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Why do you consider this a gamble?In post 73, Aventurine wrote: Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.-
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I'm pressing the e key (pickup key in MapleStory)In post 25, Aventurine wrote: I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.
god I hope that's wrong because if I actually remember the pickup key from that game still-
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I'm reading this whole post in the voice of Mercy OverwatchIn post 46, implosion wrote:
This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEAL: s are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.In post 40, Aventurine wrote: And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on theexactsame coalition.-
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Every setup is more fun and has healthier day play if you just ignore mech as much as possible and solve alignments and do the mech stuff last minuteIn post 72, Aventurine wrote:
Yikes, I’ll see myself out. IIn post 46, implosion wrote:
This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEALs are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.In post 40, Aventurine wrote: And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on theexactsame coalition.alsomisunderstood the setup, since I didn’t really read it in detail; I assumed we were making coalitions first and then voting on several different coalitions. I guess they’re similar, through.-
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I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition-
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Does this mean the moon logic was scummy but the about-face is towny? I would think it's neutral and townyIn post 67, Umlaut wrote: Actually
HEAL: Tsawwassen
It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.-
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I don’t. It’s just that the character thus account is themed after has a gambling addiction so I want to make as make as many references to gambling as possibleIn post 76, implosion wrote:
Why do you consider this a gamble?In post 73, Aventurine wrote: Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.-
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hello! did you wait for me? I'm going to reread the whole thread 4 more times to come up with points with my gut, intuition, experience or whatever i have, like you guys. No, a three more times if necessary. It's not easy, is it? 7 townies, 2 mafia goons and an 11 days long coalition phase. I wonder why 11 days. Does it take that long normally to come up with an agreement?-
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mafiascum is pretty dramatically slow paced a lot of the time, yeah. Depends a lot on the game, the players, etc, but there are definitely plenty of games that use all their time. Also lots of games that peter out and then people drag their feet, so it's good to be vigilant that things are actually still happening. That said, the coalition phase in this setup is very high pressure since a significant amount of the time town wins this setup, it'll be in the coalition phase, and it only ends when 5 people agree on an exact coalition. So it usually lasts most to all of the deadline.-
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Why is this pertinent? I wouldn't describe you as hyperposting in this game. Just that you think Black-town should have some latent skepticism that you're capable of carrying a game as scum? If so, do you think Black-scum would be less likely to express that skepticism?In post 81, May wrote: I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition-
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In post 66, Umlaut wrote: Meh, mech talk. I nommed myself because I'm town and I want to nom people who are town.
Weird. (Looks like you backed out of this quickly though)In post 26, Tsawwassen wrote: I won't nominate people who nominate themselves
Okay, Bertrand.In post 28, Moros wrote: i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themselfIn post 67, Umlaut wrote: Actually
HEAL: Tsawwassen
It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.
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HEAL: Cutter BCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst-
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Eagerly awaiting your input!In post 85, Cutter B wrote: hello! did you wait for me? I'm going to reread the whole thread 4 more times to come up with points with my gut, intuition, experience or whatever i have, like you guys. No, a three more times if necessary. It's not easy, is it? 7 townies, 2 mafia goons and an 11 days long coalition phase. I wonder why 11 days. Does it take that long normally to come up with an agreement?
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I'm not hyperposting this game yet but the game has been open 8 hours. I say yet but I am pretty sure I will not hyperpost this game. But yet as in, she could still expect I might.In post 87, implosion wrote:
Why is this pertinent? I wouldn't describe you as hyperposting in this game. Just that you think Black-town should have some latent skepticism that you're capable of carrying a game as scum? If so, do you think Black-scum would be less likely to express that skepticism?In post 81, May wrote: I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition
I meant skepticism that I should be townbinned so I think maybe you have points backwards.
If she's scum I think it's probably in her range to emulate but would accomplish less of her goals because you can probably let one or two loud obvtowns develop comfortably in this setup-
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I initially read the third post as unrelated pure curiosity but as a related followup it does make a c-c-combo multipost tellIn post 88, implosion wrote:In post 66, Umlaut wrote: Meh, mech talk. I nommed myself because I'm town and I want to nom people who are town.
Weird. (Looks like you backed out of this quickly though)In post 26, Tsawwassen wrote: I won't nominate people who nominate themselves
Okay, Bertrand.In post 28, Moros wrote: i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themselfIn post 67, Umlaut wrote: Actually
HEAL: Tsawwassen
It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.
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I think there's a good ‘probability’ that we will find one scum in each group, if we divide us players into grups of least and most posts. So I'm also deciding to pick two players from both groups to add into my coalition.
Or, how about I sort out players who show high potential, so even if the coalition fails, I think they will do a good job figuring out the scum, since making them suspect means putting them under pressure. Well, that means I probably wouldn’t be in that coalition but, isn’t town’s win more important?-
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Why do you think I'm scum?In post 74, Moros wrote: from an objective perspective, i think there is a 72% chance that there's scum in the band. from a subjective perspective, i think it's Black.-
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No, I'm calling my own reasoning moon logic (meaning I don't necessarily expect it to be a convincing reason for a tr to anyone else)In post 82, May wrote:
Does this mean the moon logic was scummy but the about-face is towny? I would think it's neutral and townyIn post 67, Umlaut wrote: Actually
HEAL: Tsawwassen
It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I like the effort implo is making in reading my posts.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Are you insulting me, rookie? Calling people pros n shizIn post 95, Cutter B wrote: Scum-reading, town-reading. This must be how pros play.
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