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Post Post #25  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:04 pm

In post 21, Inferno390 wrote:Fair points.
I will change my vote.
VOTE: Yea Porkens

That would be a majority, so Porkens is officially registered.
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Post Post #26  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:04 pm

@james You need to register again
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Post Post #27  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:05 pm

He did. I’m keeping track.
Also, I agree with Ircher on the clause amendment.
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Post Post #28  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:05 pm

oh ok
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Post Post #29  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:09 pm

I will run for senate as of now. Here are some of the things I am proposing:
A) Position of Court Justice, who will oversee lawbreakers (think Sherrif and judge all in one). He will alert Senate and he with senate will decide on punishment.
B) Probation amendment that allows for posts to be removed if the person is under ban effect.
C) Currency of some sort based on site activity/games/etc.
D) Laws/amendment disallowing spamming and trolling
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Post Post #30  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:25 pm

I think it's better not to delete posts.
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Post Post #31  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:26 pm

Same, unless it’s a duplicate or such
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Post Post #32  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:28 pm

I’m also not totally on board with starting the senate off right now, a lot of these issues can be resolved easily due to the small voter base we have right now. I think once we hit 15+ people, we should worry about it, but until then, we are more or less the senate.
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Post Post #33  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:28 pm

Of course, aside from adding, changing, and removing positions, to amend this constitution, we first have to amend the amendment process itself. (In its current state, we can't amend any part of the Bill of Rights, and I did that for good reason.... Just forgot a few things tis all.)
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Post Post #34  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:30 pm

Well, I guess we can alter it by unaminous consent--I did have that clause in there. Really depends on how much authority we want to give the Bill of Rights: above all other constitutional clauses or on par with them?
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Post Post #35  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:31 pm

On par.
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Post Post #36  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:32 pm

Also, how can we control banned posters without deleting their posts?
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Post Post #37  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:34 pm

Report them if they continue to post, simple as that. At that point, they are willfully vandalizing the game.

As far as rendering them on par goes, that means the clause #4 of section III needs to be amended. I also think we still need a president even if we do not immediately form a senate.
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Post Post #38  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:35 pm

Agreed. I do not want to be president however.
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Post Post #39  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:35 pm

Um, I noticed there’s nothing saying we can’t ADD anything to the Bill of Rights with just a majority vote. We just can’t modify or remove existing ones.
So let’s add a clause for infractions and punishment and such.
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Post Post #40  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:36 pm

President is a priority.
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Post Post #41  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:38 pm

I am running for president.

I agree to:
  • Be respectful at all times.
  • Listen to and factor in other people's opinions and thoughts.
  • Not to filibuster a bill by simply letting it sit there. (It's not a pocket veto because the bill still exists, waiting for approval/veto if the president ignores it. So it is a filibuster instead.)
  • Be fair and just in the usage of my power.
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Post Post #42  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:38 pm

In post 39, Inferno390 wrote:Um, I noticed there’s nothing saying we can’t ADD anything to the Bill of Rights with just a majority vote. We just can’t modify or remove existing ones.
So let’s add a clause for infractions and punishment and such.


He’s gonna be so good at being a politician. Day 1 and he’s found loopholes.
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Post Post #43  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:39 pm

In post 0, Inferno390 wrote:Clause 2: In order to amend this constitution, the people must directly will it. Any and all amendments to this constitution shall not be determined by the Senate but shall be directly voted upon by the people. A simple majority is required to add, subtract, or change any part of this constitution.

Clause 3: Laws are not amendments. Laws govern the page-to-page runnings of this government and are secondary to this constitution. In any case where there is a conflict between a law and this constitution, this constitution shall override the parts of the law where the conflict exists.

Clause 4: Amendments either a) add positions to the government b) change the way current positions in the government run (as specified in this constitution) c) remove positions from the government or d) the method by which this constitution is amended. All other bills that are passed are considered laws.

Due to the way amendments are defined in clause #4, it is implicitly stated that all other changes to the constitution are currently disallowed.

That said, we can amend the constitution currently with simply a simple majority vote.
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Post Post #44  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:39 pm

I nominate Inferno390 as president in opposition.
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Post Post #45  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:40 pm

He wants to add a clause, not amend one.
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Post Post #46  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:41 pm

In post 0, Inferno390 wrote:Clause 1: At no time may a law or amendment be made that directly conflicts with any clause of the Bill of Rights (see section I). If such a law or amendment is passed, it shall be ignored.

Eh, we do have this clause actually. So we could add stuff / alter stuff / remove stuff from the Bill of Rights with unaminous consent after all....

Pedit: That's still amending the constitution. Additions, deletions, and alterations are all forms of amendment.
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Post Post #47  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:41 pm

Wikipedia wrote:An amendment is a formal or official change made to a law, contract, constitution, or other legal document. It is based on the verb to amend, which means to change for better. Amendments can add, remove, or update parts of these agreements. They are often used when it is better to change the document than to write a new one.[1]
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Post Post #48  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:54 pm

I decline nomination for now.

I will also start thinking on the wording for these amendments and get back to y’all Monday at the latest.
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Post Post #49  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:55 pm

Let's go with midnight Monday (UTC) as the deadline for presidential candidates as well.

Edit: That would be in (expired on 2018-08-06 00:00:00).
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