Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

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The artwork for the mountian dew liquor variants is out and.... kinda badass?

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Milk & Morcha (3): ssbm_Kyouko, Wisdom, Gamma Emerald
Wisdom (2): Milk & Mocha, MUSHSHAGANA
StrangeMatter (1): Jada

Not Voting (2): Towelie, Strangematter

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-18 13:02:04)

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

This argument is actually recontextualizing the strength of the 2 shot roleblocker for me because of how gated the town’s power really is when you overlook me/assume I’m scum. That vs. a Night One Weak Hider, an X-Shot vig, and an Indecisive Doctor seems pretty unfair. So imo the idea that the last scum HAS TO BE PR is weakened.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

So if we’re talking about throwing setup spec out, where is our next step then, Gamma?

I’m not saying we aren’t wrong-headed, just wondering what the immediate consequences for this dayphase would be.

[Wisdom]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

This argument is actually recontextualizing the strength of the 2 shot roleblocker for me because of how gated the town’s power really is when you overlook me/assume I’m scum. That vs. a Night One Weak Hider, an X-Shot vig, and an Indecisive Doctor seems pretty unfair. So imo the idea that the last scum HAS TO BE PR is weakened.

I lost you

Why would your role as scum + roleblocker vs hider/vig/doc/ic be unfair? If anything your role fits the investigative I expect the last scum pr to be

[Gamma Emerald]

So if we’re talking about throwing setup spec out, where is our next step then, Gamma?

I’m not saying we aren’t wrong-headed, just wondering what the immediate consequences for this dayphase would be.

Basically Jada/SM are back in consideration for me atp
Also my role also being a scum role would just be extremely OP, wisdom.

[Wisdom]

Not seeing why
And if anything if your role is considered strong that gives reason for the rb to be gated so it doesn't help convince me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, think about the information privilege that comes with being scum and consider how busted my role would be given that. Most if not all claims can be readily trusted, so the role is much more powerful at gathering info as scum than as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

And this is a really whiplash-inducing turnabout dude. This feels like something

I

would do, not you.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I feel like removing setup spec, even though I bought into it, brought the game back into focus.

Wisdom, how far do you really intend to follow the Gamma line of thought? Do you think that’s a good push?

[Wisdom]

If it wasnt for what I said in 2988 Id totally believe you are the last scum

I just feel like those things are out of your scum range, hope Im not underestimating you

[Wisdom]

But if you're not dead tonight you probably need to be lim'd

[StrangeMatter]

I wish we'd just eliminate SM and win the game already.

None of this setup spec nonsense.

Last time someone literally said that exact thing, we lost hard. So I'd prefer if just you don't.

I have some things to say about the Wisdom vs Bears as well, it doesn't sit right with me, and part of it feels like M&M fighting back that hard.

[Wisdom]

...and then I read SM's posts and think it might just be that easy

[Towelie]

I've been talking to noddy in private about fear of scum gamma since the gameday began but was expecting a body before i ever had to worry about it.

my main argument against it other than what wisdom said which i agree with: does scum gamma pick jada/SM for the investigation? The way I asked for claims too he could've waited for anyone to claim and then picked whomever he wanted to. instead he picked two slots that up until very recently seemed like limbait.

-b

[Wisdom]

that's a good point too, Emmi and SM have been low content and suspected all game and they made excellent targets

[Towelie]

also still don't think gamma ever pulls that CC routine as scum, he'd have to be pretty shrewd to make that work in the best case and i'm not sure most scum want to lock themselves into a claim w/o clear benefit in the moment

-b

[MUSHSHAGANA]

With the team suggesting that Gamma CCs, I can see her making that play.

I don't think that THAT team EVER makes that suggestion at THAT point in time -- unless they intend to bus Gamma for a late-game launch. And if they did intend to, I didn't smell nearly enough desperation around VFT getting pinned as the elimination du jour right after Dunnstral had gotten in a fight with the IC. Which is completely unrealistic to me. That's like putting all of your eggs in one basket made of heavy-duty monocrystalline titanium alloy, only for someone to strap a rocket motor to it and send it on a suborbital trajectory: now you know those eggs are doomed, it's just a matter of when.

Still, assuming I'm alive tomorrow, if Gamma is too, that's too concerning to not deal with.



Leaving aside setup speculation, I think SM is a good call. Bears vs Wisdom as TvT feels sensible to me now that I'm seeing the gamestate more clearly and understanding other players around me. The odd one out at this stage really is SM, there is no other slot left that I do not understand the POV of.

[StrangeMatter]

I'm not getting how feel like Bears vs Wisdom feels TvT.

[Gamma Emerald]

With the team suggesting that Gamma CCs, I can see her making that play.

I was gonna say I'd probably be more likely to do that on my own but thinking about it what happened in FFXIV is pretty contradictory

[MUSHSHAGANA]

You're the only player who I don't understand, Strange. You really should explain your POV. And without the setup spec -- that stuff is no good for you, it'll make you sick.


PEDIT: I don't really read games I'm not in, and I don't really hold to meta. I'm making that analysis off of what I have seen of you in this game, and the conclusions I have drawn about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't expect you to read that game, I'm just saying I had to recognize I'm not as much of a loose cannon as I'd like to claim I would be as scum

[StrangeMatter]

Right now I just feel like I don't have much of an opinion or weight in this game, and right now I feel like I have something I want to talk about with the Wisdom vs M&M conversation.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Okay. Why aren't you talking about it? I even gave you an opening to do so.

[StrangeMatter]

this is a waste of time

either you guys r going to throw to scum wisdom or you are not

it is obvious he is just moving the goalposts from one marker to another while repeating "lim mm"

Like this, I get that they think Wisdom is scum up to their recent string of posts (and lines up too), but this kind of reads like it could be mafia throwing paranoia in.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Counterpoint, Wisdom also said a similar thing about Pooky. As did Gamma.

Also, what's your take on Jada's VCA coloring the bear-pair as town?