RED CROWN TOURNAMENT DAY ELEVEN: The Contest of the Princes

[AniX]

Player refers to the now locked-in users with the 11 highest point scores listed above.

User refers to this group AND any of the people listed with points.

[biancospino]

Oh, well, if we're trying to get people to actually pay attention and do things in a complex order then it's plenty doable since apparently infinite points can be generated with Power of the 11th Hour. Heck bianco, you technically should be able to do it yourself since it just says "a player of your choice" but doesn't rule out giving them to yourself.

And even if AniX ruled against giving points to yourself, it would just take two people working in tandem giving each other points and creating Mr. 11th Hours with them and point boosting them/taking points from leaders and boosting each other as needed.

Question is, does AniX have to approve the transactions before more can be made with the newly generated points? Because I just don't think there's nearly enough time for a long chain of transactions like that unless AniX is spending the next 12 hours staring intently at this thread constantly refreshing it.

Ok, so we actually do need a mod to play along to generate infinite points to fill the leaderboard with Misters 11th-Hour.
The worst can do it, otherwise I can spend 2*3+10 to bring T-Bone down from the list of players and then he can do it

@T-Bone, @worst, are any of you willing to do this?

[Aureal]

"Player" is undefined but as used in "You may also pool your points with as many players as you’d like to go for bigger and bigger impacts" it definitely includes people who are not top eleven. Perhaps it even excludes top eleven ("contestants" seems to be the word used to mean "everyone with points") but that seems like a needless complication but it should definitely include you. There's also "non-player users" which I take to mean any forum users who didn't earn points.

[AniX]

I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.

[AniX]

Users may otherwise use themselves as a valid selection, subject to those definitions however.

[biancospino]

Wait. @AniX, do you count as a mod?

[AniX]

Yes

[Aureal]

I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.

It feels a little off that now only moderators can be awarded points to join top eleven but it's probably for the best. Don't you love trying to balance games?

Didn't answer whether you need to authorize the point expenditure/boost though or if some moderator like T-Bone can just post a long sequence that modifies their own points repeatedly.

[biancospino]

Yes

Ok, so, here's

a

plan. I'll transfer 22 points to you via the [0] cost option; if you then promise to do the following in this order:

• buy [8] targeting you six times in a row. You'll have 912 points after that.
  
• For each player, buy [2] targeting them enough time that their score becomes 0.
  
• buy [22] 11 times.

Deal?
This should bypass the need to authorize payments, since the buyer is also the authorizer

[Aureal]

AniX can't do the first step that many times or else AniX ends up on the board and unable to spend points.

[biancospino]

No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought

[AniX]

I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.

It feels a little off that now

only moderators can be awarded points to join top eleven

but it's probably for the best. Don't you love trying to balance games?

Didn't answer whether you need to authorize the point expenditure/boost though or if some moderator like T-Bone can just post a long sequence that modifies their own points repeatedly.

This is not technically correct

I do not need to explicitly authorize point spending, no.

[Aureal]

No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought

Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?

[biancospino]

No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought

Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?

Well no, since then AniX would most likely get on the board at first place. Note that [22] explicitly put Mr. 11H

onto

the board

[VashtaNeurotic]

So the plan is simple, the top 3 don't try to gain any more points. We then need someone to buy At the Last Minute, this kicks off TBone who can buy it again. Then we rinse and repeat until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours except the top 3, then we need people to boost all of those Mr. 11th hours above the leader, then buy a new one, boost that, etc... until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours.

[Aureal]

This is not technically correct

Okay,

technically

0 could still be used to give non mods points. It's not very likely to be too relevant though.

No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought

Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?

Well no, since then AniX would most likely get on the board at first place. Note that [22] explicitly put Mr. 11H

onto

the board

What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?

I guess that makes sense though. Darn cheaters Mr. 11th Hour and his special board-busting privilege.

[biancospino]

What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?

I mean, if AniX rebels and try to get on the board it suffices for a user with >=19 points to buy [9] targeting Anix, then [10]. So it's not a concern

[biancospino]

So the plan is simple, the top 3 don't try to gain any more points. We then need someone to buy At the Last Minute, this kicks off TBone who can buy it again. Then we rinse and repeat until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours except the top 3, then we need people to boost all of those Mr. 11th hours above the leader, then buy a new one, boost that, etc... until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours.

If every player agrees, yes.
But if T-Bone agrees, at that point we can just be collectively lazy and have him do all the work via the infinite points cheat

[Aureal]

What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?

I mean, if AniX rebels and try to get on the board it suffices for a user with >=19 points to buy [9] targeting Anix, then [10]. So it's not a concern

Oh no, rebellious mods? They could just sequence things to keep everyone else under 19 points to prevent us from stopping their rampage, though.

[biancospino]

They can't since, say, you are not a player, so not a possible [2] target.

(There is a way to work around that, but I'm not elaborating)

[AniX]

This is not technically correct

Okay,

technically

0 could still be used to give non mods points. It's not very likely to be too relevant though.

Users, even those not in the top 11, are not forbidden from earning points through the methods that have been used to generate points throughout the tournament.

But the rest of you still have your parts to play. You have points burning a hole in your pocket. It is time to spend them.

Hell, you might even want to earn more to spend more.

Please note that all active Contests are STILL active.

While users who are not in the top 11 are NOT eligible to win, they can still earn more points to spend

.

[Aureal]

They can't since, say, you are not a player, so not a possible [2] target.

(There is a way to work around that, but I'm not elaborating)

I expect it's possible through the right combination of reducing points of current players to put lower-point users on the board and then reducing their points as well; though tricky since the mod would have to avoid being on the board themself when activating 10 but retain enough points to keep giving themself points afterwards. They probably would want to hit everyone with 3 as well, to make sure any remaining points couldn't be pooled.

Users, even those not in the top 11, are not forbidden from earning points through the methods that have been used to generate points throughout the tournament.

Yeah but that's not being

awarded

points here, that's the old-fashioned way of

earning

them.

That actually makes this a lot more complicated though since it's not defined when points are earned through contests. Presumably when the post documenting it is made. That makes for hella complicated interaction with a point list that can constantly change through point expenditure, but doesn't refresh itself without someone explictly spending points to make it do so.

Also that seems to mean that someone could go earn like 165 points from updating the wiki today to move into the points lead if nothing else changes, but would have to spend 10 points to actually be put onto the player list. And would thus then only be at 155 points and no longer in the lead.

(I think if you're going to do this again, maybe this phase should be after other point earn opportunities have closed. )

[Cook]

Mr. 11th Hour spam also would be a good way to do that too

[Cook]

we should give 19 points to vash and 25 points to aureal so we're tied

[Cook]

Hey "users"! Wanna join up with me? Come get your chef hats! It's not worth any points whatsoever for me to do this, so act quickly!