In post 1308, xRECKONERx wrote:
it dilutes the idea of a survivor game being something special
WHEW okay so boy oh boy do I ever have thoughts about this and I'm going to subject you to them!Point 1
: Once upon a time, we didn't have constant games running. I know, shocking, but let's look at the OP of Survivor: UPick
ShadowLurker, wow, blast from the past wrote:I know that Solitary won the Poll, but MS hasn't had a completed Survivor in ages, and there aren't any large games going on now so I think a Survivor would be appropriate.
For more evidence, look at the Wiki page for Survivor games
. Most people mark Mushroom Kingdom as the renaissance point for MafiaScum large-scale ORGs, so let's use that as our starting point, remembering that the site started in 2005.Pre-Mushroom Kingdom (October 2010)
: 10 games completed, 7 abandonedPost-Mushroom Kingdom
: 31 completed, 2 abandoned, one ongoing
I can just as easily argue that this queue itself has ruined the "specialness" of Survivor games because back
when America was great
in the day, the well-run games were fewer and far between. But in fact most people would argue just the opposite: today, if you sign up for a game, you know that there's been real work put into it, it's EXTREMELY unlikely that it's going to be abandoned, and you're going to enjoy yourself.
: The games you are complaining about are not serious games. Several of them were explicitly stated to be concept playtests for potential future games. Others are being run by people who are not interested in running a full-scale game, and in every case, players are not trying that hard! Go read the endgame of Survivor: Vacation, where both finalists explicitly said "lol we didn't try really we're just here to fuck around vote whatever."
And, as a subpoint that I don't want to make its own point, random games like this are sort of the whole point of Mish Mash? Like, SPITFLY and Elect the Executioner are popular mainstays of the forum and what you're essentially arguing is regulating that as well and at a certain point this becomes too much and nobody is having any fun.
: Survivor: OTT is not a Survivor game by any definition, it's just people fucking around, shitposting and voting on random characters to eliminate. It's essentially a random simulation with more shitposting and basically do you even know what you're talking about at this point?
this needed to be its own point because you bitching about Survivor: OTT literally makes negative sense and shows me you haven't read the thread
: Explain to me what being an elitist dick about large-scale games gets us, huh
Like, we have a queue in place
against everything I ever wanted as Janitor
because people thought that the Survivor games were special and important enough to have some moderate regulations in place so that we don't get stuff like Survivor: Mario Bros appearing one day or I dunno, a Survivor game getting planned in a weekend and appearing out of nowhere
Like if someone posts a thread saying "Hey sign up for my 18-player Survivor game, we have challenges and you vote each other out and at the end there's a winner" then yes, I will be right there with you saying "hey, actually, we sorta have a system for this?" because that's the model this site works on, and that's fine, whatever. But if we're gonna shut down every smaller game that someone wants to run then what is the point, where is the fun, what precisely does this accomplish except chasing people out of the community