Newbie 1855: Frozen Cheesecake (Game Over)

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Newbie 1855: Frozen Cheesecake (Game Over)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:04 am

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"All right, spill it.
Who in the name of GOD ate my frozen cheesecakes?"


Game Status:
Game Over
Deadline:
--

Player List

Saudade,
Mafia Roleblocker
, survived and won.
The Vortigaunt,
Vanilla Townie
, was lynched
Day 4
.
pinturicchio,
Town Jailkeeper
, was killed
Night 3
.
Querty,
Vanilla Townie
, was endgamed.
UglyDuck,
Vanilla Townie
, was lynched
Day 1
.
Eddie Cane
Cedrick thenavneet Mf1123
,
Town Doctor
, was killed
Night 2
.
Kiana Kaslana
LicketyQuickety UC Voyager
(SE),
Vanilla Townie
, was lynched
Day 3
.
HeWhoSwims
Raya36
(SE),
Mafia Goon
, was lynched
Day 2
.
Flavor Leaf (IC),
Vanilla Townie
, was endgamed.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:06 am

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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:15 am

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Setup Specifics


Newbie Setup
Newbie Setup

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Cop and Town Neapolitan
Town Cop and Town Tracker
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor
Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor
Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by
one mafia goons
and
five vanilla townies
appropriately, to create a
2-mafia
and
7-town
setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.
Mafia Roleblocker
action takes precedence over a
Town Jailkeeper
action should that apply.

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.


Spoiler: Sample Role PM
Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a
Town Jailkeeper
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a
Town Cop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Town
or
Mafia
. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town NeapolitanWelcome!

You are a
Town Neapolitan
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Vanilla Townie
or
Not Vanilla Townie
. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a
Town Tracker
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a
Town Doctor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Goon
.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Rolecop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.
Vanilla Townies
and
Mafia Goons
will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Roleblocker
.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:58 am

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The game will open up shortly! Sit tight.

Meanwhile, you can bookmark this thread by scrolling to the bottom of the page and click "Bookmark topic."
It will help finding this thread easier every time.
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WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:45 am

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thenavneet replaces Mf1123, who didn't pick up his role PM. The game will start when thenavneet confirms!
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WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:43 am

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With all players confirmed, Day 1 begin!


VC 1.00
Not Voting:
Saudade, The Vortigaunt, pinturicchio, Querty, UglyDuck, thenavneet, UC Voyager, Raya36, Flavor Leaf


With
9
alive,
5
to vote


Deadline:
(expired on 2018-03-12 16:45:32)
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WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:45 am

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Let's do this.
VOTE: GuyInFreezer
The only one guilty here is you for leaving those cheesecakes without supervision, you monster
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:15 am

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Hello friends.

I don’t understand how RVS is supposed to help anything, but I will abide.
VOTE: pin
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:21 am

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Saudade rings a bell. I don't like bells

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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:27 pm

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Hey everyone - first game on forum, so apologizing in advance if i do something wrong.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:12 pm

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Voting UCV, my fellow SE

VOTE: UCV
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:24 pm

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I have two honest questions and I figure I might as well ask this in a newbie game. Firstly why is no-lynch on day one bad? I am given to understand that most day one lynches do not catch scum so wouldn't a no lynch on day one statistically make it so that one more town survives since the only town getting eliminated would be scum nk?
And the other thing, what prevents a mass claim day one? If everyone claims day one, scum have to either fake claim or die but their very claims can be mathematically used against them since the PRs and VT numbers are known in this setup. That means that best fake claim they can make is VT and already town's odds of even randomly lynching scum goes from 2/9 to 2/7. Add to this that suspicion is around them I am willing to bet that it becomes harder for them to come up with lies and misdirection because focus is already semi focused in their vicinity from the start?

That being said I am willing to continue with rvs for now but just wanted to share my thoughts.
VOTE: UglyDuck
Many who live deserve death, some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:14 am

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The reason we generally don't no lynch on day one is because even though we are statistically most likely to hit town the information we gather from the flip, who pushed who, the wagon, and the discussions that got us to the lynch are valuable enough that it is worth losing a townie for. If we no lynch we are basically allowing scum to have a free kill and we lose a lot of the information that we would have otherwise been going into day two with.

I have much less experience with massclaims but I believe the reason we don't often do them day one is because scum will immediately target the power roles which will put town at an early disadvantage but Leaf might be able to do a better job explaining this one.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:37 am

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Lynching means you have a chance at killing mafia
No lynching means you have no chance at killing mafia
The first is clearly more beneficial.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:38 am

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In post 8, thenavneet wrote:Saudade rings a bell. I don't like bells

VOTE: Saudade
I don't like you.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:52 am

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Ahh yes ok I get it. Scum get to kill someone without being on a wagon so they don't have to answer for that or make up lies. I guess the increase in prob I stated also isn't that major of a advantage especially (as you said) given that PR's are revealed. Trading PR for slightly higher chance of catching scum isn't really worth it. Thx Raya

(open question to anyone) In the mean time until everyone comes on to post, tell us where your username comes from?-I like obscure information in general so I like picking names from books/games/movies that I feel are less well known to people in general (especially ones that play a significant role). Don't know how obscure the vortigaunt really are for those playing here so...
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:57 am

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In post 13, Saudade wrote:Lynching means you have a chance at killing mafia
No lynching means you have no chance at killing mafia
The first is clearly more beneficial.
It is more beneficial if you
can
lynch scum. No lynching also means no chance of killing town by accident. It's like gambling, you can use your money to take a chance and win more than you put in but No lynching is like not gambling at all i.e. there's no gain but there's also no loss. But I agree that it also takes pressure off scum since they cannot get into hot water for being/not being on a wagon that gets lynched.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:16 am

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No you are wrong, if we lynch today we get an extra chance at winning the game and if we dont lynch today we'll only have one chance.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:29 am

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I shall arrive to this party with my IC post in a few hours.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 11, The Vortigaunt wrote:I have two honest questions and I figure I might as well ask this in a newbie game. Firstly why is no-lynch on day one bad? I am given to understand that most day one lynches do not catch scum so wouldn't a no lynch on day one statistically make it so that one more town survives since the only town getting eliminated would be scum nk?
And the other thing, what prevents a mass claim day one? If everyone claims day one, scum have to either fake claim or die but their very claims can be mathematically used against them since the PRs and VT numbers are known in this setup. That means that best fake claim they can make is VT and already town's odds of even randomly lynching scum goes from 2/9 to 2/7. Add to this that suspicion is around them I am willing to bet that it becomes harder for them to come up with lies and misdirection because focus is already semi focused in their vicinity from the start?

That being said I am willing to continue with rvs for now but just wanted to share my thoughts.
VOTE: UglyDuck
I don't think an NL on D1 is necessarily bad. Sure we won't hit scum and they'll get a "free" Nightkill. But they'll also (potentially) have no info going into the night and their kill will be more or less random. That gives the Town PRs a chance to collect info and makes for a more informed discussion on D2 depending on their results. Of course given that the Nighkill will end up being random (or possibly someone fear killing someone else who they know to be a good player) it could backfire on Town if scum happen to hit one of the information gathering PRs.

The mass claim on D1 is something I've thought of as well and wouldn't mind seeing it attempted once just to see how it plays out. I do think it benefits Town more than scum right off the bat it also essentially puts Town on a clock because both PRs will almost certainly die on N1 and N2 so it only gives Town 2 days before the game state descends into chaos without any Town PRs. High risk high reward imo.
In post 15, The Vortigaunt wrote:(open question to anyone) In the mean time until everyone comes on to post, tell us where your username comes from?-I like obscure information in general so I like picking names from books/games/movies that I feel are less well known to people in general (especially ones that play a significant role). Don't know how obscure the vortigaunt really are for those playing here so...
Mine is just my name with the article "the" appended at the start. I'm a wrestling fan (WWE mostly) and The Rock is my all time favorite wrestler so my online name is a tribute/rip-off of him.
In post 16, The Vortigaunt wrote:
In post 13, Saudade wrote:Lynching means you have a chance at killing mafia
No lynching means you have no chance at killing mafia
The first is clearly more beneficial.
It is more beneficial if you
can
lynch scum. No lynching also means no chance of killing town by accident. It's like gambling, you can use your money to take a chance and win more than you put in but No lynching is like not gambling at all i.e. there's no gain but there's also no loss. But I agree that it also takes pressure off scum since they cannot get into hot water for being/not being on a wagon that gets lynched.
You seem to be a risk averse type player. I like that. I think we'll get along.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 14, Saudade wrote:
In post 8, thenavneet wrote:Saudade rings a bell. I don't like bells

VOTE: Saudade
I don't like you.
:mrgreen:
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:48 am

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In two of the nine scenarios, there is only one PR. If there are two mafia goons and someone claims cop or jk, scum know that one of them can claim PR without being contested.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:05 pm

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No problem! Glad I could help
In post 15, The Vortigaunt wrote: (open question to anyone) In the mean time until everyone comes on to post, tell us where your username comes from?
Mine is pretty much a weird spin-off of my real name.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:06 pm

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Flavor Leaf's IC Post


Hello, everybody!
Flavor Leaf
(or if you know me by my main account,
Boonskiies
) here, and I will be your
IC
for this game.
IC
stands for "
Inexperienced Challenged
". What this means is, as the
IC
, along with playing the game, I have the additional job of answering any questions that you may have about the game, basic mafia game theory and mechanics, or anything specific to the MafiaScum site itself, for those of you who are already familiar with the game of Mafia.

This being said, you should not allow your read on me to be influenced by anything I say as
IC
in response to questions or advice. Roles and alignments are randomly assigned; this means I have just as much a chance of being scum as any of you guys, and I will be playing towards my wincon, whether it be scum or town.

I will never use my position as
IC
to decieve you, and I will try my best to dissociate when I'm speaking as an
IC
, and when I'm speaking as a player.

Alongside myself as the
IC
, we have a few
SE
(
Semi-Experienced
) players. An
SE
is not a teaching role, but more of a showcase role. The goal of all established players is to set a good example in Newbie games to help properly integrate newer players.


A Quick Few Tidbits:

• Don't be afraid to ask questions. I'll happily answer to the best of my ability.
• Be active! A lively game is better than a ghost town of a game. Post as much as you can and interact with your fellow players.
• Occasionally, mafia can be a bit heated, and you may feel a bit attacked sometimes. It's a natural part of the game, but try and confine your comments to a person's play rather than the person themself. Being scum read can seem like an insult, but everyone eventually rolls scum. It's nothing to be ashamed of! Don't look at it as a "Good vs Bad" scenario. Try working with the other players to help them see things from your perspective rather than stating they are wrong.
• Don't let a mistake or a mislynch bring you down. It happens a lot. Don't be afraid to really push for your reads, and don't feel bad if it turns out you were wrong. Even the most advanced players aren't always right! It's the nature of the game.


Here are some key concepts that will help you better understand the site meta:

Spoiler:
Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games here on MafiaScum almost always begin with what's called the Random Voting Stage (RVS). Beginning of the game, players have extremely low information (besides the mafia team who already know everyone's alignments). At this time, players generally will vote for non-serious reasons to provoke reactions from other players. Eventually the discussion will progress, and the game will get moving out of the RVS Stage.


Voting, L-1, and Hammers


Typically, L-x is how we convey how close to a lynch a player is, with x being the amount of votes needed to successfully lynch a player. You should generally always announce that you are putting someone at L-1, 1 vote away from a lynch, so that someone can't come in and accidentally vote and lynch a player before the playerbase is ready to move on to the next day. This also prevents any Mafia-aligned players from ending the day on their terms by placing the final vote to lynch ("hammer") and then brushing it away like they didn't know it was L-1. Generally, you will also see people post L-2 or L-3 (2 and 3 votes away from lynch).

Before you hammer the player, it is customary that you give an "Intent to hammer" post, so that the player can then claim their role. It is usually best to allow
other players time to react and respond to the claim before hammering.


Claiming Your Role


Unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim because of an intent to hammer, it is almost never a good idea to claim your role. If you are a Town Power Role (PR), you are then likely to be killed by Mafia in the night, or Night Killed (NK'ed). If you are a Vanilla Townie (VT), you may think that claiming might not matter too much, but by doing so, you will be narrowing down the field of who a potential PR might be.

There are exceptions to this rule. For instance, if a Mafia-aligned player has just claimed your role, or your role directly counters the Mafia player's, claiming early to counterclaim (CC) would directly out the Mafia player as Mafia, and the town would benefit.


LyLo


LyLo is the abbreviation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia;
or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. In these situations the town aligned players should not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game without the town being able to fight back. MyLo, however, stands for "Mislynch and Lose", meaning the game will end on a mislynch, but not if you choose to "No Lynch". This generally can be helpful when there are an even amount of players left in the game, and you want to narrow down the pool with some night actions.


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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:09 pm

Post by Flavor Leaf »

Some people have already stated things. I like to put a few questions out there after that long, boring post.

1. What, if any, experience do you have with Mafia. It's okay if this is your first game ever.
2. Do you have any questions for me to start this game off?
3. Do you have a favorite role or alignment? I personally like playing as a Mafia Goon the best.


Some of you semi answered some of this already.

I'll throw down my RVS vote.

VOTE: Raya

And I'd also like to state that I typically feel lynching Day 1 is generally for the best.

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