Mini 669: Mod Abandoned

[Pesco47]

Hi everyone, I'm replacing ... somebody in this game. Mod didn't tell me who though.

I've done a quick skim over Day 1 and read up Day 2 a little more closely.

Jon seems like a real deal floundering newb IMO. Day 1 was forgivable, but by Day 2 and several weeks of game time, I'd expect a player to have gotten better. The last few posts have been rather

FoS

worthy.

Reborn's play this has just been strawmans, circular logics and out of context representations. I am really shocked to see you guys let this slide on Day 1.

On the note of why Reborn wasn't lynched, I'd like to hear from Panzer since he derailed the whole thing onto an inactive.

My vote will be pending on Reborn and Panzer.

[Pesco47]

If I'm replacing the person who needed replacing first, I'd be replacing Tinsley.

My my, did I not even tell you who you were replacing? Dearo me

[Pesco47]

Kindly start answering the questions directed at yourself, Panzer. They've been ignored for far longer than necessary.

[Pesco47]

Lol modCream. Take it easy.

[Pesco47]

I wasn't asking about those things, but someone else will take your answer anyway.

I'm concerned with why you thought derailing Reborn's wagon yesterday was better than lynching him.

[Pesco47]

So in that case.

Jon seems like a real deal floundering newb IMO. Day 1 was forgivable, but by Day 2 and several weeks of game time, I'd expect a player to have gotten better. The last few posts have been rather FoSworthy.

Wait, what? You're playing the newb card, but only saying it works for so long...? Something about this doesn't compute.

His newbie points have all been spent on Day 1. As if I'm going to believe someone that says they can't improve as they play.

[Pesco47]

EBWOP

I didn't derail it and i didn't say it was bad. I replaced after his wagon was over

Bad misread on my part, apologies.

Votecount
JonMW (2): reborn537, fyzxs,
Vi (0):
populartajo (1): Panzerjager,
reborn537 (4): Vi, Moriarty147, Moospiker, Huntress,
Moriarty147 (0):
fyzxs (0):
Pesco47 (0):
Jenethron (0):
Moospiker (0):
Huntress (0):
Panzerjager (0):

Not Voting: JonMW, populartajo, Pesco47, Jenethron,

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch

Out of complete interest, and I've been meaning to ask you all game, but Moriarty, where did you get the '147' in your name from. What inspired you to pick such a great number to end your name?

[Pesco47]

##Vote: reborn537

I hate you.

Reborn's stuff is taking a massive reaction, clearly.

Explain please.

[Pesco47]

Pesco and tajo, is there anyone who warrants a vote as of right now?

@pesco and populartajo: Any opinions, seriously?

How did we get joined up like this? The common 'p' is of no significance.

I think Reborn's just muddying the waters for us.

##Vote Reborn

, let's see if L-1 can bring us some decent discussion.

I'll agree with Moriarty that Jon shouldn't be afraid of doing something that he's in support of. If you tell us that you're going to vote someone, do it so that we know you mean it. (Not applicable anymore now since I've put Reborn at L-1)

[Pesco47]

Let's make this easy. Do you think Reborn deserves to be lynched and why? How strongly do you believe in your reasons?

[Pesco47]

Not to be taken the wrong way, but there's nothing stopping you from self-hammering. You want us to lynch you anyway, so why not?

[Pesco47]

So you're lynching me so that I don't scum-hunt around you?

I fail to see you doing any scumhunting even if you weren't lynched.

Not to be taken the wrong way, but there's nothing stopping you from self-hammering. You want us to lynch you anyway, so why not?

I'm obviously not going to self-hammer. That would end the day's discussion prematurely.

That's a generic response, not worth anything. You were asking to be lynched, so why else are you hesitating from doing yourself in?

[Pesco47]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the way ModCream has been handling this game, I assume it's his first time modding. If that's the case, Jester is a very unlikely role.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! HISSSSSS!

[Pesco47]

It's Wednesday already

[Pesco47]

Oh, I was completely full of shit and I'm waiting for time to do I read, specifically of Tajo. He only is active when called upon, but that could be like me, he has other shit to do.

So right indeed. Being full of shit is worth a

Vote Panzer

. What exactly were you hoping to get out of voting Poptajo? We had an abnormally long twighlight and you still didn't have time to make a decent case? Lazy scum yes?

[Pesco47]

Assumption tags here pls.

At least 2 scum in the game. Jon's tracking has been RB'd by scum who can't RB and NK by himself.

Jenethron would be plausable as scum, fyzxs is also possible to a lesser extent.

Since it's all assumption, I'm not putting too much weight behind this one.

Everyone else: If I was guaranteed a successful track, who would you have preferred I use it on? Please give reasoning for your answer. (2 marks)

As a pro-town tracker, you'd have to track people you expect to be the NK target. In a normal game like this, if your tracked person is targeted once and lives, you've found a doc or cop. If targeted and dies, one of the people that acted is scum.

[Pesco47]

The wiki is ambiguous.

Rewording for tracker: Target who you think is scum. A positive result on a dead player is definite scum, if the guy lives, it's doc or cop.

[Pesco47]

IDK, I think Pesco is on to something and I kinda of think a Policy Lynch is in order anyway....

What were you referring to? Lynching the inactives isn't going to give us any flip-connections.

[Pesco47]

That means that the mere lack of a player is no reason to rob the character of their night action - the character has an obligation, a duty to their faction, be it townie or scum. That means that in the event of a power-role character needing a replacement before nightfall, either a replacement must be found before night comes, or some "default" action is chosen in their absence. I wondered if ModCream had chosen the former, and we needed a replacement before night came.
But there's a flaw! Vanilla townies (and some other roles) have no night action, and hence do not require a replacement before night can begin. Therefore, in the event of a replacement conflicting with twilight, if the night continues unimpeded then obviously the playerless character has no night powers.
The flaw, clearly, is that you can't allow players information through this metagaming method.
So you have to delay night for *all* characters requiring a replacement, because there is a possibility that they might posess a night action. Then no extra information can be gleaned through metagame methods, and the night actions continue as expected.

We're still waiting on one more replacement, so obviously fxszyc (or whatever the jumble of letters were) can not be a power role or someone with a night action? Too naive. ModCream has a duty to keep the game going regardless of what goes down with the players. In doing so, he gives nothing away that would outright benefit either faction.

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scum intentionally choosing No Kill is only worth calling a strategy (as opposed to a Bad Idea) in very specific situations, and this isn't any of them. There's nearly always someone scum can kill for their benefit.

This is one of those very specific situations. In relation to what's going on here, I'd like to think someone is doing a great job.

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Jon's posts have a 'genuine' feel to them. I trust his claim. I wouldn't exactly call his last post pro-town, but it's definitely not anti-town. He's showing some improvement from the first 2 day's play.

[Pesco47]

Pesco, no comments of tubby?

Jumping an easy wagon. Scummy read for that, but I only have one vote and it's keeping its seat warm on Panzer.

[Pesco47]

Vi, tubby or Panzer?

???

[Pesco47]

I wouldn't be ashamed of a tubby lynch. He came in with very weird analysis and went after one of the most protown players in the game with bad reasons then jumped on a claimed tracker. I'm getting a pretty scummy read on him.

Laundering. Possible scum pair with tubby.

[Pesco47]

You say you're fine with a tubby lynch, yet no vote to back up your intention. You say he's reading scummy to you, but not enough for you to put pressure.

This equates to straddling the fence, ready to jump onto the bus when things are looking bad.

And very basic numbers: 3 scum out of 8 players make it LyLo. It doesn't matter what day it is or how many alive, we lynch scum.

[Pesco47]

Do you mean your alignment detection range only goes from neutral to scum?

Who do you favour as 'neutral' in your litmus test?

[Pesco47]

There's 5 on Not Voting, 6 required for a lynch. So if we lynch Not Voting, then maybe activity will pick up.

[Pesco47]

There's 5 on Not Voting, 6 required for a lynch. So if we lynch Not Voting, then maybe activity will pick up.

How is this different than Panzer's idea to lynch lurkers?

Sarcasm tags were missing

[Pesco47]

General piss-into-the-wind question: If you were not allowed to 'Not Vote', who would you be voting right now? Kindly reply by making the said vote.

[Pesco47]

^what?? are you askin to us to vote who we think is the most town?

Comprehension fail...

If you were not allowed to 'Not Vote'

if you had to be voting someone at all the time

, who would you be voting right now

do you usually vote someone you think is most town?

? Kindly reply by making the said vote

so stop sitting on the side and show some motivation for action

.

Sorry if that was a little bad tempered, stuff happened in another game.

[Pesco47]

Badly phrased in my quote, some clarity: Under what normal circumstances does ANYONE vote the person they think is most town?

The meaning of my original post: Your vote has to sit on someone, who are you going to vote for and go do it.

[Pesco47]

* My activity policy is as follows. Anyone who anticipates being away for over 48 hours should report in the thread or by PM to me. A simple notice in your signature is not good enough. Anyone who doesn't post for 72 hours will get prodded. They will have a further 48 hours to respond to that prod. Once that time is up, I will start searching for a replacement. If you notice someone who hasn't posted for 72 hours who I haven't prodded (all prods will be noted in the thread) please tell me.

Prod-the-mod. And prod many other people.

Votecount
JonMW (1): tubby216,
Vi (0):
populartajo (0):
Moriarty147 (0):
hp [leaves] (0):
Pesco47 (0):
tubby216 (2): populartajo, Panzerjager,
Moospiker (0):
Huntress (0):
Panzerjager (2): Vi, Pesco47,

Not Voting: JonMW, Moriarty147, hp [leaves], Moospiker, Huntress,

[Pesco47]

The joke was that we lynch the 'Not Voting' option so that we can't be 'Not Voting' in future.

Tubby made the more-on-everyone-else post in 713.

Since it's just some dialogue for now, let's talk hypothetical play. Two good lynch targets, not in LyLo. You want to lynch the more certain or less certain scum first? Yes, it's exactly what we have here.

[Pesco47]

To be technical about tubby's stance, his change in voting is at worst a bus attempt (if they're buddies). He hasn't dropped his scum read on you yet, that FoS remember?

[Pesco47]

Sorry, but I don't see that kind of voting as valid scumhunting on day 3.

Votecount
JonMW (0):
Vi (0):
populartajo (0):
Moriarty147 (0):
hp [leaves] (0):
Pesco47 (0):
tubby216 (2): populartajo, Panzerjager,
Moospiker (0):
Huntress (0):
Panzerjager (5): JonMW, Vi, Moriarty147, Pesco47, tubby216,

Not Voting: hp [leaves], Moospiker, Huntress,

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch

[Pesco47]

It is done and should be, especially when there is some speculation as to why the no kills are happening.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Causation

Moar craplogic.

@mod: I second the deadline

[Pesco47]

If Mo-town, he lurks lots and posts a bit.
If Mo-scum, he lurks lots and posts slightly more.
But, different site, so different meta really.

[Pesco47]

Your meta and mine here are clearly different from the meta we have that side. I expect Mo to try play differently here too.

[Pesco47]

So Mo can't call you a moron and you can call others that? Riight,

You're going to need some stronger motivations to get the votes moved. Everyone that has voted has already taken what's before us into consideration, show us something more.

[Pesco47]

I totally agree with Pesco.

Vote Panzerjager

That makes it L-1

What exactly are you agreeing with?

FoS HP

[Pesco47]

You're doing pretty much the same.

[Pesco47]

You're doing pretty much the same.