Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[Dannflor]

VC 3.1

Gerudo Valley

StraightFlush [1]:

KayJayQueue

Not Voting [4]:

zachheus, StraightFlush, humaneatingmonkey, JacksonVirgo

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2024-04-26 11:24:14).

Mod Notes:

[KayJayQueue]

it's a coin flip for me, really. i want to determine who gets the most value out of a {KJQ, StraightFlush, HEM} pool, but it really isn't that obvious.

I’d never win in a final 3 with you and flush, no matter my alignment, because I’m absolutely dying in that situation. I find it funny you gave the scenario where *I* lose us the game by voting you. When in reality, I think whoever is in the final day with you and me would know voting me is their best option to win. So yes, we’d lose as town but that burden wouldn’t be on my shoulders.

Jack literally cleared you.m (now that I know he wasn’t roleblocked lol) You’re not even an option unless he was lying about who he tracked. So why are you so worried about getting down to 3? Unless you know Jack is bluffing/lying, you’d have no reason to think you’re in danger on the final day.

It's not about him being an option, he's wondering who would benefit from a { Kay, Flush, HEM } pool as that's the world the wolf killed purple to be in essentially.

In his first post of day 3, he clearly stated he thought we’d lose because I’d vote him. He backed off when you said you tracked me but once you told the truth, why would I assume he wouldn’t go back to his previous opinion on what a final day would be? The 3 of me, flush, hem is a death sentence for town.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was not letting the chance of scum!kay getting a free win cuz of that

So why track HEM over me if you were already sold on him as town and scum being on the wagon/bus vote? If you’re going to track outside of Zach, why not me or flush since your PoE already eliminated HEM?

It was a consensus check. I am confident in my ability to solve you, HEM keeps coming back up in your head so I wanted to clear that world so we can work on narrowing down the scum in the rest of the game.

But both HEM and Flush wanted to vote me at multiple stages throughout the game, why not clear me instead? Did you see that I came to a reasonable understanding and stopped looking at HEM once I was given enough reason to look elsewhere? You didn’t even have a clear on him at that point, so it’s not like I was forced to listen to you or others. Yes, YOU can solve me but there’s no way you can tell me you thought HEM and flush would just take your word for it….did you?

Didn't think I needed to. If I was alive, I was a protective voice against your push. I value your input, I want us to be on the same page more than everyone else being on the same page about you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was also checking the world where you were right on HEM and I was off-base like with Snivy

[JacksonVirgo]

Realistically, if I put more thought into it I would have tracked Flush here. I genuinely thought I would be dead

[KayJayQueue]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hey so, you guys wanna skip ahead and do StraightFlush right now?

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey so, you guys wanna skip ahead and do StraightFlush right now?

Inherently, I do but I don't want to rush things.

[KayJayQueue]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

If you tracked the rolecop and they checked one person and killed another, what result would you be given?

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

If you tracked the rolecop and they checked one person and killed another, what result would you be given?

I'd see them visit both

[KayJayQueue]

Hey so, you guys wanna skip ahead and do StraightFlush right now?

I want to be absolutely sure you and I are on the same page if it happens to be a scum!Zach world and flush flips town. Let me go reread some stuff and see if I can present anything that can help us before Jack gets killed at night.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jack gets killed at night.

It's been a pleasure playing with you one extra day <3

[KayJayQueue]

Can someone explain exactly how a role cop works? Can you check someone and kill in the same night?

Role cop checks a player to see their role. So they'd see I was a Tracker, or that Purple was a Friendly Neighbour, or Flush was a Rolecop (lol).
They can multitask yeah.

If you tracked the rolecop and they checked one person and killed another, what result would you be given?

I'd see them visit both

Hmm. Okay, I can toss the theory I just had in the trash lol

Time to find a new one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay, but would you make an effort with me to fix our rapport? our rapport is terrible because you seem to dislike me a lot.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM, I hope you know I'm not against flipping Kay today if I feel it's beneficial. I don't want to kill your motivation because of me acting as a brick wall, I just do confidently town-read them so it'd need more than most things.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I would like to know, yes

I told you, she got stuff!

I know she got stuff

Did you know she’s stuffin deez nuts in yo face?

bruh

[StraightFlush]

I would like to know, yes

I told you, she got stuff!

I know she got stuff

Did you know she’s stuffin deez nuts in yo face?

bruh

I am not the same man now as I was on D1, I promise these cringe moments are behind me and uhhhhh

nvm I'm totally gonna try pulling that in another game

[KayJayQueue]

okay, but would you make an effort with me to fix our rapport? our rapport is terrible because you seem to dislike me a lot.

I don’t dislike you but I didn’t like your approach to the game as it is specifically a newbie game. I did believe there were times you were being condescending toward the new players and as well as being clique-y with vets to form a “we-know-better-than-you” position to look down on those of us less experienced or inexperienced. Even trivial things like saying we post too much - many of us are still finding our footing in these games and it felt very dismissive to just crap on how we played. Especially because yes, we were very talkative day 1, but in the end…we did catch scum. And the wagon that killed scum? All newbies. We can’t all be bad yet 3/4 of that wagon got no credit for putting us in the best position to win. And from my POV, I know I’m town and I knew I was doing the right thing during day phase 1 and all the pushback I got was peppered with “I know more than you and you’re wrong” so yes, I was extremely frustrated trying to work around that and you didn’t seem to want to consider my perspective at all. And then when it turns out, I was right, I just get a double down on why I must’ve just been bussing instead of just correct with my read. And now, day 3 starts and immediately I’m faced with “vote out Kay, she’s probably town but she’s going to make the wrong decision because that’s what I believe is true”.

To me, that’s against the nature of a newbie game. To basically just dictate to new players what’s going to happen and why instead of actually trying to play with them - why did you rep into a newbie game if you wanted to play the way you like, which doesn’t seem very newbie-friendly?

So now that I’ve expressed my perspective, I’m happy to hear yours. I just hope you’ll stop discounting me as someone you think is tunneling you because of personal reasons. I’ve never even put a vote on you! (Not that I can recall)

[JacksonVirgo]

This VC feels important

Spoiler:

VC 1.9

Blame Brett

StraightFlush [3]:

Ydrasse, skitter30, DragonEater70

DragonEater70 [2]:

StraightFlush, ketchup777

skitter30 [2]:

KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

zachheus

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

[JacksonVirgo]

I want to put StraightFlush to E-1 for picking up a soft claim on mason and then deciding to escalate it to public awareness without any prompt. That feels like a kiting technique to fish out actual masons. And it's my first actual read of the game because everything else before that post was straight-up junk.

Based

[JacksonVirgo]

jacksonvirgo feels a little off to me tho

ditto. i assume he should be feeling uncomfortable about extending rvs as an experienced town player. so that makes me feel a bit hmm. meanwhile, there's more value to extending rvs as scum because you get to endear yourself to people without being alignment indicative.

Unbased

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ketchup

For this once I think I’m right on this

As usual, I was not right on this

[StraightFlush]

I want to put StraightFlush to E-1 for picking up a soft claim on mason and then deciding to escalate it to public awareness without any prompt. That feels like a kiting technique to fish out actual masons. And it's my first actual read of the game because everything else before that post was straight-up junk.

Based

We are in a rolecop setup, as has been well established with purple's flip. There are no masons in a rolecop setup, so for scum!me this would just be pure retard energy that draws unnecessary attention.

Pedit: The duality of man

[humaneatingmonkey]

I hope you know that every time you say that I have been condescending, cliquish, and dismissive - you are making a personal evaluation on who I am as a person. You are making a bad-faith interpretation of how I play. I think I have discussed my positions on thread health only on how it impacts gamesolve, so from my point of view, inherently game-relevant. I also believe that controlling the volume of post helped out in focusing our discussion.