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hi I'll be back to slay after my v/la

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VOTE: furtiveglance

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for my part mostly yeah

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Im going to say yes just to be difficult

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Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4

I don't believe you can restrain yourself that long

that's why we say yes, give him a free pass, and see how long it is before he breaks

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Just to be clear that's not going to help sort him, but it will be funny

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VOTE: zzzx

Why zzzx?

I know you don't like d1 so I'm not like, gonna make this a thing

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I like Lich

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I was hoping std could be my spicy first townread but he's my spicy second townread

Back from vla but still picking up the pieces for a bit so I won't be my present overbearing self for a few more days but I'm here !!!

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hi jv been a bit missed u

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I was hoping std could be my spicy first townread but he's my spicy second townread

Back from vla but still picking up the pieces for a bit so I won't be my present overbearing self for a few more days but I'm here !!!

Who's your spicy first townread?

lich is my first townread, it's not particularly spicy but I feel like tempura lich would enjoy a spicy sauce on the side

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I do townread Flavor Leaf though, with the self-vote being the main impetus for a Flavor Leaf townread (I doubt scum would self-vote early Day 1)

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I must be Town too.

JV is town damn

what makes you say so?

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Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

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i'm like a little nervous about psyche? but i don't want to be because i want to play with psyche

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I just always assume I’m gonna be night killed tbh, and when I’m not, cool. I can flip flop all my reads and throw scum for a loop

i'd n1 you any day (in the kindest way possible)

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Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

So you’re happy just to ignore it.

Interesting.

Not bad. Just interesting enough to note.

sure, note away

i haven't checked your iso lately where are you at on tl, jv and dragons?

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i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

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ah valid i might've been inferring more antagonism from u towards tl than u intended

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+1 what fl is saying here

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my thoughts are that I need to reevaluate my entire lead rist as I'm kind of unable to sort anymore

cool, i don't have a read list yet, which ones excite you the most i'll start there

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what's wrong with appreviating flampura lich and tempor leaf?

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i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

I think it’s worth talking about. I don’t see the point of not caring about it? I like the discussion that’s come from it a lot.

And I’m town on Jackson, mixed on TL, and who was the other one?

STD? Idk. Not town reading them. Maybe lean scum, not quite lean scum. Their pop in hard confident reads always gut ping me as scum.

My gut is generally good with STD as the game goes on, though

i think we read dragons in very different ways
i've played against scum!dragons twice in a row, and found his early hard confident pop-ins aren't an alignment tell. if they're idiosyncratic and interesting, i think they're a strong town indicator. i think scum!dragons can also be idiosyncratic, but tends to throw those odd early votes to slots which look worse over slots which i *feel* he thinks are scum.

i really liked his zzzx vote. i have no feelings about klazam and that's also a like fine vote.

maybe i'm too attached to trying to snipe his alignment 6 minutes into the game,, whatver

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but I will say this

UNVOTE:

Klazam seems town now with the recent posts

what did u like about them

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work bbl

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This list helps me, not because of the order of players, but because it introduces me to players I didn't realise were in the game

i choked on my drink, HARD same

i have like 70 issues with the fact i'm gonna temporarily blindly sheep this vote,
but, uh,
VOTE: bianco

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I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

You're voting Bianco but she's only light Scum to you, and you're not voting any of us currently that are lean Scum. So, shouldn't you be voting one of us instead?

do you have any guesses as for why he might be? i'm working a theory

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if I'm playing seriously I'm playing

very badly

To mutate JV's comment: honestly, who cares if you're playing badly. It's a multiball large. The universal townreads today will be slightly worse than random, the town MVP will be randomly killed in the crossfire and flip scum n1, we'll catch their entire team and then proceed to lose to whichever other scum are still alive.

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I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

You're voting Bianco but she's only light Scum to you, and you're not voting any of us currently that are lean Scum. So, shouldn't you be voting one of us instead?

do you have any guesses as for why he might be? i'm working a theory

That I don't know.

I do know that it doesn't appear to be consistent.

Fair enough. What does that inconsistency mean for your read on FL?

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This list helps me, not because of the order of players, but because it introduces me to players I didn't realise were in the game

i choked on my drink, HARD same

i have like 70 issues with the fact i'm gonna temporarily blindly sheep this vote,
but, uh,
VOTE: bianco

What issues?

remind me to circle back to this in a few (irl) days i'm not really motivated to answer it right now

how are your reads going?

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fair enough. anything particularly noteworthy?

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i'm in skim mode too we're kind of stuck

let's start a really spicy wagon

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me too

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i'm pretty much back from vacation unavailability now just like, not motivated to keep on top of this game rn

current prognosis is low energy for the rest of d1, should have a pretty fresh mind to solve this game when it's a lot less noisy.

speaking of which - what have i missed since page 34

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y'all i'm tired as shit i have zero spoons for this.

i'm finding i suddenly dislike every TL post i've seen while trying to read back. i've liked what i've seen from pisskop like, at a really rough tonal level. i'm also getting a warm vibe from snivy.

i'm getting the feeling there might have been an FL wagon i missed, is there anything particularly spicy i can read about that without reading the whole way back?

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y'all i'm tired as shit i have zero spoons for this.

i'm finding i suddenly dislike every TL post i've seen while trying to read back. i've liked what i've seen from pisskop like, at a really rough tonal level. i'm also getting a warm vibe from snivy.

i'm getting the feeling there might have been an FL wagon i missed, is there anything particularly spicy i can read about that without reading the whole way back?

FLs self vote.

Bbmolla probably right

VOTE: Flavor

this one?

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i have been literally on vacation but like, i am surprised i'm not really being talked about. my ego can't deal.

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VOTE: shaddowez

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VOTE: shaddowez

Reasons?

dwelling on this (below) exchange, i felt like shaddowez was finding a reason to move onto camel, i thought camel's reaction to shaddowez' vote feels kind of earnest? and i thought it was surprising that shaddowez posted immediately after without finding camel's reaction noteworthy in the slightest

as for the rest of shaddowez' iso like, i don't know, there's plenty in there but it feels fairly surface? i'm on the hunt for organic original thought which doesn't feel like it's coming from an informed perspective or adhering to an agenda. i'm very critical of people who want to be seen as doing towny things, or doing the analysis thing, in a public way. i think shaddowez is kind of in that null-comfortable space and they're someone who i hope gets a bit more attention.

It appears I'm on an opposing schedule from most of you, I leave for the day and come back to 20ish more pages.

VOTE: the worst

this is the worst player by far

This was after T3 let us know they were V/LA in 1236. Even if you have no reads you're putting a vote where nobody else is even looking, essentially just parking for no good reason. It's not even like you're trying to get a wagon started on them since you provided no good reasoning except a pun on their name. You also vote parked on Merlyn early on for not doing anything, while not engaging.

Approximately half of your votes are fluff, and with the exception of the thin case on BBmolla none of your votes have had any semblance of logic behind them.

The random post from BB still doesn't make sense to me, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense as a slip either. Going to look at IAVH a little more before sheeping that wagon, but I'm comfortable here for now:

VOTE: camel

the pun was for fun but it had a point: the worst hadn't done much. did you have a problem with the early wagon on bianco?

VOTE: shaddowez

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david - no content but i like the impression of iavh dislike the impression of flavor

What do you think my impression of Flavor is?

Pedit
VOTE: JacksonVirgo pagetop this

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

This voting is a red flag for me

You haven't seen an old guy smack a youngster to get their attention?
Yeah, I know that isn't politically correct any more.

this isnt alignment indicative but come on

town irl

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y'all i'm tired as shit i have zero spoons for this.

i'm finding i suddenly dislike every TL post i've seen while trying to read back. i've liked what i've seen from pisskop like, at a really rough tonal level. i'm also getting a warm vibe from snivy.

i'm getting the feeling there might have been an FL wagon i missed, is there anything particularly spicy i can read about that without reading the whole way back?

can you elaborate on how your TL read progressed/the posts that made it do so? because last i remember you were content to either townbin or just not sort him. whats he done recently thats different from what he was doing at the beginning of the game?

to be totally upfront: TL has as many posts as the total number of posts i've paid attention to in the entire game, so this isn't going to be a great case. i'm content to not deal with sorting TL d1 because they're doing a lot and i think they're likely to be sorted mechanically or become more obvious later in the game. i think their tone at the start of the game felt, like, enthusiastic in a way that doesn't seek to be traditionally charismatic, which is usually a positive for me, so i haven't been paying much attention to them since. i haven't played with TL a tonne but i know it doesn't take a huge scum range to be able to put on this kind of tone. just a loose positive.

in the last like, half of this phase so far, i feel like TL's tone has flattened a lot? they're still doing things, they still have opinions. i think they're making less of an effort to initiate/progress conversations, and more of an effort to be seen to have reads. i also just keep seeing posts where i'm not sure if i can see TL making an effort to assess players' motivations behind things.

just like, some fairly pink flags through TL's iso. i'm kind of approaching these from a more red perspective than i did originally i hope it's illustrative of why i'm at least not content just lazy townbinning TL.

okay bbmolla 100% scum slipped

idk how to read 847 any other way

VOTE: BBmolla

onto a slot TL has been hard townreading thus far

yeah I really dislike the Shrek wagon, and I was only considering it because Flavor Leaf was the main pusher of that wagon

guess Flavor Leaf really is scum this game

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

this is only compounded by Flavor Leaf scumreading BBmolla in 779

pivot onto FL who they've previously binned as ~unsortable~ is on surface, fine, but i would have expected some kind of display of organic thought for someone as vocal as TL making a move onto another highly influential player in the list?

here's my PoE as of current time: Flavor Leaf, BBmolla, Psyche, furtiveglance, Hu Tao, iamveryhappy

I'm confident that Flavor Leaf and BBmolla are scum, however.

Is that for the 'slip'?

BBmolla for the slip, Flavor Leaf for pretty much openwolfing

this is from TL's era of ostensibly having big opinions so i guess it's kind of jank that it's giving me cold sweats but neither the reads on bbm or fl felt organic; going from hard townreading bbm to having bbm as high-certainty-scum based on a super tenuous slip feels inorganic. i am still looking for some trajectory on the FL read. i can't really work out if FL & BBM are meant to be scum together or not, i don't think that's actually all that important for my read on TL but i'd also be interested in some more reasoning behind that?

of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

the vote pivot onto iavh & this kind of stuff also feels more like a safe way to hone in on that POE above rather than like, a read which i think i believe





other than that there's a lot of fluff posts (mood) and a lot of reads which feel just, similarly underwhelming? i wish i could offer more here, i just have zero interest in trying to take an accurate guess at TL's alignment anymore. i'm also not interested in casing. i don't think it's a good use of my time. interested to hear where you're at with this though i guess

nice to see you again btw

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why do people not like snivy? i think they're towny?

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of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

i'm reading this with context now and i agree with tl lol

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Frankly, one thing BBm and I can agree with is don’t care too much who ya fade on Day 1, just find someone you think isn’t townie and fade them.

If they flip town, it’s really not the end of the world. 55%+ is good odds on a Day 1

That's why we should fade duckyboi

rough

It’s possible i just like duck

i like me too

just friendly reminder there is a reason i avoid larges; you will not have the full duck experience until the playerlist thins out a bit, v/la or no

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i think i consistently really like TL in real time, and consistently find their posts are just like missing a bit of that oomph factor. TL is a player who posts like, conversationally and relies on thread context, i guess.

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iavh is in the middle at worst lmao

All your opinions are so strange this game

what does this mean to you? out of interest

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It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t

IIRC you even explained the progression, unless I'm thinking of a different one.

am i the only one who reads this as a pocketing attempt rather than just neutral support? going to a widely read town like ‘well

i

think your reads are well thought out’ just reeks of fishing for approval

i think i missed that tone inference or w/e but i like this

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If camel flips scum, between the sheep on me and this there's no way the worst is town:

i'm also getting a warm vibe from snivy.

Note: At the point of that post, camel had just recently hopped on the happy wagon based on pisskop's suggestion without any reason, and had been on the worst right before that.

Do you think they are in your view partnered or simply both scum but from different factions

Rethinking it, my initial though process doesn't actually make sense. I was thinking same faction because otherwise whether camel flips town or scum the worst's actions would be the same level of scuminess. However, it is a bit too blatant for them to be s/s (although not out of the question, it could be iocaine powder)

iocaine powder is my favourite alternate terminology for wifom

based on this why are you not scumreading me independent of snivy's alignment?

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why do people not like snivy? i think they're towny?

chat

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obviously yes. don't overthink it just enjoy.

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of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

i'm reading this with context now and i agree with tl lol

im trying to comprehend why scum!iamveryhappy would do this

like its so bad and afaik iamveryhappy is omgussing here

iavh can you explain how you wouldve prefered people to percieve your post, because it does look like ate

as i write this post, my soul sighs because i always feel this way. i don't know how to read iavh here but i do not believe anything iavh has done.

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obviously yes. don't overthink it just enjoy.

ya but aside from FL who changed his mind no one else has expressed a townread on me lmao

idk i follow my gut, doubly so in multiball

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hmm i think it takes a pretty exceptional scumteam to rope in someone with 226 posts over ~4 days but that's a good point.

i'm actually just reading back through your iso now. i absolutely remember you from survivor legendary, i was super pumped when i saw you joined this game

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i really wanted to ask where your reads are at but like tbh i think i still like a lot of 552 from you - do you have any reads which have developed significantly from there?

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i actually agree with your first assessment (@ducky) in that my opinion of TL is that hes probably derptown because if he had a scum pt they’d have stopped his butt from saying things like ‘we should speedlim FL’ a LONG time ago

the fact hes still the focus after 50+ pages proves hes at least riding solo

But then you risk changing how TL plays the game, they are generally a bit fast and loose.

I feel like you are playing up the wifom card too much in regards to them.

just drink the wine.

i like the callout but what's on your mind here? do you feel very confident on TL's alignment?

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Haven't read much up on them yet tbh, but as I hinted at I know how their style can be.......and this was more a commentary on Shrek and not TL, but does remind me that I need to look at TL a bit more deeply, but repping into D1 in a 23 player game.......not trying to try hard too much initially lol.

i feel that lol. tl is also a really bad starting point if you're not feeling strongly

i get tl's playstyle in general, i think the feeling i'm settling on is that if tl is scum, they are not the member of the team who is intended to come out of d1 looking particularly towny - they're in chaos / attack mode, not playing a long game

in my heart of hearts i can't bring myself to townread tl outright, but i think they're a fairly bad yeet right now


do you have many reads cooking atp?

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Haven't read much up on them yet tbh, but as I hinted at I know how their style can be.......and this was more a commentary on Shrek and not TL, but does remind me that I need to look at TL a bit more deeply, but repping into D1 in a 23 player game.......not trying to try hard too much initially lol.

i feel that lol. tl is also a really bad starting point if you're not feeling strongly

i get tl's playstyle in general, i think the feeling i'm settling on is that if tl is scum, they are not the member of the team who is intended to come out of d1 looking particularly towny - they're in chaos / attack mode, not playing a long game

in my heart of hearts i can't bring myself to townread tl outright, but i think they're a fairly bad yeet right now


do you have many reads cooking atp?

I think we are on the same page in regards to TL.

My reads are a work in progress tbh, I am not the type to sub into a large with 50+ pages and catch up from the beginning, so I am trying to play in real time.

no worries, I feel like I'm in limbo a bit too and think talking to y'all has helped me get my reads down much more than reading

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Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

It's nice to see someone else who's finding Klazam just like, very towny. Also dig the hard townread on RN.

Actually I like this list a bunch

What makes you like Naerys & shaddowez? & do you have like, a specific reason to scumread furtive?

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Iavh is a bomb that explodes after dying
He might be wolf, tbh. His frustrated post does not feel entirely honest

I'm replying to Naerys but asking the world. I'm a bit behind on the Normal queue and doing other things rn; is there anything other than Vengeful which activates on yeet?

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I already think csf is town

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I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL

But you agree that Klazam and Random Nurse can be at the same tier?

I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.

Is there anything that's bothering you about me or are you just finding the townreads too free?

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don't exactly agree that tw's tl profile is much of a towntell. scum with decent intuitions about what makes someone look town (and tw probably has those) can fake the sort of diffidence on display there. and i honestly raised an eyebrow or two when they seemed to imply that they frequently agree with things TL says. can't even count how many times i've had to keep myself from quotereplying a TL post with something like "???"

valid

the classification of TL as someone I frequently agree with is like, a little blurry. I'd say they're closer to the type of player where at an intellectual level, I can understand why they're making the posts they're making, but we have very different playstyles and there's a very small % of things TL posts where I'm like "oh me too"

I had to take two goes at writing this up because I don't think it technically makes any sense & i doubt it helps you much with sorting me, just felt worth clearing up. Ihope it makes some sense. like, unscientifically.

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why do people not like snivy? i think they're towny?

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It does seem a bit strange for the worst not to comment on your push on them here.

i'm not super interested in it. i feel a kind of impostor syndrome when i'm posting in a game i'm not interested in, so i'm aware that i feel flat & underwhelming when i'm v/la and not reading the thread. i think it's reasonable for town to be wary of that and i think it's easy for scum to take advantage of that.

unfortunately it doesn't really help me solve snivy, and i'm not like, threatened by it so i wasn't compelled to talk about it

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on the flipside i am threatened by jacksonvirgo pushing me because it hurts my feelings.

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i'm not worried. was there some kind of response you were looking for from me re. snivy's push on me?

want to be pocket buddies?

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oh right, it's been a while.

I'm just gonna treat it as a joke

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you know what i mean

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VOTE: zzzx

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staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)


i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

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also supercvtecyberb0y! can read me while a bunch of regs here can't F

It's a shame I don't know any of the people you're talking about. I'm sure you have a very established meta in another community, but I find you indecipherable here.

Any thoughts on the game?

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What makes you like Naerys & shaddowez? & do you have like, a specific reason to scumread furtive?

furtive felt wooden early and still feels like a background character when I expect him to have more of a presence

Naerys' pop ins feel pretty natural to me. She's not a big presence in the game, but I feel like she gives her reads when they are topical. I like how she went off her intuition (one scum on FL wagon) and developed a scumread on someone from that wagon, and the thought process tracks to me

I feel like does shaddowez was reassessing reads without people prompting him to & I liked some of his reads, though looking back at his ISO I admit I don't feel as confident in this read

i feel like furtive is just doing furtive things. i don't think i ever find his posting style like, flowing and conversational - personally i'm not finding him any more wooden here than normal (admitting i am not a meta player in this era). i kind of like his reads. they are bizarre and outlandish and i kind of don't feel like he's making them up?

fair enough re. naerys. i don't really have any feelings about her yet.

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So far my first impressions is

naerys, shadow and cat town

exciting - can you talk me through shadow? naerys would be cool too

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I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?

1509

what are the other major reads you disagree with?

Random Nurse hasn't been remotely towny.

RN's on the lower end for me for sure

talk to me about RN more i don't agree

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I think I like furtive for town

ditto

staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)


i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

ok be kind it's a way of reading the gamestate, not a way of solving alignments

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i think furtive is like possibly my strongest townread i did not expect this when i signed up for this game

the hu tao and iavh wagons are, like, absolutely fine. if i had to rate them out of 10 i'd refuse and whisper "they're fine". i really like the zzzx wagon i feel like it's filled with folks who are doing more thinking than talking which is ++++ for me in a multiball game

i do wish that shaddowez was easier to wagon ngl

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i'm on a laptop with bad office wifi y'all pediting me an average of 3 times

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I don't think Duck/CSF is T/T.

I'm townreading the duck, quite a lot

are we besties now is this how it happens

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Flavor has a knack for things. And Im inclined to just smile and say yup until it begins to looks like conspiracy theory.

I think what makes flavor look the best is how many scenarios he's pouring over.

this makes my brain do little fireworks

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like it occurs to me that there's worlds where FL is powerwolfing here, setting up future mislims, pulling the strings, having totally wild reads on totally underwhelming slots

but also

it's FL

of course he is let's enjoy it and pray he's not scum :')

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on the flipside i am threatened by jacksonvirgo pushing me because it hurts my feelings.

I'm hardly pushing you, I just don't think the TRs on you are worth their weight.

i think they should be challenged for sure. but i've liked some of them.

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was also joking about my feelings obviously <3

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staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)


i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

Not sure the point you're trying to make here

not much of one just an observation. there's a lot of people with a lot of presence/control who agree that iavh (a very low-influence slot) is worth wagoning and i'm just like, not on the same page. where other wagons seem to be mostly players who are a lot less active.

like the iavh wagon is fine. i'm not anti. it's just.. fine. i'm not motivated to join it. i'm like, fine if it goes through. everything about it seems so meh to me.

i'm kind of surprised the folks with the most presence are consolidating on something quite boring?

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The Worst is scum with IAVH,

talk to me about this. This is something I can potentially see based on voting patterns, and the way the Duck backed up CSF the way they did.

Is there more than 2 scum in each faction? Kinda feel like there would be.

Again this is a bit of a take, and based off gut.....but I seem to remember the Worst being a bit more aggressive, and their interaction with me last night was almost going out of there way to be nice, through me off.

i wouldn't expect to be characterised as aggressive this kinda took me by surprise. i don't feel motivated yet so it doesn't surprise me that i'm jarringly chill.

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And this right here, the non-stance on the IAVH wagon......no matter what the flip is, they can wipe their hands clear of it and seemingly not look too bad.

interesting, i think my issue is the opposite, i literally don't understand why people care about the iavh wagon

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Where the fuck is everyone?

Yeah, i wanna post more but I’m trying not to overtake the thread

How are you going to overtake the thread there's 22 other fuckers here.

Lol.

Nah homie is a bunch of questions but where's the follow up? I could understand null.

97 is a post doomed to age poorly lmfao

i think i like nurse because his questions feel like things i genuinely expect town!nurse to be thinking about. i don't know his scumgame all that well admittedly but there's a kind of window into the soul via the types of things he's been asking about which feels kind of uninformed

wow this is a weird soulread to try and explain with real words

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Hmmm, we may be actually looking at this the same way actually......with slightly different views of the wagon.

Why shoulnd't people care about it?

because iavh has done like nothing except complain about being wagoned. they're not towny, they're not scummy, the wagon has just squashed their motivation to play the game constructively. i don't have a read on them, the wagon obviously isn't helping us sort them (maybe if we get it closer to yeet, but meeehhh). it's just a boring wagon on a boring slot and i kind of want more exciting things to happen. iavh's actual flip feels close to rand and i don't feel like i'm getting any closer to having a read.

i don't think i've been subtle about this wagon, or at least i didn't mean to - it's dull. i might even join it if we get to EOD, need a flip, and iavh is still useless. but it's not productive so i am not entertaining it right now.



did you want me to talk about the meta stuff you're seeing? i'm far from full power, i'm just like, not motivated here yet. and the number of hours i have to devote to mafia don't make me think i can force it. i usually avoid larges and avoid multiball for this reason.

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plus, they dont really pass the vibe check rn, and everyone else is vibin, even the people i think can be scum.

even snivy vibin

wait what i feel like i've never seen iavh vibe lmfao

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i think town are more likely than random, by far, to underwhelm on day one of a multiball game!

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end of the day, this is a game for the people who get to end game. the rest of us are just here to splash our paint around for them to dissect later.

Yes, I dont expect to be alive late game at all, even though I wanna be so bad, cuz i love solving in Multiball end game.

screw that i'm 110% selfish mode here, i want to be around late-game so bad

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i think town are more likely than random, by far, to underwhelm on day one of a multiball game!

by what odds

i think in a large multiball game, scum are more likely to coast, so this could just be a players are more likely than random to underwhelm, and the few tryhards will...well, try hard

interesting. i think it's much easier for scum to look superficially towny via legitimately scumhunting. i think that makes it a lot harder to catch scum. it also creates a gamestate where folks tend to look more superficially towny on average which makes scumhunting harder which (imo) reduces the amount an average town player is willing to do.

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i don't think i've seen a BBM post this entire game

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oh nvm i saw the ones tl reacted to

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sure bbm wagon feels good

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i think town are more likely than random, by far, to underwhelm on day one of a multiball game!

by what odds

i think in a large multiball game, scum are more likely to coast, so this could just be a players are more likely than random to underwhelm, and the few tryhards will...well, try hard

interesting. i think it's much easier for scum to look superficially towny via legitimately scumhunting. i think that makes it a lot harder to catch scum. it also creates a gamestate where folks tend to look more superficially towny on average which makes scumhunting harder which (imo) reduces the amount an average town player is willing to do.

That makes sense.

It’s interesting to see the different thought processes when it comes to Multiball.

I feel like late game, with flips, Day 1 can be more damning to scum who were try to scum hunt, because in the end, they really are only searching for half of the amount

granted! i do think players with a fair bit of experience own d1 in multiball. i just think i see what i outlined in more players on average.

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i think furtive is like possibly my strongest townread i did not expect this when i signed up for this game

the hu tao and iavh wagons are, like, absolutely fine. if i had to rate them out of 10 i'd refuse and whisper "they're fine". i really like the zzzx wagon i feel like it's filled with folks who are doing more thinking than talking which is ++++ for me in a multiball game

i do wish that shaddowez was easier to wagon ngl

Based on last game I had with you, why do you think I'm scum and what's different

shrug

i haven't really felt anything from you yet, i feel like a fairly small number of players have an opinion on you so far. so the wagon works.

admittedly, last game i kind of got lazy with sorting you when i caught the tpr read so i may not have, like, a strong nuanced meta connection to that game when i get around to reading you but i intend to talk about my thoughts when they start happening

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UNVOTE:

Not sure who is scum

Why did you unvote here?

I actually iso'd them and I don't hate their posts.

I know you aren’t talking about zzzx

I am. He seems more annoyed than scum. But I guess it can come from either scum or town but not worth voting out over

noting that your vote was mercenary and like, was it dragons?, talked you onto zzzx

how are your reads coming along? is there anyone you feel compelled to vote?

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@hu tao thinking about it, after our last game i think if anything i'm more likely to catch a vibe from you a bit later in the game. maybe i'm waiting for you to do more things in the hopes one of them makes my read strengthen idk.

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The problem with iavh is that he doesnt really bring anything to the town, doesnt post any thought or anything, just trolls around.
Even if he is town, he could be fine elim.

sure i'd be fine with him flipping. but is there nothing else you want to accomplish this phase first?

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200 pages? amateurs

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why did you ever think iavh was scum

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like i am not joking please teach me your magic. how do you have an opinion.

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i'm not drowning but my arms hurt, i'm just laying on my back and hoping i can stay afloat

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Posting because I hate everyone and want them to suffer having to read this post

quoting for the same reason

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What are we doing?

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I don't think anything of note has happened since CSF's entrance and I still don't get why she's being voted.

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I think the fact you're considering everyone but voting very few people is the thing that's making me the least nervous about kinda leaving you to do ur thing this phase

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I have got this nagging feeling that there is person reveling in creating chaos. Is it FL? Is it somebody else?

Honestly I feel like this phase is very low chaos. Wagons are sluggish, we keep settling on low content slots & people who are exerting low charisma (not personal disparagement, just how they've approached this game.

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I think the fact you're considering everyone but voting very few people is the thing that's making me the least nervous about kinda leaving you to do ur thing this phase

What are your thoughts on Hu Tao and CSF?

I like CSF's opening a lot. I agree with a decent few of their reads but I've enjoyed the way they've formed their reads I don't agree with innately. I also think she's someone who is very capable of oozing charisma and ~fitting in~ and she is very much not doing those things. This reminds me of like, very retro town!CSF energy from years ago.

Completely null on Hu Tao I trust them to keep things going later if they're town but like. who tao?

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I guess just Hu Tao, you have your CSF read

I have boring reads on like probably roughly half the player list including them

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given iavh's reaction this phase has been to like... aggressively not play the game... i do get that. but it feels like a policy lim.

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tw's latest weigh in doesn't further clarify my read on them. oh well
whoever has bianospino's slot is probably town. oh it's pisskop! ok that's useful
i think i feel the same way about merlyn's slot. but her posts were pretty solid on their own too.
bob's tough to read. see a splash of bbm's fatalism in here, but more of an effort to engage.
think i'll say ccs is town but i can't say im as committed as i am to other townreads ive announced.
still find it rather mysterious how people copped scumreads on cat. i have to lean town here
i can't read davesaz right now
or drew either? wow i suck
maybe i just need a break

I really like this post, in a way where I can't like point to exactly what I like about it, this also isn't the first time I've had this sensation looking at Psyche posts

+1 pisskop is towny

we share nullreads but my null list is really long.

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If you ever had 100 player games i wonder if it would actualy be possible to get 51 players to agree

normally for sanity's sake, 100p games have plurality at deadline (whoever has the most votes when the curtain drops is lim'd)

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@hu tao I'll bring cookies please be kind

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I played a 5-scumteam 102 player game on another site. The star of that show complaining that his style of game wasn't allowed on MS was what prompted me to check out the site.

Would you mind shooting me a DM about this postgame? I'm super curious.

Most types of games are like, allowed, it's just very hard to get certain types of games fired on certain sites

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I'm going to go back and work out at what point I talked myself into townreading Klazam later o7

VOTE: bob

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I'm gonna need a few days.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I can see what's happening, I don't really have the spoons to rebut or analyse Klazam rn this is mostly survival!

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I'll take it

VOTE: Psyche

It does occur to me that we have a flipped town rb so it's literally not a 99% guilty but >90% is sweet

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I think I weakly prefer going for mechanical probable scum over partner-read scum rn because we don't know numbers and we can get thoss sweet sweet cross-kills

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i feel kind of negligent voting hu tao based off associatives without having really had a chance to read them closely and i'd kinda rather only go back there if a "me or them" situation re-arises, i have no real strong feelings there

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also again. i have a role with effects that will be visible to every player and nonplayer if it succeeds during the night. even if it doesn't the target is very probably VT. yall could pick someone who hasn't claimed and tell me where to go. and then verify the next day either in the mod's post or the slot's claim

does this make your alignment confirmable or just your action?

haven't seen the claim yet if you've full-claimed

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im a complex vig the ability fails on vanillas tw its nice to meet u

nice to meet u too, you been well?

mm gotcha

i think this is unfortunately significantly more useufl for a lategame state where scum appear to be hiding amongst TPR claims

i guess there might be a fringe scenario where this role could be confiirmable but it seems pretty remote

wait is there a rolecop

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VOTE: hu tao nvm back on my bullshit

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if psyche is town, they're confirmable by a rolecop. i also independently think they've just been towny so :shrug:

the guilty is bad, but it's got elements of tenuousfulness. tenuousfulness is a thing now.

i'd be surprised if there *wasn't* a source of third kills in a game of this size and a vig just fits the bill really cleanly. i don't really know what the significance of a complex vig is but it's probably there for a reason. it becomes more valuable in a lategame where scum are hiding amongst pr claims.

psyche is also kind of outed as vig-or-scum so :shrug:


do we think psyche is aligned with klazam? if so they're worth yeeting later if it's likely to end their faction. if not, then they're still caught and removing them from the game isn't pressing at all. i'd rather go for less-caught scum who i townread less.

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i'm not going to check again. i will not be gaslit into doubting my ability to read pms. no. final answer.

are you

sure

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so has mine ngl

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sure i guess klazam's alignment would probably be a bit more nervous about survivalism than rand

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we aren't up to 200 pages yet smh

what's everyone's favourite fruit?

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hmm i did not clock that hu tao's wagon was still so significant

i guess self-hammering is a decision

i don't know

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are these posts really not funny? now i feel like im being gaslit

i enjoyed them, though i'm wary my sense of humour is probably not a reliable indication of what the average person finds funny

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grapefruit.

And celery is the best veggie

this is the most delightfully individualistic post i've read in a long time

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i really want to townread you with confidence too also i think you're a fair bit closer to townreadable than i am rn so i get that

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outsourcing - what are the odds of drew having blocked JV

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[align][/align]

i mean the opinion was null originally. i haven't taken the time to figure out why people scumread them. have been otherwise occupied.

if it's about the self-vote or the "don't investigate me", i'm just kind of unimpressed by the reasoning. but iirc, there was some kind of relational tell w klazam, right?

this is exactly where i'm at with hu tao and i hope someone else is doing more thinking than me,,

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Oh, I got a guilty on Psyche btw

Are you serious or joking?

JV claim joat w/a loyal fruit vend

he says he went to psyche

psyche has no fruit

pysche claimed complex vig who shot at bbm

OK, so I want either JV or Psyche to be flipped.

Now.

Unless JV recants I want follow-through on if Psyche was given a Loyal Fruit or not.

Psyche could lie and say he never received any fruit.

If Psyche flips Town then JV is Scum.

there's potentially a lot of power roles in this game and we have a flipped roleblocker

i don't think it's that simple, and i think removing two slots who are potentially confirmable based on a soft guilty is a bad idea

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outsourcing - what are the odds of drew having blocked JV

like 2%.

they crumbed to me it was gonna be me or Psyche.

alright fair, i did a skim and didn't really see anything leading to jv either

for me hu's got a lot of baggage w/klazam

psyche is a self-solving problem wrt his gun

and yeettttt this is very much where i end up

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am i being goofy? is psyche just, like actually guiltied?

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FL should flip before endgame, like obviously, i think that sort of happens autonomously

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automatically? brain empty

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am i being goofy? is psyche just, like actually guiltied?

i dont like how he's stringing out the day tbh

its not 'oh lets talk more'

its 'lamist yo'

i'm kind of indifferent on the drawing out the day thing, psyche is kinda right but it's not ai

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FL should flip before endgame, like obviously, i think that sort of happens autonomously

no way scum doesnt kill me before endgame. im like really upset i think im on my way soon.

pretty much agreed yeah i don't feel any pressing urge to mount a campaign against u i'm just wary that letting you live the whole way through this game is risky for all alignments

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FL should flip before endgame, like obviously, i think that sort of happens autonomously

no way scum doesnt kill me before endgame. im like really upset i think im on my way soon.

pretty much agreed yeah i don't feel any pressing urge to mount a campaign against u i'm just wary that letting you live the whole way through this game is risky for all alignments

i am pretty good at multiball too, that's fair.

I have a very good track record with both alignments in it

this exactly

just wary that the way you approach mb is likely to cause a good result for your alignment regardless of what that is

you also have a high quality of scumgame and aren't easy to catch

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ungated?

informed that other people are informed?

ungated = no restrictions (so not 1-shot bulletproof or anything; full bulletproof)

sure, informed about informed is a thing

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is it bad that i don't hate the idea of testing rn's bp claim?

i feel like his claim is the part of his play i townread the last by a margin

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if we have non-vanilla claims we don't townread that aren't, like, confirmable roles, they're worth considering

otherwise i tend towards low-activity slots that i don't think will be solvable by dayplay

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is there any urgency to exchange a positive test of psyche's vig claim for another tpr

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i feel less urgency about it but i'm not hugely bothered. there's my vote anyway.

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there's something missing from rn's claim and i'll give a prize to whoever notices it second

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the prize is really disappointing just so u know

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there's something missing from rn's claim and i'll give a prize to whoever notices it second

Go on.

do you have any guesses? the prize is still up for grabs

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oh i just realized. maybe im wrong. but this whole "let town pick my kill" thing may be proving to be a rather unfortunate engine for forcing PR claims?

that's part of why i'm phoning in the kill suggestions sorry

i think you're more sortable by some kind of rolecop etc. action than by a flip happening

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im inclined to pick the person myself and leave it to yall to decide later if the choice is/was scummy

i like this approach

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I don't really like rehashing prior discussion. But I'll do it for batman.

Now my brain has started doing it too automatically thanks I hate it

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I'm a JOAT*
I did not use a Gunsmith charge on you (keeping it vague with what I have left) but what I did use was a Loyal FV and he didn't claim he got one. Ironically enough, I have a Vigilante charge too so that's a hilarious coincidence if you're both a Vigilante and my check on you failed for external reasons.

I figured keeping that part (the FV) hidden and then calling out the guilty would prompt him to claim that he did in fact get targeted by one if he was hiding it but nah decided to go for my throat instead.
Obviously not gonna claim my other action/s nor how good they are or aren't.

here u go RN

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it's kind of embarassing to put it out there, particularly given how little i concretely accomplished, but i kinda gave this game an unreasonable amount of time yesterday to the extent that it messed with irl things. i just gotta pace myself is all.

I doubt this helps but I like talking so. With games this big I very much feel that the value of the benefit I get for putting in big effort is way too low to warrant the effort.

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That value definitely increases as more (loud!!) people die

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That value definitely increases as more (loud!!) people die

Is this a

crumb

?

It certainly

seems

like a crumb.

no did u read the prior post

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I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

You saying this right as you're 50% the target for the vig is quite the claim

glad someone else is pickin up what I'm pickin up

I'm also kind of wondering where like

RN's reads are on people who have treated him like they knew he was a town bulletproof

lol

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im inclined to pick the person myself and leave it to yall to decide later if the choice is/was scummy

i like this approach

I do not, it leaves him open to claim my shot

point, I wasn't aware you had a vig shot at the time

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Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it

bring it

.

If you are actually Town,

work with me

instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.

you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I stole Psyche's idea and read RN bold text in a batman voice and like. I don't know if it will help you like it's helped me but it's made this game 100 times better.

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I don't think its malicious lol I think that just felt more noteworthy than the surrounding posts to rn at that moment

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Anything of interest happening?

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Anything of interest happening?

I spoke about bunnings snags, apart from that no. Going in loops

Just like Bunnings. cool.

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BUT I have this self-indulgent townread on Psyche. I think his play since the "guilty" has been towny.

I'm kinda leaning towards following my homebrew read tbh, apologies in advance I realise I'm acting kinda stubborn

huge same

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Oh yeah good point
dave pinged me earlier btw I'm ready to wagon him when you want

Big

I don't think we'll get a lot of support for that wagon today, but assuming no guilties tomorrow I'll vote dave.

I kind of also don't scumread Psyche aside from claims, but I feel like we need to resolve the JV claim.

i'm down for a dave wagon this is like the fourth time i've forgotten he's in the game

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It's a soft guilty on a player who is towny, and who has a role which is really easy to hard check later. Idk I don't feel motivated to fade there.

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"There will be no class on Monday. I am Jewish."

Day 2 VC 6:

Hu Tao (8 [E-3]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao
Psyche (8 [E-3]): Random Nurse, pisskop, JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
BBMolla (1): Psyche

Not voting (1): ZZZX

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: JacksonVirgo is V/LA

Something whacky is going on 100%

Wagon analysis gonna be the best

not just that but like the sheer speed of this iteration of the psyche wagon is incredible

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not just that but like the sheer speed of this iteration of the psyche wagon is incredible

Can you even argue that speed matters?
It's a soft-guilty, there is at least one evil team that will milk this regardless of Psyche's alignment so wagon speed is meaningless for Psyche's alignment, just more info for VCA later

more like it kinda happened, then died, hu tao happened, then it like absolutely soared after dying the first time

i don't think it's groundbreaking exactly it's just interesting af

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Hi!

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My motivation to read up is pretty low what's happening?

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STD claimed RB'er (N1 Random Nurse, N2 Hu Tao)

JV claimed vig shot on Hu Tao so we're technically missing a kill

and we're trying to figure out if STD is scum and should be limmed

or if JV is scum who faked their loyal FV result and should be limmed

or if they're both town

or if one is/both are scum but we should let them live for today in case they self resolve

yeah

StD's claim is bland but is he actually scummy? Rb is really powerful in lategame if true

It's kinda hard to guess what happened n2. It would be pretty funny if scum shot Hu Tao. A stray power role might have stopped a kill too I guess?

Is there any reason either of them would self-resolve mechanically?

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I forgot there was a full role blocker already flipped. :')

Multiple roleblockers is usually pretty unpopular but T3 do be T3

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who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

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who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

I have because idk what I am doing lol

in what way have you handled it weirdly

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define 'weirdly'

I'd like TL to do this but like, as someone who has just not been watching the thread at all I'm more interested in how everyone else defines it

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jv how do u feel about that bp claim

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who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

RN + they're a full ungated BP claim who's perspective is and keeps being inconsistent with what it should be both because of the gamestate and also him as a player

nah RN has been handling this gamestate totally normally... it's just that I think RN is scum

why tho

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Like this convo is better than whatever I just tried to read about std & jv's claims so we're goin in the right direction, join hands everyone

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Fair enough

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RN claiming something like that feels more like a personality trait than an alignment indicator

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VOTE: jv sorry friend

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it came out of somewhere it's just that somewhere is my mind which is a mess

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i feel like we'd make good friends TL

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jv how do u feel about that bp claim

I think he's very clearly a wolf, and it also needs to be resolved before Limo. A Town ungated bulletproof is the most far-fetched thing, he claimed immediately after being designated the kill for Psyche. He claims he is informed that maf knows a BP exists but doesn't have the perspective I'd expect from somebody who SAID HE CLAIMED TO GET REACTIONS and nothing has ever come from that. I could go on and on but the one thing that is pinging me that it might just be a scummy Town is that he's like, so focused on like "oh but you got nothing on me" to everybody pushing him, when it's clear that's not true at all and I just feel maybe just super out of touch town? But to me that doesn't override everything else, plus I personally feel they need to leave before Limlo which I think I said but I'm not sure.

given RN's playstyle i don't find this more compelling than reading his alignment via his dayplay (which i tend to agree with CSF on).

i also find it hard to believe that this is the extent of your RN read which leads you to "clearly a wolf"

this feels like a read which you're benefited from having moreso than a read which i actually think has come from a place of deep critical thinking from you which sadly is kind of consistent with what i'd expect scum to kinda have to do in your shoes in this gamestate

i think your reference to being resolvable but requiring a level of faith to be resolvable is likely motivated more towards survival than town benefit, given it was roughly your line yesterday with the vig claim which you openly made

there's clearly some level of gambitiness in the way you've approached your own slot's survival + rn's claim but i'm not super clearly seeing the work in solving RN's alignment

i don't like that i feel this way

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how much did u reconsider the psyche wagon yesterday?

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actually interesting

VOTE: dave

i think i'm making the problem worse; jv i do trust your claim less than i trust rn's, and i doubt i can like satisfactorily argue with you to the extent that i convince you that YOU YOURSELF are scum. i don't have a lot of time rn so will be using my time to explain myself and slay.

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this feels like a read which you're benefited from having moreso than a read which i actually think has come from a place of deep critical thinking from you which sadly is kind of consistent with what i'd expect scum to kinda have to do in your shoes in this gamestate

Ouch, I have been critically thinking

i always feel bad when i write this kind of thing bc it sounds like i'm being critical but i'm genuinely surprised you think RN is a significant threat here if ur town

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is king furtive still obviously town?

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I'm claiming and playing the way I am for a reason but that's for later, or post-game if I end up dead

i can tell.

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is king furtive still obviously town?

furtiveglance is cleared by NKA

withering glare

is king furtive still obvtown by play

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i think i'm making the problem worse; jv i do trust your claim less than i trust rn's, and i doubt i can like satisfactorily argue with you to the extent that i convince you that YOU YOURSELF are scum. i don't have a lot of time rn so will be using my time to explain myself and slay.

You trust a full BP? Why do you not trust my claim, easy words to throw out.

i doubt he's full lol

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I'm claiming and playing the way I am for a reason but that's for later, or post-game if I end up dead

i can tell.

Is this giving me sass lmfaooooo, I read that as such and I love it

i think regardless of your alignment, i'm probably correct to feel like you're up to some shit

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i always feel bad when i write this kind of thing bc it sounds like i'm being critical but i'm genuinely surprised you think RN is a significant threat here if ur town

I do, and even if you disagree with me you're just ruling out different reads meaning I'm not thinking critically?

hmm not exactly. more that i don't find your reason for scumreading RN compelling, and i'm surprised there isn't more behind it.

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i think regardless of your alignment, i'm probably correct to feel like you're up to some shit

It's how I enjoy playing but what I don't like is how Aisa labelled me like that without knowing

like what? i think i've seen 2 aisa posts all game tbh

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hmm not exactly. more that i don't find your reason for scumreading RN compelling, and i'm surprised there isn't more behind it.

There is, I can delve further into it just not on mobile babe

i'd like that, thank you.

i have this tiny bin of people who i'm not interested in even looking twice at and RN is very much not in that bin. but he's not someone who's on my radar either. i'm open to be compelled, i am just not currently compelled.

i liked dragons' d1 but i haven't seen him since

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my thoughts on davesaz is that they are scum based on play (consensus reads and blending in in a scummy way) alone, I don't have any mech that says davesaz is scum or town

i know this might not be exciting, but

you're voting someone in my towncore and if you voted dave then most of my towncore would be pioneering the same wagon and that would make me feel all warm and fuzzy

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Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype

This post in particular

got you. i'm not quick to use the word 'crazy' to describe anyone for a few reasons. i do think you play in a way that's an orderly form of chaotic, as far as information goes, and i wonder if that may be what aisa is putting down?

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my thoughts on davesaz is that they are scum based on play (consensus reads and blending in in a scummy way) alone, I don't have any mech that says davesaz is scum or town

i know this might not be exciting, but

you're voting someone in my towncore and if you voted dave then most of my towncore would be pioneering the same wagon and that would make me feel all warm and fuzzy

explain how CSF is in your towncore with at least negative two words

ʜdt ƨi tƨυį

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Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype

This post in particular

got you. i'm not quick to use the word 'crazy' to describe anyone for a few reasons. i do think you play in a way that's an orderly form of chaotic, as far as information goes, and i wonder if that may be what aisa is putting down?

I actually want to retract my counter-argument cuz like I just realised I am definitely one to try a gambit like not using that Gunsmith, but oh well. Come back to this if I flip before I full-claim, thanks

that's why i said i think i'm making the problem worse. you're very self-aware, and these conversations do have a natural tendency to gravitate towards a point of "why would i do x instead of y" where the answer is strictly "so that you can make this argument good NIGHT"

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flash-forward, start of day four, RN claims receiving fruit as a joke, cruises to victory

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the six minutes i've thinking about this game all week have told me that this pool of players is optimal to vote in-

davesaz
bob3141
Enchant
shaddowez

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flash-forward, start of day four, RN claims receiving fruit as a joke, cruises to victory

Shut ye gob cobber

it's actually nearly happened before!! unfortunately i killed the same player (last member of faction) that night as sk

gg though! I was going to lolclaim fruit today and would've been sort of locktown for a bit RIP

Frankly, I think that would have been a game-winning move for you, and worth a Scummy nomination. Particularly if you followed it up with killing tw the following night. Pity tw thought you were Town, and therefore safe to kill.

I said so in the dead thread, I'll say so here: I think all three factions played a good game, and some very solid performances got defeated by others' competence.

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the six minutes i've thinking about this game all week have told me that this pool of players is optimal to vote in-

davesaz
bob3141
Enchant
shaddowez

Hey, where's STD in that list?

he's not in that list, why do you scumread him?

i could ask why RN is not in that list

he's not in that list, why do you scumread him?