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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:18 pm

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If players vote on no muck that's fine with me. But everyone has to agree.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:20 pm

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Ok that's what I'll do in the future then

Preview edit: as far as the reveal.

I kind of like the option to muck but it feels like unnecessarily waiting so I dunno what is best. Maybe if you just reveal the winning hand and then losing hands can show after if they want?
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:21 pm

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There is waiting involved in mucking but it's part of poker strategy so it's up to you guys.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:22 pm

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I feel for smoothness sake two should just reveal everyone still in after last round of betting.

Forum is already clunky.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:26 pm

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Why reveal losing hands though unless they'd normally be required to show by rule?
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:28 pm

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Shrug, most online poker is no muck.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:30 pm

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No usually in online poker you have a choice to muck. Haven't played forum poker though.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:30 pm

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I mean, it's not like I've ever played poker at the casino or anything but when I played with friends we all just showed @ the end. I mean I guess I can sorta see the strategy of not showing cards so some players won't know what has/hasn't been played yet but it seems mostly silly to me.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:32 pm

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In post 182, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, it's not like I've ever played poker at the casino or anything but when I played with friends we all just showed @ the end. I mean I guess I can sorta see the strategy of not showing cards so some players won't know what has/hasn't been played yet but it seems mostly silly to me.
It's more about information about yourself and how you play certain hands. There's no reason to give that info away if you don't have to.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:33 pm

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Information is generally considered important in higher level poker games but it is up to the individual game.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:43 pm

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I mean like, it's better to show a bluff than not. And it's generally better to be erratic anyway, if you care if people read how you are playing a hand then what happens when you do win the hand?

Unless you are planning on playing for a short while people will get the info anyway.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:43 pm

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Yeah, online every game is different. One app called pokerist actually doesn't allow you to show losing hands. You only see the winner.

Real games, you can muck any time unless you are all in and the only time you can be forced to show is when both players are waiting for the other to show then I think whoever forced the action shows first. Even then, the second player can muck.

I mean, it's two's game so I can live with whatever he decides, but I really think just showing the winner and leaving the rest up to the players is the way to go and I really don't like the idea of losing hands having to show. Like if I bluff and you call me in a real game, I'm saying "good call" and throwing my cards face down the second I see you have anything at all.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:47 pm

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Unless all players agree we will go with mucking.

If you want to have a vote options are:
A) Dealer reveals all showdown cards.
B) Dealer reveals winning showdown cards.
C) Revealing cards is up to the players.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:48 pm

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In post 186, Kmd4390 wrote:Yeah, online every game is different. One app called pokerist actually doesn't allow you to show losing hands. You only see the winner.

Real games, you can muck any time unless you are all in and the only time you can be forced to show is when both players are waiting for the other to show then I think whoever forced the action shows first. Even then, the second player can muck.

I mean, it's two's game so I can live with whatever he decides, but I really think just showing the winner and leaving the rest up to the players is the way to go and I really don't like the idea of losing hands having to show. Like if I bluff and you call me in a real game, I'm saying "good call" and throwing my cards face down the second I see you have anything at all.
This isn't really on topic but why would you ever want to hide a bluff.

Either you bluff too much. Or you're just flat out harming your opportunities to string people along.

I personally would like two to always reveal my hands if I am in a hand to the end.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 pm

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I only care because it makes it faster. But all good whatever people want. As long as I don't have to say the same thing every hand.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:50 pm

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In post 188, Espeonage wrote:
In post 186, Kmd4390 wrote:Yeah, online every game is different. One app called pokerist actually doesn't allow you to show losing hands. You only see the winner.

Real games, you can muck any time unless you are all in and the only time you can be forced to show is when both players are waiting for the other to show then I think whoever forced the action shows first. Even then, the second player can muck.

I mean, it's two's game so I can live with whatever he decides, but I really think just showing the winner and leaving the rest up to the players is the way to go and I really don't like the idea of losing hands having to show. Like if I bluff and you call me in a real game, I'm saying "good call" and throwing my cards face down the second I see you have anything at all.
This isn't really on topic but why would you ever want to hide a bluff.

Either you bluff too much. Or you're just flat out harming your opportunities to string people along.

I personally would like two to always reveal my hands if I am in a hand to the end.
The reputation of being the guy who never bluffs lets me get away with it more often.

I vote B
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:54 pm

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I remember being a cruise for a week. There was a donkey there every day. He only folded on the river once. And it was the only time I bluffed in to him the entire time.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 pm

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I vote C , players should show or muck in turn.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:57 pm

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In the interest of time saving I would prefer B.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:58 pm

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Okay, mucking is up to the players then, as everyone has to agree for A or B.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 pm

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Charles are you showing or mucking?
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:02 pm

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It's Yoshi's turn to show.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:03 pm

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You have the option of showing early if you want, just asking.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:05 pm

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I muck after Nero shows his pair of fives
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:07 pm

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Really Charles?
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