Micro 1083: Garlic Bread Heist! (Game Over)

[Alisae]

Good morning world I can’t wait to be a piece of shit today!!!!!!

[Alisae]

VOTE: garlic bread
Cases are wolfy

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

[Alisae]

oh also xof unvote could be townie so for now they are my strongest tr
it's not that strong but it is what it is

[Alisae]

oh also IG the bread was a bit villagery in response to my vote x_x

[Alisae]

My scum buddy is VPB so don't come after either of us.

honestly mebbe this is real

[Alisae]

no

[Alisae]

Hello tris!

[Alisae]

have we played before i forget

[Alisae]

what if had a big board where i pinned notes like a detective solving the Murder

fun!

have we played before i forget

i dont recall!

pog!

[Alisae]

I don't think there's really much to go off of right now.
The most alignment indicative thing that really stood out to me is probs xof unvote

The bread trying to case 2 people early seemed kinda narrative spinny to me but after reviewing their previous posts and their reads and progression and blah blah blah its probably town

[Alisae]

I don't think I need to have a good read on users Tris + Skygazer + Hellbooks
I imagine those 3 will probably towntell or wolftell eventually.
User Alisae will find it

[Alisae]

I actually change my mind maybe shea can be town maybe it's too early to read shea and they're easier w/ a body of work

[Alisae]

But also, hi Ali. Do you think you could do me a favour and be town? It would really help me re-evaluate how to read you after you fooled me in TM. Thanks.

ya ya i'll make it rly ez for u

[Alisae]

i randed town it will be a very chill game

[Alisae]

i wanted to rand town in tm but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo so i decided i was going to be town anyways since I realized that people don't really care or give a fuck about what I say or how I reach my conclusions so I kind of just said whatever the fuck I wanted to say and as town lately i have been wolfsiding so if i can get away with being wrong as villager surely I can be get away w/ being wrong as the mafia right???????

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

I am posturing user thestatusquo

[Alisae]

I am posturing user thestatusquo

thats bad for your back.

a day in the life of user alisae

[Alisae]

I agree with the user thestatusquo he seems like a smart guy

[Alisae]

I agree with the user thestatusquo he seems like a smart guy

[Alisae]

I don't mind calling her town for now though it's not like I got anything else better to go off of

[Alisae]

them

[Alisae]

why are you being so nice to me

do u like butting heads?

[Alisae]

I can be meaner try voting me

[Alisae]

VOTE: alisae

User Alisae is too nice to me they must be aligned with the mafia!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

VOTE: thestatusquo

grrrrrrrrr, how COULD user thestatusquo misread me here! I am OBVIOUS TOWN!!!!!!!!!! They should be able to identify that!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Alisae]

VOTE: vp balter

[Alisae]

ur so weird :/

excuse me I am acting out a toxic 1v1 it is very not weird in fact it is super normal!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

why are you being so nice to me

if you want an actual answer, and if you can't tell due to my joking nature, I have no reason to do the contrary.
No reason to butt heads.

[Alisae]

endgame hard

[Alisae]

The fox still remains my biggest tr

[Alisae]

I want to hop in a time machine and travel 5 days into the future maybe then I can find the mafia

[Alisae]

Is my bed considered a time traveling machine because I would like to stay in bed and sulk

[Alisae]

The fox still remains my biggest tr

You Will Be Boiled

Ya well you’re getting stolen

[Alisae]

The fox still remains my biggest tr

You Will Be Boiled

Ya well you’re getting stolen

How Did You Perceive The Fox in the Early Stages of the Neighborhood Friends Team game

i correctly townread them immediately

[Alisae]

Ok, if meta isn't really your thing, that makes sense.

Who is aligned with the mafia VP Baller

[Alisae]

my mum is aligned with the mafia so you must be aligned with the village to have such an accurate read on my mum

[Alisae]

I don't think I care about it

[Alisae]

Because I wanted to know who u thought was mafia

[Alisae]

Ig I didn’t see it!

[Alisae]

is hellbooks supposed to be the book from hell

[Alisae]

I want alisae to talk about the xof unvote because I thought that was one of the wolfier posts in the game

no u talk

[Alisae]

u explain yourself right now on how xof unvote post was one of the more wolfier posts in the game mister sheepsaysmeep

[Alisae]

or you'll only be sayin meep by the time I'm done w/ you

[Alisae]

Either the gimmick has grown on me, or I'm just fluent in them from way too many Survivor games. I kinda like what the Bread is laying down, it's followable. Idk if I agree with any of the assertions so far, but there's nothing too outrageous there.

Unvote

let me stare at it, idk how to explain it this is hard

[Alisae]

Sheepsaysmeep?
More like
The Sheep Who Stared At Posts!

[Alisae]

I think it's something tonal + the non-stanceyness (not the act of upvoting)

or like, this is a complete rvs vote. I looked just now it was post 35, a joke about the flavor. why are you explaining it like that

"either the gimmick has grown on me.. " why are you legit explaining removing ur rvs vote, gut bad
"I like what he's laying down, it's followable"
weird
"Idk if I agree with any of the assertions, but there's nothing outrageous"
weird

has it occurred to you that your read on that post could be bad?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep

[Alisae]

my take on this conversation is that you are full of shit and these are the kind of lengths you have to go to to justify your stance.
I actually have a really hard time seeing how it.

First I though it likely isn't impossible for that xof post to be made by a wolf but I think it's much more likely that that is a genuine xofelf reaction
then I read garlic's breads posts up to that point and xof unvote post makes significantly more sense and makes me think more so that this is something that xofelf just thinks.

I think your approach of looking at the post and trying to see how you can attack it as opposed to actually looking at the events that happened to see if such a stance would make sense to have or whatnot just ping wolf to me > town who wants to actually be right on a read

[Alisae]

I actually have a really hard time seeing how it.

I am stoned I did not finish this sentence.
I have a really hard time seeing how this is town having a read as opposed to a wolf making up their stance on the spot

[Alisae]

I think unvotes can be very alignment indicative

[Alisae]

it makes sense w/ all of the posts garlic bread wrote up to that time

[Alisae]

tris your pfp is looking away from the post

[Alisae]

also garlic bread is a villager that's not a good vote

[Alisae]

ok mebbe tris is aligned with the village

[Alisae]

Why vote user hellbooks fellow sheep

[Alisae]

zzz

[Alisae]

Mafia is not only about having correct reads

[Alisae]

Mafia is not only about having correct reads

It is Also About Fooling Everyone, Yes.

it is also more than this

[Alisae]

zzz

Hello Alisae Would You Like to Consider My Read of HellBooks and Sheep paired and Tell Me if I am Missing Something that Maybe Disproves it Or See If you Do Agree.

You think hellbooks is aligned with sheep?
I feel like hellbooks hasn't done anything super alignment indicative at all but I want to say they're probably town so like idunno lol

[Alisae]

I am on team can the other players play more mafia

[Alisae]

I mean like idunno lol I wouldn't even say i want to resolve anything right now i just want more things to happen and this gamestate doesn't feel like people actively have to play

[Alisae]

I think the D1 elimination will probably be Shea Sheep or Balter

[Alisae]

idunno I don't rly think I see myself voting outside of those 3 players except I can confidently identify them as town while also having another solve that could make sense

[Alisae]

I mean like idunno lol I wouldn't even say i want to resolve anything right now i just want more things to happen and this gamestate doesn't feel like people actively have to play

It's been like two days homie

ResidentSleeper

[Alisae]

either way im ok w/ sitting on my butt and doing not much of anything

[Alisae]

I am sitting because I am a slow reactive player and I like to think my reads get better the longer the game goes on

[Alisae]

whoever says cringe is cringe

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

user hellbooks who is aligned with the mafia

[Alisae]

why would I be aligned with the mafia

[Alisae]

this reason is so compelling I might even vote myself

[Alisae]

Do it coward.

VOTE: Alisae

[Alisae]

what in elephant

What in the

[Alisae]

lmao fuck me

[Alisae]

I want to give shea a d1 pass.

@Skygazer + Shea

- does VP Baller feel like they actually do care about trying to figure out alignments? I want to say yes but last time I played w/ them I TR'd them when they were wolf.

[Alisae]

idunno I actually kinda just wanna shrug vote hellbooks x_x

[Alisae]

VOTE: hellbooks
meh

[Alisae]

idunno lmao who even is their partner.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:
ya i don't even feel good about hellbooks fuck me

[Alisae]

btw vp wanted wolf games
viewtopic.php?t=90848
viewtopic.php?t=90686 (I'm on Klickwork the posting on the acc is all me)
viewtopic.php?t=90476
viewtopic.php?t=90508

[Alisae]

here are some town ones
viewtopic.php?t=90629
viewtopic.php?t=90521
viewtopic.php?t=90333

[Alisae]

i saw the post but didn't reply because I wasn't able to in the moment

[Alisae]

I think the D1 elimination will probably be Shea Sheep or Balter

can u explain why you want to lim shea? I am going back through your iso and you were calling him town at one point. I'm confused.

when i wrote that post in the moment i thought shea could be a wolf for not doing much of anything to move game forward and just letting things sit.
Do nothing is a strong wolf strategy and I'm sure they recognize that and this could have been something like this at the time but I think now I don't mind just giving them a pass for d1 cuz idunno maybe they kinda feel like they're solving

[Alisae]

That would probably be the next evolution but I honestly don't know. I mean before this game on D1 no not rly but I am more adaptable than I sell myself to be (Shea is still right though I cannot fake a genuine town!Ali. As wolf I move around usually w/ some kind of goal in mind.
I could also just not care about the game I would probably do nothing if I am over it. I'm kinda burnt out on wolf so if I randed a team that I was not excited to play w/ this would be reasonable. Didn't even want to rand wolf for TM.

I'm only talking about within the context of D1 because D1 is when first impressions are important. Later in the game it does just become easier to not post if I don't need to post.

[Alisae]

Although I have to ask how often have u played with shea bc this kind of generic reasoning for a scumread makes sense for a lack of direct experience

this is my 3rd game w/ shea kekw. 4 if you consider tm but he wasn't playing to me as an audience and here he has to if they're a wolf.
Shea is tricky because they play the same/similarly regardless of what their alignment is

[Alisae]

And re: faking a town ali, you pushed your scumrange to its limit in TM, at least tone wise.

I mean I had to try to fake what koba/ceph/klick/imaginality/lld teams what they would expect out of a towngame from me. I had to overperform.
And it mostly worked but it's really not something I would want to do again because it's much easier to throw my hands into the air and say this is fucked than actually care about a game. The reward has to be worth it. Winning TM is worth it.

But ya my range is a lot wider than I have sold it to be in the past I am trying to learn how to play as many options as possible while also always working towards worst case scenario for town.

[Alisae]

Is it mean of me to say that I had the thought that it's not worth finding sheep town bc their play is inherently anti town if they were town anyways and I trust every other slot as town much more to help lategame

probably but i still thought it

lmfao

[Alisae]

what's the town sheep argument that gets them over at least 2 other players

vibes

[Alisae]

initial vibe is that sheep doesn't

feel

like they're moving pro-wolf and their contributions don't

feel

inherently wolfy.
I say feel because being able to feel something is a made up concept that doesn't exist like how league of legends players say an item feels right even if it does less damage and is worse than another option.

[Alisae]

i choked them too early

the ego is huge on this one

[Alisae]

VOTE: sheep[/b]
sigh

[Alisae]

idunno how that happened but ok

[Alisae]

hug

[Alisae]

hellbooks my friend just play mafia the way you want to play it.
I think you are a difficult read for me because I read people by their actions and what they do throughout the game.
Unserious posting doesn't help me read you (though some people know how to read into that kind of posting, I am not one of those), but it's enjoyable and it seems like it's what you have fun doing. I don't think you need to serious post to play mafia well. You acknowledging your own reads as potentially being not better than random.

Also playing things well sucks the life/fun out of it

[Alisae]

^ i bet at least three ppl are gonna townread me for this banger btw. Ppl love text

I was about to say that I townread you for this post.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Alisae]

I townread you anyways

[Alisae]

You acknowledging your own reads as potentially being not better than random.

this sentence did not get finished I blame the weed
better than random is decently self-aware

[Alisae]

post in general I think makes me think you're just being truthful

[Alisae]

mebbe it's just vp + sheep gg x_x

[Alisae]

Some aspects of 639 already I think take some guts to write from mafia. I probably wouldn't be able to do it.
Follow up by 640 and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Alisae]

NO I TAKE ALL THE CREDIT HOW DARE YOU

[Alisae]

hey does anyone else townread hellbooks for this post?

the genius of this post is I can't tell if its a meme or if it's serious

[Alisae]

Do you think Hellbooks responding to that way is town!indicative or wolf!indicative

[Alisae]

thats for xof but its an open question idrc who answers so chip in if u want

[Alisae]

I am going to vote you in mafia

[Alisae]

that is a joke if it was not clear that should be clear

[Alisae]

me posting from alt: "yea so i am actually your wife and i see you posting and snickering evilly at your computer. i can say with 98 per cent certainty that you are scum"

you're funny

[Alisae]

VOTE: Baltar
better vote than sheep I think

[Alisae]

Some aspects of 639 already I think take some guts to write from mafia. I probably wouldn't be able to do it.
Follow up by 640 and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

using the argument "too bold for mafia" is a dangerous path my friend, it has landed me many a win as scum
but i think they look towny for different reasons :^) and i feel vindicated for not considering her for my d1 vote

ig this is worth saying

I feel like it's hard to embrace it and it's not something that most people do and to do so I think would really require putting their hearts into playing the wolf alignment.

[Alisae]

Firebringer "I'm scum" posting or cases of 640 isn't something that most people actually do. I think most people would not be able to embrace it. Part of being able to embrace it and be like that is being able to put one's heart into playing wolf and ya that's just a thing I don't think most people do. Idunno if that's the case in Hellbook's case but like also doing it in the same breathe as saying their reads are likely to be worse than random while doing everything else that they have been doing idunno overall seems town

[Alisae]

VOTE: Baltar
better vote than sheep I think

Meanwhile....

Alisae has yet to give any actual reasoning to want me dead and is holding onto it like a security blanket so she doesn't actually have to play the game.

”they haven’t posted actual reasoning therefore they must be aligned with the mafia!”

[Alisae]

You can snap

[Alisae]

And pop!

[Alisae]

Whenever I think of vpballers read on me I don’t think he actually thinks I’m flipping mafia but rather he just dislikes my play the most

Apparently calling play u dislike as “wolfy” even if it’s not wolf indicative is the new trend these days ig

[Alisae]

I also think they’ve pushed me in ways wolves probably would so there’s that too

[Alisae]

Pushed/talked about me

[Alisae]

Forming reads based on what people think wolves do < finding what wolves actually do

[Alisae]

See interactions w/ shea

[Alisae]

Ur doing a lot of grasping at straws for someone who just beetlejuiced in here mister vp baller

[Alisae]

I am voting VP Baller because I think it always flips wolf where as if I voted Sheep and it flipped town I would probably lazily vote VP Baller again but honestly I would probably do the reverse now that I think about it

I still think that there are more possible VP Baller teams than sheep teams I think?

[Alisae]

I haven't went through the time to actually look and see what's possible (I'm also struggling because I feel like things kind of just stayed as they were and things are super orderly rather than chaotic, I want things to be more chaotic (man I miss playing w/ Raybells he would make things chaotic)) but my initial impression tells me there are more likely to be more possible vp baller pairings than sheep pairings

[Alisae]

gut

[Alisae]

meep!

[Alisae]

her sheep in crime

[Alisae]

I once asked Ser Arthur Dayne for a tl;dr and he told me to stop playing mafia

[Alisae]

the game of thrones character?

Someone on this site went by that ID.
I don't think you met SAD.

[Alisae]

Ok I’ve seen enough my reads haven’t changed at all
Wolves don’t seem to want to piggyback off of baller, wolves don’t see to want to attack baller, so I think baller and sheep are probably just mafia

Tris hasn’t posted but they’re probably town me thinks
Skygazer I think from latest posting is probably posting from a town pov?
Xof is still town
Garlic bread is a dish best saved for later but they feel town from posts so far unlike in tm where they were trying to vote italiano
Hellbooks is still kinda town ig?

That just leaves shea who I want to townread but it’s much weaker than the above

[Alisae]

I just woke up so I will “catch up” maybe push for lethal in a bit but ya that’s where I’m at.

[Alisae]

ok lets do this.

[Alisae]

@alisae if ur town, ur gonna have to activate now cuz I can't stop lol townies from sleeping baltars bad case on u

not powerplaying up to this point was an active choice.

[Alisae]

I didn't read vpbs case but I think alisae is plausibly in her scum range.

I didn't read vpbs case but I think alisae is plausibly in her scum range.

famously not powerwolfing scum alisae

idk this interaction has made me realize alisae is actually kinda out of scumrange cuz she isn't just sitting down as scum and likes to control gamestate lol

Regardless when reISOing alisae I did realize she was townier than initially thought bc of how she has been poking at stuff in general.

Does alisae often take a backseat like this as scum?

I see, if there's people from TM who had a shared experience then i suppose it could be a conscious choice from Alisae to metabreak but idk I think I'm just going to let Baltar stew in his "why isnt anyone believing me" indignation for a little bit longer

Why would Alisae have to powerwolf if you're already controlling the gamestate?

Could be you're teammates.

Could be alisae is just fine with the directions you're pushing.

Alisae doesn't just control the game willy nilly when scum, e does so when its advantageous to do so.

My next adaptation vs people that know me will probably be a more laid back approach.
Shea mentioned it earlier that when I try to fake it it just doesn't seem real and it probably won't ever seem real because idunno whenever I play town I realize I can't fake not knowing anything but idunno
I spent the entire time of TM trying to metabreak idunno I am adaptable and my range is probably edging closer and closer to infinite.

[Alisae]

I am surprised GB is getting this twisted at a slight poke.

this is a wolf post btw

[Alisae]

WHAT THE HECK

WHAT 3 MINUTE RESEARCH DID YOU DO THAT MADE YOU BECOME A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON

btw this is a town sequence of posts

[Alisae]

I think that this being all tris has to say is probably town indicative maybe?

[Alisae]

If I had to say 2 teams I think it could be it would either be like {skygazer, shea} or {VP, Sheep} and right now I want to flip {VP, Sheep} its probably just these 2. {VP Shea} is still a possibility

skygazer latest posting to me comes across as lost townie > lost wolf

[Alisae]

anyway this is where I start powerplaying so w/ my next post its time to go big mode

[Alisae]

State of The Game

I think the best way to start this is to explain some of my earlier posting.

VOTE: garlic bread
Cases are wolfy

I think this vote is genius. It allows me to size up the alt after it posted a big wall of a post. They also voted me earlier and declared me to be PoE so surely I thought that the vote is very likely to get a reaction.

VOTE: garlic bread
Cases are wolfy

You Show Up to the Kitchen Late and Decide to Use Dull Knives, What a Joke

This is the posting of someone who is very comfortable in their own skin. Idunno if that's the right way to put it but this response leaves me extremely satisfied. I think my vote would bait any unseasoned wolf player. Garlic Bread is obviously not that but the way they responded to it is good enough for now.

After this is where I go ahead and read what happened to see if Garlic Bread's posting checks out and it does.

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

Go on

no

Baller's post in a vacuum is likely to be posted by a wolf. Like, what Baller is doing is something that a wolf is just likely to do so I put a vote.

I respond w/ no, also similarly to size up Balter and I don't really feel the need to explain myself at all. I don't really have a need to engage anymore when I'm still trying to size up the rest of the playerlist and how they respond to things.

its after the vote I post the xof read which I thought of keeping to myself but didn't because I thought well might as well put it out there it could potentially advance gamestate and I felt like it could benefit me if I slightly show my hand to see how people respond to it.

Balter attacks this by saying that I'm not trying to do work or I'm not trying to solve.
Something significant I think Balter says is that my reads from when I first posted to now are still the same and that is somehow supposed to be wolf indicative?

For this, I would like to point to the State of The Game at this point.
Garlic Bread - I think Garlic Bread is the most notable person that is trying to play mafia.
Xof - Posts when they can but largely doesn't really matter as my read on them has already formed. I don't think Xof strongly tried to move the game in a particular direction they're just contributing when they can.
Shea - I think throughout the game Shea has just posted what they thought was going on.
tris - They're not really doing much but they are contributing at their own pace and I think the most notable thing that tris has done is vote Garlic Bread, as that to me makes me think they're acting independently
Hellbooks - Up until the page where they called me town and made 639 I would consider this slot to be practically unreadable as they're not really doing much of anything.
Skygazer - ...

And then we have Sheep Sheeposting and saying meep. I think Balter casing me is the most game advancing thing that has happened from him since page 5, since now he's actively pushing for something. I still don't think he's gone into my meta at all, which is disappointing because I wanted to see what kind of takes he would have after going through it.

At this point Skygazer is our only real question mark because not much of anything is really happening or coming from that slot. They're essentially not doing anything.

Like what the fuck do you want me to do up to this point? It's honestly safe to say that we literally had a 30 page RVS phase and only now is it that it can really be broken and moved past that stuff and things are starting to happen. The only person who is actively pushing for someone to die pre-Balter case is Garlic Bread. The main 3 slots that need to be solved are tris, hellbooks, and skygazer (from now on I'm going to call this group the "trio"). No amount of proactive play actually creates a better read on these players, they just have to play their hand when they want to play their hand. The onus is on them to play and do something. They have to do something that's worse than what's currently happening and so far that's not really what's happening.

This also struck me as pockety. Or at the very least, attempting to get a third of the users to not look at her until later in the game. Again, it's a bit cynical of a read on my part, I'll admit, but it's actually kind of a smart wolf play if that's what it is in the sense that 1) you are reducing expectations on who you will provide opinions on D1 and 2) maybe those people reciprocate and don't take a hard look at you either D1. That essentially guarantees an elimination on you is tough if not impossible. A smart social play imo in an alisae!scum world. (it's probably also no surprise she ends up at town reads on all three here I think)

Saying that I don't have a good read on tris + skygazer + hellbooks is extremely valid for what happened so far. Everyone else had gotten a chance to post except me by the point I entered the game, so I thought if they were mafia, perhaps they would move in such a way that indicates that. It's very easy I think for someone to talk my play that has been presented and say "Ya this slot isn't really townie and the rest of the players are lets vote this slot" and the post that this paragraph is trying to attack is a post that basically says "I'm waiting for these players to do something more."

but apparently I am a wolf for having static reads even though it totally makes sense w/ what happened for my reads to mostly be the same so kekw

I think it's easy to see she didn't actually even care about the answer to the question. There's no deeper reason to why she asked me what my reads were than "I wanted to see". And when I say I don't have one, she just backs away from the convo. I think the intent here was to paint me as someone who isn't playing the game, and when I called her out for actually being the person who isn't paying attention to the game, she just disengages with the convo. This is what I mean by pot shots.

I am a yugioh player so I am illiterate, but ya I did want to know what you would try to sell me. You didn't try to sell me on anyone so I backed off. I don't really care if you had anything to sell or not, but I wanted to know if you did have something to sell me on, what is it, and how you got to that conclusion. You said you didn't have anything so I stepped away.

It was the most productive thing that I could have done in the moment as trying to get that answer from the trio.
Maybe try to get something out of you but for the most part just let the trio play when the trio can.

But if the criticism is "he's not trying to figure out alignments"

Because a lot of your hunting and what you're pushing looks performative.
Let's break down how I see your interactions w/ Sheep.

Re-reading the sheep-alisae interaction again, I think I agree with Alisae more to a degree. There is some post-hoc justification going on.

That being said, I do have a gut response because sheep's response is SO WAFFLEY. He's either completely floundering scum who doesn't know how to respond to slightest pressure, or he's town just pulling stuff out of the behind.

Sheep, how much experience do you have playing scum?

Re-reading the sheep-alisae interaction again, I think I agree with Alisae more to a degree. There is some post-hoc justification going on.

That being said, I do have a gut response because sheep's response is SO WAFFLEY. He's either completely floundering scum who doesn't know how to respond to slightest pressure, or he's town just pulling stuff out of the behind.

Sheep, how much experience do you have playing scum?

a lot, I have many many completed mafia games

VOTE: sheep

Ok well then

Starts by sheeping me on sheep

Re-reading the sheep-alisae interaction again, I think I agree with Alisae more to a degree. There is some post-hoc justification going on.

That being said, I do have a gut response because sheep's response is SO WAFFLEY. He's either completely floundering scum who doesn't know how to respond to slightest pressure, or he's town just pulling stuff out of the behind.

Sheep, how much experience do you have playing scum?

a lot, I have many many completed mafia games

Can you link me to a recent scum game you had

no real recent scumgame, I took a break for like 2 years

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ano-Island

Ok, the break is helpful context too. Thanks. I'll check this out a bit later today

oh shit I just realized I do have a recent wolfgame, pls dont read the one I linked from when I was more cringe

viewtopic.php?t=90681

oh shit I just realized I do have a recent wolfgame, pls dont read the one I linked from when I was more cringe

I prefer games on this site anyway. Easier to assess your response in this site culture

VP gives Sheep an out.
The meta that can be provided can be manipulated easily and I'm not sure how easily people realize that but this is moot point doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things

vp baltar is so villagery

this isn't really a part of this case but this post is weird.
This is more like a talk later thing.

someone give me something to think about pls

How would you say sheep's play this game compares to that game he linked, since you were in that?

doesn't feel that different but like i said im trying to get away from meta reads bc honestly a lot of the time it just winds up being me looking at differences in personality/vibe which is generally not the right thing to look for

Unexpected tbh.

I was reading that game this morning and it actually feels markedly different to me. In that game, sheep comes across as trying to have a logical reason for his moves. Whereas this game, he's just like "vibes lolidk"

That type of awareness of how you're going to look is something I do expect scum to be more concerned about, generally speaking.

Was hoping you'd see the same thing.

UNVOTE:

Oh look an unvote after providing our wolf buddy with an out
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I mean, read her iso because I don't think she's literally doing anything but taking pot shots. She made one decent point that was bugging me about sheep, but it was kind of obvious and upon closer inspection from me, doesn't seen to hold up

VOTE: alisae

I feel most comfortable here right now. I don't like the hellbrooks lim for D1 personally.

I don't think alisae is actually scumhunting and keeps trying to shade me for ???. This bugged me earlier when she was demanding a reads list from me, and clearly wasn't paying attention to the game.

I also think she's trying to get by on social schmoozing rather than hunting scum. The xof town read is eh, and I don't see how she goes from town read Shea-> let's lim Shea--> asking Shea for advice.

Just a bowl of wtf soup

And now we're back to me.
It seems like the whole point of that hunting sheep was so that you had a reason to write him off and you could use how I pushed sheep to attack me. Now suddenly my logic on sheep doesn't hold up.

Also this is a pattern you start to see w/ their vote on me but w/ things like how they talk about my Shea progression it seems like they're just trying to spin what I'm doing to make it sound bad > the posting actually being bad.

They do it a lot it's not worth quoting every single instance of it.
Like when this quote pyramid

VOTE: Baltar
better vote than sheep I think

Meanwhile....

Alisae has yet to give any actual reasoning to want me dead and is holding onto it like a security blanket so she doesn't actually have to play the game.

”they haven’t posted actual reasoning therefore they must be aligned with the mafia!”

>votes Baltar in the moment because in the moment it seemed like a better vote
>”they haven’t posted actual reasoning therefore they must be aligned with the mafia!”

I've pushed her in wolfy ways? What does that mean?

this sequence

This reminds me of town ali though and its a part of her town game I think she struggles to replicate as scum.

She just feels so much more focused on achieving specific goals as scum and here it seems like she's not doing that. I associate sort of moon logic trying to fit the game together into solves with town ali play and I think that when she tries to do the same sort of stuff as scum it doesn't feel as real to me.

I mean, read her iso because I don't think she's literally doing anything but taking pot shots. She made one decent point that was bugging me about sheep, but it was kind of obvious and upon closer inspection from me, doesn't seen to hold up

In business company I played with town ali and she does a lot of that there too.

Comes in. Bam this seems villagery, my team solve is {three names seemingly plucked from nowhere} we should quick lim them all.

4 pages later {other two players} are confirmed wolfy so actually the solve is {three completely different names from the first one}

Its rapid fire solving and I don't think its very effective for finding scum but I actually don't think she replicates this approach vry well as scum.

Shea: Ali feels townie
Baltar: Says "Well here's why I want you to believe Alisae is aligned with the mafia" in a way that can totally be replicated by the mafia.
Shea: Doubles down on why I feel town

See my interactions w/ LLD on Staeg
LLD: Where here is some evidence I have why Staeg is villager
Ali: Okay but I don't care about your read and I am going to continue to push Staeg anyways.

If you want a hot take, i think there's a non-zero chance that shea or Garlic Bread are her partner.

hmmmmmmmmmmmyes the people who are saying I am likely in my town meta are my partner hmmmmmmmmmmmmyes

[Alisae]

vp baltar is so villagery

I mean this post is weird.

This post threw me back to 2017 where I liked to overly buddy town as mafia but like if this is town idunno this just doesn't feel like something town says right now but like lmao

If they're mafia they're doubling down on their baltar TR and that association.
Ya idunno why it happens its weird.

Garlic Bread probably sells this slot as mafia better than I do
Sheeps actions scream either wolf or too wolfy to be wolf and idunno which one it is but I TR a lot of the playerlist just so much more harder now that idunno guy just has to be a wolf and if he flips villager honestly i'm not even mad

[Alisae]

oh alisae idk if anyone said it post TM but my tell on you that i thought was reliable marker of you being town was you saying "hmmmmmmm" more often as town than scum and i went thru like 10 games only looking for that and nothing else lol

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmyes

[Alisae]

state of the game kekw

[Alisae]

So in a world with sheep!scum and baltar!town, you think he's trying to pocket me?

if this is what's happening then when sheep flips he wants village to turbo tunnel you into the ground

[Alisae]

Can someone who is not Koba tell my why sheep is scum

If you spell your mind out for me I can try to get you pointed in that direction

[Alisae]

I want to run a lawnmower through all 3 players I could see myself voting sheep.

1038 screams wolf post to me tbh because it aims to directly discredit considering I just posted "I think Garlic sells wolf!Sheep better than I do" and it aims to really shut down that voice more than anything.

Baltar I admit could be a villager w/ genuine concerns as well. His conversation w/ Shea where they talked about how Baltar played in Hollow Knight, Baltar seemed like they forgot they were screaming at Asri the whole game? That conversation from him seems like it could be genuine and his concerns with me could be genuine even if he is pushing how he thinks town should play > what town actually do.

Anyway I am open to the possibility ig and now I think that just killing all 3 of {Shea, VP Baltar, Sheep} is probably gamewinning?
VOTE: sheep

[Alisae]

me writing that post initially wanted to push baltar through a bit more but by the time I finished it I wanted to vote sheep

[Alisae]

Of course, in a sheep scum world, I get power mislimmed, but whatever. You all can figure it out after that.

at this minute in time I would probably go kill sheep -> shea and then if shea flipped town I would kill you but this exchange feels villagery for you

[Alisae]

I...Don't know what I would do in the event of your townflip.
Probably??? I don't know I would have to see how following day played out

[Alisae]

here are some town ones
viewtopic.php?t=90629
viewtopic.php?t=90521
viewtopic.php?t=90333

Lol linking a town game where you had three posts. Are you trolling me there?

I’m on hydra in that game…

[Alisae]

I think ur analysis is terrible.
Try just following my vote

Also I forgot to link hollow knight but that’s another town game and we both played that game together

[Alisae]

Not like scummy terrible but just bad

[Alisae]

Not like scummy terrible but just bad

Bad how exactly?

Re: hollow knight, I couldn't keep up with that game and had to replace out, so I don't know what you were like there

lacks consideration of motivation

[Alisae]

Seems like u just want to prove “static reads = bad” tell

[Alisae]

I don't remember what myko exactly said tbh

my reads can be static regardless of alignment and its your job to solve if that's because i'm mafia or town

[Alisae]

The tactics in of themselves don't matter because I am willing to change tactics depending on the circumstances
its how I go about what it is I want that matters

[Alisae]

Baltar do you know how multi-ISO users?

[Alisae]

go to bottom of thread under where quick reply would be -> isolate users -> select me (or my hydra if I am hydraing) + mod

follow the vote

My intentions can be verified very easily here compared to the reference you are listing.
I have explained my processes well in my big post.

I think if you follow my vote between all the town games and all of the mafia games you should be able to spot a significant difference in how the vote is used.

[Alisae]

idunno maybe reading the game itself might be better actually but the idea is to compare what I do w/ my vote w/ the votecount

[Alisae]

maybe this is solid but tbh there are people on this playerlist that can explain my meta w/ words.

Its hard to explain but as town I am town and as mafia I am mafia

[Alisae]

you are towntelling right now if anything tbh

[Alisae]

you seem like you at least care

[Alisae]

and idunno if you consider town to be honest and someone who wants to be right vs mafia who is in fact not those things

[Alisae]

and idunno if you consider town to be honest and someone who wants to be right vs mafia who is in fact not those things

then i am town vs i am mafia is a good explanation, at least one that explains it more eloquently.
"These actions makes sense if this player is town" vs "these actions makes sense if this player is mafia"

[Alisae]

idunno the biggest advice I can give you when it comes to getting reads in general, to quote radiantcowbells "Trying to determine intellectually what scum are likely or not likely to do is far less effective than determining what scum actually do and looking for it."

[Alisae]

LONG HAVE WE WAITED SHEEP IS OUTDATED BANANA BREAD OVERRATED ALISAE ACTIVATED

LMAO

[Alisae]

i felt like he was misconstruing your posts in a way that reminds me of my last game where he was scum.

This is a line of conversation I want to pick back up on later

[Alisae]

@Tris/anyone who feels lost

- If you could try explaining your worldview that would be helpful!

[Alisae]

i have a big tournament match tomorrow in pokemon so im actually less available than i thought because im going to be teambuilding today mostly lol

facing one of the top players in the format and I need to prove myself, i know the guy is lazy vs people he underestimates lol

Remember that the meta is what beats the meta glgl!!!!!!

[Alisae]

also vgc > singles

[Alisae]

Voting sheep is a good idea ya

[Alisae]

@Tris/anyone who feels lost

- If you could try explaining your worldview that would be helpful!

i have no idea. i hadn't been putting in proper effort to comprehend the game and it takes a lot of effort for me to make sense of stuff. the fight killed my motivation to make the effort, but im here now ready to whatever. neither my garlicbread read or my sheep read exist in my head anymore. theres a couple of things that my gut said were town koba, but i need to take a more comprehensive look at their activity before i can feel that thats correct.

Forget about garlic bread you can do that one last or rely on me if you trust me

[Alisae]

Garlic Bread isn't an elimination today (at least I'm not voting it) so you don't need to solve it right now

[Alisae]

you have a decent amount of time to sit on your butt and let thread events marinate

[Alisae]

idk what the deal with garly and ali going from friends to enemies to friends and coming out of it with a renewed "lets go back to limming sheep" purpose but it feels like theres some shadowy cabal work going on somewhere. or maybe theyre just town who have been doing Dialectics

Elaborate

[Alisae]

What is wrong w/ VP's approach to me? I think his approach to me post-big mode is ok so far

[Alisae]

this is a ﬩town post

Sheep saying we have days left is not townie. Any alignment can point out how many days we have. Its not an alignment indicative thing.

[Alisae]

That sunflora has Desolate Land

[Alisae]

its ok d1 is hard and it is hard to be 100% accurate day 1 u have to be really good at mafia

[Alisae]

SHEEP CLAIM

[Alisae]

ok

[Alisae]

KILL THE SHEEP
SHEER ITS WOOL
KILL THE SHEEP
SHEER ITS WOOL

[Alisae]

me three
i think the wolf team is vp baller and sheep again

[Alisae]

or its vp baller & shea

i still want to run a lawnmower through shea vp baller and sheep

[Alisae]

sowwy

[Alisae]

oh my garlic and shea throw shit at each other part 2

[Alisae]

oh my garlic and shea throw shit at each other part 2

Let's not do that pls

I agree w/ the cigarette man

[Alisae]

I agree with conversations about why Sheep is town

[Alisae]

no fighting only skygazing

[Alisae]

Hello?
Any Sheep Defenders?
Can Sheep Defenders make their case please

[Alisae]

can we do it again but this time dedicate 1 post for argument for each side and 1 post for counter-argument for each side and then go from there tyvm

[Alisae]

oh ok goodbye shea

[Alisae]

Garlic Bread must be aligned with the mafia, clearly

[Alisae]

I would know all about it I'm their right hand man I'm actually being hard coached this game

[Alisae]

Koba is writing all of my posts

[Alisae]

I don’t think anyone posting and shea v garlic is related
I think 24 hours would go by and nothing would happen

[Alisae]

Ausuka's flavor is very cute

[Alisae]

Someone needs to be the D1 elim it should probably just be sheep
I'm not really interested in running up anyone else and forcing another slot to claim and people are lost

can we just go to night?

[Alisae]

i dont see anyone else posting after I posted the quotes, weird, must be some hidden posts

you are such an unpleasant person. No one is posting because you make the game deeply unpleasant to play.

are you having fun this game?
I don't understand why this post is necessary to make