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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:51 pm

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I have edited Proposal 303 to include the following:

If no player currently meets this threshold, the first player to meet this criteria will become the Monarch.




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Current Immutable Rules:

Spoiler:
101: Players must follow all currently active rules.
102: A rule is active (except as excluded in 103) if it passes and has not
been repealed or amended by another rule.
103: A rule is no longer active if it is completely overridden by another
rule or repealed.
104: No rule shall be made to stop further amendments, additions, or deletions
of the rules.
105: Five active players are required to make, vote upon, or pass proposals.
106: Inactive players automatically abstain on all proposals.
107: Voting threshold changes due to additional players or inactive players
are considered instantly.
108: Immutable rules automatically override mutable rules unless an
immutable rule specifies otherwise.
109: Whenever a mutable law conflicts with a mutable law, or an immutable
law conflicts with an immutable law, the lowest ordinal shall take precedence
unless otherwise dictated by the laws. If both defer to each other, then
the number rule applies again.
110: All players are eligible to vote.
111: All immutable rules may be transmuted to mutable rules by unanimous
consent.
112: Mutable rules may be transmuted to immutable rules by unanimous consent.
113: To calculate the total number of active votes, tally up the number
of votes possessed by active players minus the votes of abstaining players.
114: All new rules are mutable.
115: In the initial ruleset, rules 101-118 are immutable, and rules
201-214 are mutable.
116: It takes unanimous consent from all other players to override the
moderator on the formatting of the game's associated wiki pages.
117: Players must follow the formatting and updating guidelines specified in
the rules and by the moderator.
118: Players must help update the game status by adding their name when they
vote for or against a proposal and by marking when a proposal has been
accepted or rejected. (Note that these refer to updating the wiki pages.)


Current Mutable Rules:

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201: All players are given one vote to vote Yea or Nea to proposals.
202: An inactive player is any player who has not posted for a total of
72 hours.
203: Unless otherwise specified, immutable rules must be transmuted before
they are amended or repealed.
204: Unless otherwise specified, all mutable rules require an absolute
majority of active votes to amend or repeal.
205: New proposals begin at 301 and ascend in number. They are numbered
in accordance to the time they are proposed regardless of whether they pass
or fail.
206: New rules require an absolute majority of active votes to pass.
207: The game begins when there are at least five active players,
including the moderator.
208: There may be no more than five pending proposals at any given time.
A pending proposal is a proposal that has not yet been marked as having
passed or failed.
209: Votes for proposals should be done using the vote tags and include
"Yea" or "Nay" (and variants and any other options that are allowed in
future rules) and include the proposal number.
210: It is the player's responsibility to number proposals correctly.
Proposals with missing or incorrect numbers are automatically failed and
are not added to the proposal history.
211: Players may VOTE: ABSTAIN # to abstain on a proposal. (Please use
vote tags or bold.)
212: To join, simply post /in.
213: All players start with 0 points.
214: The first player to reach 100 points wins the game.

301: Currency refers to any resource which may be freely traded between players without any cost. Should a law instate a new currency, it must have a name, and one initial way to earn it. If it is not stated, assume that all players start with 0 of the Currency.
302: The player who proposes a proposal that passes gains 1 point. This rule is retroactive at the time of enactment.


Current Proposals:

Proposal 303 (Post 19) by Jake The Wolfie: The Monarch is defined to be exactly one player at a time, who has special abilities that may later be defined. In addition, The Monarch may choose to abdicate their power to a player of their choice. If more than 3/4ths of all active non-Monarch players vote to overthrow the Monarch, then a new Monarch shall be picked with the old Monarch being ineligible for being picked. If a Monarch becomes inactive, a new Monarch shall be picked.
If no player is currently the Monarch, whoever has the most points above 10 and is eligible shall become the Monarch. All inactive players are considered ineligible for becoming the Monarch.
Yea - Jake The Wolfie (19)
Nay - lendunistus (21)
Not Voting - Ircher, tris, Charles510

Current Standings:
  1. Ircher - 1 point
  2. Jake The Wolfie - 1 point
  3. tris - 0 points
  4. lendunistus - 0 points
  5. Charles510 - 0 points
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:07 pm

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hmm, the terms "rule" and "proposal" are being used somewhat interchangeably. i would like to define those terms more clearly, but that requires more thought, so i'll think about this more tomorrow.

pedit:
Proposal 304: If a proposal is edited while pending, all yea votes aside from that of the proposer are immediately removed.

VOTE: yea 304

while we're at it,
Proposal 305: A player automatically votes yea on any proposal that they propose for which yea is an option.

VOTE: yea 305
here's what it says
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:27 pm

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VOTE: Yea 304
VOTE: Yea 305
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:54 pm

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VOTE: Yea 304
VOTE: Yea 305
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:18 pm

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Wiki updated
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:23 pm

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Proposal 306: When a proposal has not been voted on for 72 hours in a row or the player who made the proposal becomes inactive, the proposal automatically fails.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:45 pm

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Proposal 307: Amend rule 202

An inactive player is any player who hasn't posted for 72 hours in a row.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:04 am

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oh you have to edit proposal history as well
I’ll get to that… sometime soon
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:15 am

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In post 24, lendunistus wrote:i’ve updated the wiki as of post 23
if that’s Ircher’s job, apologies but oh well
No, that's great! It's why this one is in the wiki format because sometimes the workload is really high otherwise.
In post 32, lendunistus wrote:oh you have to edit proposal history as well
I’ll get to that… sometime soon
That's actually less of a concern. As long as proposals are marked as passed/failed, we can always archive them later. (You can just keep them in the active proposals section; just make sure they have a line that says "Accepted/Rejected as of post #." That way, we know it's no longer active and doesn't count against the number of allowed active proposals.)

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I'm not sure we really want a monarch.
VOTE: Yea 306
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I don't see the point of 307. Is that not what it already says?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:35 am

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In post 33, Ircher wrote: VOTE: Nay 307
I don't see the point of 307. Is that not what it already says?
currently, rule 202 says: “An inactive player is any player who has not posted for
a total of 72 hours.


that could simply be interpreted as “this player has not posted for 12 hours, posted and then went away for 60 hours. that means they’re inactive!”

when it should just be “72 hours in a row”

we should probably also make a rule that specifies that if you’re inactive, posting in the thread will make you an active player again
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:48 am

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Meh. I think 202 is fine as-is, but I would accept the additional proposal (of posting making you active again). I think that's a very narrow way to view it semantically granted this is a game where people rules-lawyer, but I wouldn't say it's the most common interpretation.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:54 am

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/in

Let me look at the current proposals.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:55 am

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72 Concecutive Hours

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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:57 am

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VOTE: Yea 307
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:59 am

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/in
Am I also welcome here?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:00 am

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Yes ofc!
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:00 am

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VOTE: Abstain 303
VOTE: Yeah 306
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:03 am

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VOTE: Nay 303
Sets a dangerous precedent imo
VOTE: Yea 306
VOTE: Yea 307
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:04 am

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Proposal 308: Whenever a player makes a proposal, that player automatically votes Yea thereon by default.

VOTE: Yea 308
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:04 am

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Would using "Aye" be allowed as per 209
Cause I vastly prefer "Aye"
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:05 am

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In post 43, StrangerCoug wrote:
Proposal 308: Whenever a player makes a proposal, that player automatically votes Yea thereon by default.

VOTE: Yea 308
Isn't this 305
VOTE: Nay 308
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:05 am

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Aye is acceptable.

As for 308, didn't we already pass something like that? It's probably not in the archive yet, but the main page should be mostly up to date.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:05 am

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VOTE: Nay 308
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:06 am

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In post 43, StrangerCoug wrote:
Proposal 308: Whenever a player makes a proposal, that player automatically votes Yea thereon by default.

VOTE: Yea 308
VOTE: Nay 308

Rule 305 already covers that
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:07 am

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Treat 308 as void. I'm on my phone and didn't notice it was basically already there as a rule.
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