote on tsunami and never moved, despite having other susses; do you think it was just a bus that got out of control?

[Ydrasse]

there's a moment in gamma's iso where he's asking why people are voting a slot that was repping out but then he sticks right back on vax acting scummy.

like, i guess the way i'm reading it is that gamma just wanted people to have a /reason/ for people to vote vax.

[Ydrasse]

hhhhhh

VOTE: gammaVOTE:

the case against him makes sense and i guess my read on him was more about good tone and attitude but just if you guys wanna flip to bef i’ll go for it but we don’t have a lot of time to do that shoshin please be town

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Ydrasse]

e-2 of bells vote was e-3?

[Ydrasse]

i’ll probably be here for deadline tonight too

[Ydrasse]

bef if you’re not gonna be around is that your final vote??

[Ydrasse]

mod reused flavor.....

i still am like, idk, this doesn’t feel quite right but then i look at my other options and my top scumread is pushing someone else who i scumread and what is that and what does it do when we’ve got 5 hours to form a wagon and like. gamma hasn’t even popped in again to defend himself!!!

[Ydrasse]

(deflated squeaky toy noise)

[Ydrasse]

e_____e

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: samantha97

voting in gypyx/samantha rn

[Ydrasse]

also hard support the mass claim

[Ydrasse]

are you going to claim, bef?

[Ydrasse]

(side note: @mod if we don't get through all of your flavor and you have more written please post it all at some point. it's so fun.)

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse please OBVTOWN

WOMAN I'M TIRED RN

[Ydrasse]

hmmm

[Ydrasse]

bell have you claimed?

[Ydrasse]

Commuter is VT.

You are scum.

what do you make of actual vts being in this game though?