Designer Mafia II: Game Over!

[TBuG]

I'd vote Mgm, but that would be the deciding vote. However, apparently NOBODY cares, so

Deciding Vote: Mgm

[the silent speaker]

All I wanted was to post "You'll never take me alive! *

opens fire

*" before dying, but

nooo

, you had to lynch me over the holiday. You all suck.

[Mgm]

No it's not. According to my count it's 3 votes on me with 4 to lynch.

First you find me suspicious, then everyone unvotes, and suddenly everyone changes back. Why the sudden change of heart?

It wouldn't make sense for me to be scum.
BlueSin claimed a doc role and sooner or later he'd die anyway.
Why would I let my own life depend on something like that if
I wasn't sure of my results?

Also, I find it quite likely there's only one mafia left (from the brown mafia).
It wouldn't make sense for me one of them. I wanted BlueSin dead, and I only backed of because I couldn't get a bandwagon on him formed.

With PBug cleared by Gurgi and everyone else claimed, I find Fuldu's unwillingness to claim most suspicious. Once again, if someone doesn't claim it's easier to come across pro-town.

Therefore:

Vote: Fuldu

Nevertheless, I'd like to hear more from KE about TSS targetting him.

[Mgm]

Should've read: It wouldn't make sense for me

to be

one of them.

[Fuldu]

I've hinted at aspects of my role and three separate players have separately confirmed the various claims I've made. Admittedly, one of those players was scum, one was neutral, and the third also hasn't claimed. However, I think it remains in the best interest of the town not to have me claim.

As for Mgm, his most recent post has some errors. First, as mentioned above, Norinel hasn't claimed either. He has suggested things that his role is able to do, and circumstances have supported that. I've done the same.

Second, pushing for fellow scum's death and backing off when you can't get a bandwagon started is actually quite common behavior.

Third, claims don't really help a great deal in this game. Pretty much any of the claims we've heard from the living could also be roles applied to scum. You could be scum with an investigative power, Norinel could be scum with a time-stopping power, and if I tell you my role, I could just as easily be scum with that role.

[Mgm]

Didn't Norinel claim scientist with an extra lynch ability?
His day stopping ability seems to indicate he was building some time travelling machine. So I'd guess he's a physicist. Looks like he claimed to me...

Second, pushing for fellow scum's death and backing off when you can't get a bandwagon started is actually quite common behavior.

Sure it is. But is it common for scum to try and get someone lynched
if that would prove your own claim wrong?

You might've hinted at parts of your role, but I can't remember much that would point to that direction. Guess I'll have to do a reread on that. Anyway. Everyone, apart from PBug, who was cleared by Gurgi has claimed (not hinted at a claim) and given a role name.

What facts do we really have on you? All we have is your hints.
The mere fact we have no solid facts about you makes you scummy IMO.

[Mgm]

With 6 alive, it looks like the mod made a mistake in the count. I'm lynched after all, unless someone had a special power that added 1 vote to the lynch.

I've done everything I could to defend myself so
have fun losing the game without me.

[PeaceBringer]

hey Mgm-- I had unvoted--

so the vote count on you is 3--

4 would still be need to lynch since 3 is not a majority.

Vote Fuldu

[Fuldu]

I soldier on in my preference not to claim. If there's a third person who intends to vote me for this attitude, say so and I'll claim, but I maintain that it is better for the town if I don't do so.

[TBuG]

Everyone, apart from PBug, who was cleared by Gurgi has claimed (not hinted at a claim) and given a role name.

I claimed, Mirror Man.

[PeaceBringer]

PBUg-- sorry don't see the claim-

what exactly is mirror man?

[Fuldu]

PBuG, you didn't claim, you just offered to, but I would definitely like to hear this claim, and please include (if appropriate) anyone you targeted across the various nights.

[PeaceBringer]

so the game has ground to a complete halt now--

what is PBug claiming?

anyone have anything to say-

sometimes the dead stalls of games drives me batty

[Fuldu]

PBuG is claiming Mirror Man, which he hasn't yet described, but I find it an incredibly curious claim, given that it's my role name. I actually don't think it's impossible that there are two of us, because it might explain some oddities. Which is why I was waiting for him to complete his claim before I disputed it. But, since he's taking a long time, I'll go first, and he can follow up.

Mirror Man basically selects a target every night and any night actions directed at him on that night are deflected to his target. Under certain circumstances, it would appear that things can get through. Lord Gurgi's targeting of me, for example, bypassed my defenses and got to me. My investigations, however, come back at me, and reflect onto my mirror (not investigative) target.

The reason I've been hesitant to admit this is that I can win for town in a 1-1 endgame scenario, provided the remaining scum doesn't have an ability that can be used to circumvent my skill

and

still attempt his kill on the same night. Since this makes me a strong candidate for a day-kill, I didn't want to fess up to it. Now that I've claimed the role, I think PBuG should follow up with any differences in his role and a list of his targets.

My other suggestion is that if PBuG says that his role is the same, and you don't believe one or the other of us, we should search for scum in the remaining players and leave the two of us for last. Whichever of us is the real Mirror Man will likely win the final endgame.

[PeaceBringer]

so if Fuldu is telling the truth and PBug has same role then

the scum is in Mgm, norinel, and KE-

this would lead me back again to Mgm.

Vote Mgmso if Fuldu is telling the truth and PBug has same role then

the scum is in Mgm, norinel, and KE-

this would lead me back again to Mgm.

Vote Mgm

[Mgm]

I doubt there's two mirror men in the game and with PBug cleared by Gurgi. I don't see how Fuldu could be telling the truth. Also, unless the red mafia has four members, I doubt there's godfathers around. (That would mean 8 mafia in the game.) In other words, I doubt PBug is lying.

Confirm vote: Fuldu

[Fuldu]

PBuG was cleared by my investigation of him, which went to Gurgi and tss (who, as a member of the eliminated team, would have no incentive to lie for my benefit). Norinel can also vouch that my investigation of tss bounced to him. Everything that I have said I have done is consistent with my claim. I would point out that we should wait for PBuG to say whether his role is the same as the one I have posted. Do you think I have both the power to bounce my investigations to other players and to find out the details of individual's roles, Mgm? None of the other scum have had a mix of skills like that.

I'm not saying PBuG is lying, either, though I'm not completely convinced, but I think lynching me before PBuG has weighed in on the topic is overzealous.

[Fuldu]

Oh, also, PB, you may want to unvote before voting for someone else. Some mods are more particular about that than others.

[Mgm]

You have two abilities because you were recruited by Gurgi. Not because you started out with them. Just because you have two abilities at the moment, it doesn't clear you of being scum.

Anyway, to clarify are you saying you investigated TSS and when you result came back it didn't bounce to TSS (like attacks and other actions aimed at you), but to some other player?

[Fuldu]

The investigation is a new ability, but the fact that I don't get those results isn't consistent with the way that it is supposed to work. I can investigate someone separately of targeting someone with my natural ability. So, last night I chose to investigate tss and target Norinel. If I were a plain townie, my understanding is that I would have gotten the investigative result on tss myself (along with Gurgi). That doesn't happen. Instead, my investigative result bounces to the player I targeted, in this case Norinel. Similarly with my investigation of PBuG (Gaspode at the time) bouncing to tss.

Also, the two abilities I'm talking about aren't the investigation and the mirroring. I was talking about the two supposed scum abilities I would have to have to have made this claim falsely; a) the ability to bounce my investigative results to other people (hardly a useful skill, especially as the one we've tested is known to have been true), and b) (assuming PBuG claims a role similar to mine) the ability to know the details of somebody else's role.

[PeaceBringer]

sigh- unvote Fuldo vote Mgm

[Mgm]

Two people just claimed a role with the same role name and you still wanna kill me without hearing more about it? Would you mind explaining that, PB?

[PeaceBringer]

Mgm-- 2 things---

first it is only one vote-- hardly a killing vote

2nd If PBug and Fuldu are telling the truth then you move back to #1 suspect.

Simple enough?

FOS are all well and good and you all probably take that serious but for me the most powerful to make a statement is a vote.

[Mgm]

I was under the impression I was 1 away from a lynch.
That's what happens when we have to do without vote counts.
Could someone do a count?

[TBuG]

Yeah, my role says the same thing. I don't think I've targeted anybody, unless our loving mod decided not to tell me.

I thought I had fully claimed, sorry...

Hmm... Call me crazy, but If they'res one scum left and we're both Mirror Men, then We will win. All that we need to do is target eachother very single night from now on. That way, we may also find out if the other is lying. I'm guessing that if we both mirror each other, than the night targeting will be useless against us.

It actually makes sense to have two mirror men, because if you look in the mirror, there's you AND the reflection of you...