Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)

[Kowahbunga]

Wait, I'm the pretender. I got a result, but Invis tracked me and that's why I didn't visit anyone. So you actually did roleblock me.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh 3 trackers?

Now it gets interesting.

Oh, forgot Black was RB not tracker.

[Invisibility]

wait so if the pretender is RB'd they still get a result right

[Kowahbunga]

wait so if the pretender is RB'd they still get a result right

Im on mobile and dont feel like looking it up. But I imagine a pretender doesnt have any real power to block. So I would still get a result if I was a pretender because nothing real actually happened.

[Invisibility]

wait so if the pretender is RB'd they still get a result right

Im on mobile and dont feel like looking it up. But I imagine a pretender doesnt have any real power to block. So I would still get a result if I was a pretender because nothing real actually happened.

I tried looking it up and I didn't get a conclusive answer but I think it works how we think it works where your visit gets canceled but your result is still random

@mod pls clarify here if you will

[Bingle]

1. Bingle - Neighbor, targeted Black
2. Doctor Drew Doc, targeted Someone
3. Invisibility, Tracker Kowahbunga -> Nowhere
4. Donempire Neighbor, targeted Bingle
5. Black, RB targeted Kowah
8. Kowahbunga, Tracker Black -> Vizzy
9. Appearance, Loyal Checker - Vizzy

Invisibility clears Kowah.
Appearance clears Vizzy.
Kowah is probably pretender.

That leaves 5 unconfirmed players.

We're not yeeting App, Doc, Vizzy, Black, Kowah today.

Doc Drew targets Vizzy, as a conftown cop.
Vizzy confs Appearance.
Appearance Confs Black
Black confs whichever of me/Don isn't today's lim.

Tomorrow, if Vizzy dies, it's either doc or rb who broke it, and we'll have an invest on rb. If anyone else dies, we should have enough clears to finish the PoE. If no one dies we can no lim for more info.

[Kowahbunga]

VOTE: Don

Then I'm happy starting here because this was my scum read yesterday.

[Bingle]

Should probably have someone sanity check me, but that should be autowin.

[Doctor Drew]

Should probably have someone sanity check me, but that should be autowin.

Honestly seems legit?

But I am not the one to mech check, or sanity check, someone lol

[Invisibility]

it makes sense to me

[Black]

Yeah clearly mech is my weak spot but it looks good to me too

[Black]

My only issue is I still think Don and Bingle are pretty townie, but I guess it doesn't matter as long as we follow the plan

[Donempire]

1. Bingle - Neighbor, targeted Black
2. Doctor Drew Doc, targeted Someone
3. Invisibility, Tracker Kowahbunga -> Nowhere
4. Donempire Neighbor, targeted Bingle
5. Black, RB targeted Kowah
8. Kowahbunga, Tracker Black -> Vizzy
9. Appearance, Loyal Checker - Vizzy

Invisibility clears Kowah.
Appearance clears Vizzy.
Kowah is probably pretender.

That leaves 5 unconfirmed players.

We're not yeeting App, Doc, Vizzy, Black, Kowah today.

Doc Drew targets Vizzy, as a conftown cop.
Vizzy confs Appearance.
Appearance Confs Black
Black confs whichever of me/Don isn't today's lim.

Tomorrow, if Vizzy dies, it's either doc or rb who broke it, and we'll have an invest on rb. If anyone else dies, we should have enough clears to finish the PoE. If no one dies we can no lim for more info.

Sounds good by me. Only problem would be if roleblocker is scum, as that can throw off investigative results but i trust black.
One problem however is doc drews not confirmed yet.

[Donempire]

VOTE: Don

Then I'm happy starting here because this was my scum read yesterday.

How the turntables..

[Bingle]

What are you talking about, don is the scummiest neighbor I’ve ever had. Keeps shading me for not knowing Drake lyrics.

[Bingle]

Drew becomes defacto lim if everyone else is confed. Can’t conf him over you/me because we need his action to keep vizzy alive.

If black blocks doc and kills vizzy that creates a 1v1 between black and doc, which is solved by appearance on black. There is a loophole here for black scum to win by killing appearance, but we should be able to close that with a slight rework.

Vizzy on black, appearance on drew should work I think?

[Bingle]

I need to chart this out on a piece of paper, which slightly difficult due to travel, but I think limming today might lead to a forced 1v1 in several cases.

I haven’t looked at No lims, but this might well be one of the rare instances where we can satisfy kowahs lack of bloodlust with optimal play.

[Bingle]

I’m a little bit annoyed with myself that I didn’t see how problematic a d1 maf pretender lik was for the setup, btw. A roughly 5% that puts town in just off of autowin N1 is a big oversight. Considering if we’d had the ability/desire to be a little more proactive with a plans we could be in actual autowin for sure… well. Not a great place.

My best suggestion atp would be to add one pretender to the role pool and make it a semi-open.

[Black]

Drew becomes defacto lim if everyone else is confed. Can’t conf him over you/me because we need his action to keep vizzy alive.

If black blocks doc and kills vizzy that creates a 1v1 between black and doc, which is solved by appearance on black. There is a loophole here for black scum to win by killing appearance, but we should be able to close that with a slight rework.

Vizzy on black, appearance on drew should work I think?

I'll tell you right now I'm probably going to block Drew. I think he's the most likely to be scum here. If I die overnight then it should be fairly obvious who did it

[Black]

I’m a little bit annoyed with myself that I didn’t see how problematic a d1 maf pretender lik was for the setup, btw. A roughly 5% that puts town in just off of autowin N1 is a big oversight. Considering if we’d had the ability/desire to be a little more proactive with a plans we could be in actual autowin for sure… well. Not a great place.

My best suggestion atp would be to add one pretender to the role pool and make it a semi-open.

I don't understand this and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

[Bingle]

I’m a little bit annoyed with myself that I didn’t see how problematic a d1 maf pretender lik was for the setup, btw. A roughly 5% that puts town in just off of autowin N1 is a big oversight. Considering if we’d had the ability/desire to be a little more proactive with a plans we could be in actual autowin for sure… well. Not a great place.

My best suggestion atp would be to add one pretender to the role pool and make it a semi-open.

I don't understand this and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

Can’t post on the setup page cause it’s intrinsically linked to ongoing games discussion. Basically revision notes for gif to look at if he wants to tweak the setup.

[Bingle]

Theoretically if I went to md to make the post it could be cheating because I’d be confirming that my thoughts aren’t about this game and thus more trustworthy than a rando posting in the game who would have a stake in the outcome, although in this case I think it would probably be ignored if I did that.

[Bingle]

Drew becomes defacto lim if everyone else is confed. Can’t conf him over you/me because we need his action to keep vizzy alive.

If black blocks doc and kills vizzy that creates a 1v1 between black and doc, which is solved by appearance on black. There is a loophole here for black scum to win by killing appearance, but we should be able to close that with a slight rework.

Vizzy on black, appearance on drew should work I think?

I'll tell you right now I'm probably going to block Drew. I think he's the most likely to be scum here. If I die overnight then it should be fairly obvious who did it

Blocking drew if we’re in autowin is literally gamethrowing, fwiw. At this point, the town wincondition is get to a point where we have fewer mechanically unconfirmed players than eliminations left to make.

[Black]

Blocking drew if we’re in autowin is literally gamethrowing, fwiw. At this point, the town wincondition is get to a point where we have fewer mechanically unconfirmed players than eliminations left to make.

I'm just gonna take your word for it. Playing like this is weird to me but I feel like it does give us the best chance to win, and that's really all I care about

[Bingle]

Yeah, I should be able to do a case map when I get to the hotel, but basically the goal is to take each individual slot and ask “How do they win if scum?” And then try to make a plan where for every slot the answer is “they can’t.”

The reason I lost my tm game was because I couldn’t get every slot to that unwinnable state and bet the farm on the wrong player, but here I think we can make literally every slot impossible to win as scum without gambling on anything other than people not outright lying about their actions as town.