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He can choose not to kill. What kind of a choice would killing me and automatically losing the game be?In post 75, Skelda wrote:What if he has no option but to eliminate you? Which is the situation we can produce.
I am going to the first location next round. If you like living, go with me. If you choose death like Shadoweh, go elsewhere.I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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optimal strategy is to assign one ghost to location one, the other to location two
everyone hides with one of the two ghosts
if the bad ghost is in location one then he has to kill there and reveals himself; same thing if he's in location two
and if he doesn't stick to the location agreed upon then we know he's the bad ghost too- Shadoweh
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Or: you could hide randomly! Then everyone gets a chance to play the game!In post 77, Skelda wrote:Okay, then no one dies ever.I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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I mean the Bad Ghost is just going to infinitely No Kill at that point McMenno. Our best bet would be forcing the bad ghost to move and we have it in our power to do that, but maybe we're better off just doing that when there are fewer people to organize since there's absolutely no harm in agreeing at, say, the F5 or F4 or whatever.
But at the same time, I don't want to cut it too close and have someone do something stupid that messes up a guaranteed win.- Cheery Dog
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Can we rearrange the two games so that all the people like shadoweh (and me) are in one and the people that want to act like it's mafia or whatever they're doing are in the other?In post 79, Shadoweh wrote:
Or: you could hide randomly! Then everyone gets a chance to play the game!In post 77, Skelda wrote:Okay, then no one dies ever.
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It's only a 100% winrate for the Good Ghost. That's what I don't think people get across both games.
The point isn't to identify the Good Ghost and win, it's also to survive until the end to get the chance to pick it.
Like, it's not 14 town and 1 scum, it's a town, a scum and 13 Survivors.
(basically Chevre should just emergency patch the games so the ghosts can't declare where they're hiding
Or anyone I guess since that would probably just lead the visitors to mass huddle together.)I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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This is what I've been trying super to say. I'll take a guaranteed win though and I'm the good ghost and if you aren't a ghost then it isn't 100% because you still have to survive.In post 82, McMenno wrote:no wait the optimal strategy is
all visitors and ghost one hide in location one; ghost two hides in location two
if ghosts two hides anywhere else they're confirmed to be the bad ghost
but an optimal strategy like that wouldn't work because people perceive a 100% winrate as unfun- Chevre
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A great chorus of flushing!
Gammagooey and Shadoweh run to the front of the bathrooms to see what is causing such a ruckus! But they're just in time to see everyone emerge safe, sound, and relieved from the Men's and Family Restrooms. After all the flushes die down, the Women's Bathroom is quiet. Adorabebs opens the door --CREAAAAAK-- and they go inside.
All the stalls are occupied, but one by one they open to smiling faces.
Xalxe . . .
yawetag . . .
Shaziro . . .
Aronis . . .
Clumsy . . .
ButJaeReed'sstall never opens. JaeReed was flushed down the toilet and was never heard from again.
So you all run screaming to another part of the carnival! This time to the fun house (how cliche can you get?). How much fun are you gonna have?
Hiding Choices
Amidst the Punching Bags
In the Ball Pit
In the Mirror Room
On the WHEEL OF DOOM
48-ish hours!
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How are you all feeling about the game? It certainly seems terribly broken but I don't want to make any changes without all sides approving them. Let me know what I can do to make this enjoyable!There will be no kisses tonight
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I love the idea of the game, trying to narrow down the ghosts depending on who died where, but I didn't realize it could be broken in a few ways at the onset. It's just inherent in the set up. The only way I could really see it done without being able to break it would be if the Good Ghost didn't know they were the good ghost. Then even they would be trying to logic out the game.
Chev, I'm down for whatever balance changes you need to make. We could either restart and use that, or if you have any other ideas, we could use that. Up to you!- Skelda
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Even the good ghost not knowing who the bad ghost is leads to the both ghosts claim scenario. Good ghost immediately claims. If the bad ghost doesn't counter claim, when it gets down to the final two you know who is the good ghost. If the bad ghost -does- counter claim, you're back to where you were. If the good ghost doesn't know that they're the good ghost (since their power is passive) and the bad ghost of course knows who both ghosts are, then the entire game becomes the narrowing down and attempting to corner the bad ghost that it was meant to be. It becomes a game of "X died in this group therefore nobody else who was there is the good ghost, we have to try and spread those guys out now and keep trying to force the bad ghost into clearing new people of being the good ghost" kind of thing.- Shadoweh
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It would be too late to not tell the ghosts who each other are, but as long as the ghosts know they're ghosts I don't think you can stop a 'hide together' strategy from happening, so it stands to reason that stopping discussion of hiding places fixes it. Even if Good ghost doesn't know the Bad Ghost, everyone will still want to hide beside them.In post 86, Chevre wrote: How are you all feeling about the game? It certainly seems terribly broken but I don't want to make any changes without all sides approving them. Let me know what I can do to make this enjoyable!I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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I agree that it does but as long as everyone can go to one spot it works that way.In post 92, Skelda wrote:Shadow's way eliminates all strategy and I generally don't like limits on what people can say, but you are right that the ghosts being able to claim locations breaks the game in its current state.
If there was a reason not to go to the same spot, like every place could only hold so many people or something, or 'if everyone hides in the same place half of them are randomly sent to no-man's land where no ghosts are' or something.I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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In post 95, Shaziro wrote:Still pretty sure the best way to make this game a strategy game rather than a broken one is to simply make the Good Ghost not know they are the good ghost or who the bad ghost is.
yeah i think at least one of these two is the way to goIn post 93, McMenno wrote:I think removing this rule mostly fixes it. why was it even added in the first place?
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Oh, here's a good idea, adding to removing the 'bad ghost is also shown in this location' thing
A rule where if the Good and Bad ghost hide in the same location, people there can be killedI HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
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I'm going toend this game. I've received just over half of submissions across the two games, and it is clear that it is pretty broken.
My apologies. I'm glad to have tried to resurrect it, but it looks I didn't do a very good job.There will be no kisses tonight
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'Cause what is now wasn't there before and should not be - Chevre
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