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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:16 am

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Yes I noticed that this had a much bigger effect in round 2 than round 1.
I tried to think of different ways to maybe deal with it.

You guys are the players. Is it fun because it adds an element beyond the words or does it feel bad?

I know I still want the basic idea of unique words to matter and also give lesser knowledgeable players to have a chance at scoring moderately.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:30 am

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it seems fine to me, i like the mindgame aspect
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 11:17 am

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I think it feels bad. I like searching for words. I don't like trying to guess which words which players are going to pick, or worrying about whether I should sacrifice potential points by including a shorter word that I think people are less likely to say.

I do like encouraging people to find creative words, but if you double the points then it makes the game less about who found longer words and more about who decided to include which words in their list (for instance, NeenieKit's words were by far the shortest and yet she got the second best score). I brainstormed a few possible changes that would improve this:
  • Remove unique bonuses entirely. In my opinion, better than the current system, but it doesn't really reward clever words at all. Probably not as fun as it could be.
  • Have each player submit a list as long as they like, and use the entire list in determining unique words, but use only the first 10 words on the list to determine their score. That makes about what words you think the other players will FIND, not what words you think they will PUT. However, it also penalizes those who don't have enough time to devote to something so exhaustive (though as long as two people make an exhaustive list of 2-4 letter words, they should cover most of the problem words).
  • Give a fixed bonus to unique words rather than double. +1 seems like not quite enough given that the top contenders will likely have ROUGHLY the same number of unique words, but +2 means that a six-letter word that multiple people happened to find can be worth as much as someone writing down a random four-letter word that nobody else chose to put. +1.5 is interesting, and if you don't mind giving out half points, this would be my recommendation.
  • Pick a number, probably between 1 and 3, of key words each player must designate each round. There are no unique bonuses, but key words are worth double points for anyone who wrote them (including the person who picked them). This is better because players are motivated to pick longer words that they think other players won't find, but they only have to pick out a few words that they think other players won't find. It doesn't solve the issue entirely, and it's a bit complicated, but it still retains some of the strategy element if you want that.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 1:22 pm

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Edit: I AM A DUMBASS WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A PM BUTTON IS.
For fairness I will keep the original post and not use these words, up to BuJaber if he wants to ban them or not. Sorry :oops:

Edit 2: Since Kat deleted her response I might as well delete the post. If BuJaber wants me to reveal what words I mentioned I will.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:53 pm

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chastising s_s
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:58 pm

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no you are supposed to chastise me for discussing words in the thread, not answer my question :shifty:

my apologies BuJaber. Was a complete accident.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:13 pm

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It's okay.. it happens

Your third option is interesting.

One of the options I came up with is to multiply the total score by 1.x where x is the average length of words submitted. So say you have a few 6, 5, and 4 letter words average would be around 5 so your score is multipied by 1.5. The difference between 1.4 multiplier and 1.5 multiplier wouldn't be huge but it will be significant that it rewards longer words.Howeved the scoring would get messy with decimals.

Maybe we can do it where your longest unique word gets doubled. That way if a player has no unique words they get no bonus. If a player gets a short unique word they get a small bonus. If a player gets a long unique word they get a large bonus. I think this might be the best option. What do y'all think?


Since I got a PM about it:
To clarify, checking words in the dictionary, or using anagram solvers or any other tools to help you breaks rule number 2. It goes against the spirit of the game. This is just a fun competition to test your skill. We operate on the honor system.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:33 pm

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Two things:

Scoring for round 3 will be changed on a trial basis.
If somebody has unique words only their longest unique word will get double points. All other words will get single points. If this ends up being a good way to score it will be how I score future rounds.

Some of you are concerned with having their words rejected when they are not allowed to look up tgeir words in the dictionary. To alleviate their concerns I have 2 proposals. Please vote on which you want me to follow.

1. I check your word in multiple dictionaries that I trust instead of just 1. That may cover a wider range of words.

2. When you submit your words I tell you if any will be rejected so you can submit alternatives before deadline. That way only if you submit too late your words will be rejected otherwise all words will pretty much be guaranteed.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 7:29 am

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VOTE: 2
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 7:41 am

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I like both.......................................................

1 might take more work than needed though so VOTE: 2
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 11:57 pm

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/ego

I love word games.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 7:02 pm

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In post 32, BuJaber wrote:2. When you submit your words I tell you if any will be rejected so you can submit alternatives before deadline. That way only if you submit too late your words will be rejected otherwise all words will pretty much be guaranteed.
We are now playing with this rule in effect.

Also scoring has been changed. Only your longest unique word will score double points. Additional unique words will be scored normally.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2018 2:31 pm

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Sorry I forgot about this.
Might not get around to it until saturday because it's a pain trying to do it on the phone.
Will try to finish scoring round 3 asap.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2018 1:51 am

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Round 3 Results:
Letters were: EMUAZNOZQR

Sadly Katy still hasn't seen my PM about the rejected word.

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Something_SmartAzureReamManureManorMournMornMarqueRazeRoanAeon53+5
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ManureMoanerMournAzureRamenRazeMazeManeRoan49+5
MallowgenoMoreNameRueManorMeanRoamManeRamZoneAre42+5
insanity018MazeRazeReamZoneAzureMare
Razor
RoamManeQua40+5
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:04 am

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In post 38, BuJaber wrote:Razor
(sorry to bust your bubble insanity but there's only one R :P)
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:10 am

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Good catch. Don't know how I missed that twice.

I subtracted 1 from insanity's score for the unique word bonus. But since it's my fault for not rejecting the word I'll keep insanity's score and just add 5 to everyone else's score.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:12 am

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I knew this rejecting business would mean extra work for me :P
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2018 2:12 pm

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In post 39, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 38, BuJaber wrote:Razor
(sorry to bust your bubble insanity but there's only one R :P)
Whoops! :facepalm: :lol:
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2018 1:38 pm

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ah, sorry i kind of dipped
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:54 am

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I apologize for the disappearance. I have lacked the time and motivation to do this because I do it on a computer and not on phone. I hope to return to hosting it regularly soon (and post the results of the last round)
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