Mornington Crescent (2011 East ruleset, golden pockets)

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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:20 pm

it's been a bit since there was a Mornington Crescent match here on site, so I thought I'd start one up. now, before we begin, I'd like to avoid any whinging about the 2011 East ruleset -- I get that some people feel that 2016 East is better in terms of balance, and it's true that 2011 East is a swingier game, but it's better for asynchronous online play with people dropping into the game partway through. also, we'll be playing with the "golden pockets" variant -- for those who aren't familiar, it's a relatively new concept in the players' leagues in a few cities on the East Coast in the US. you can check the website for the 2018 Boston Open for details on the differences, but the biggest thing to keep in mind if you don't feel like reading the whole thing is that it removes the Parsonage mechanic entirely, replacing it with a flowchart based on how everyone is performing so far. there's a forthcoming version 2.2 that will change several branches of the flowchart to include new material, and we should be able to switch to that pretty effortlessly once that comes out.

now, keep in mind that a lot of strategies you might be familiar with if you've played more with the Forrester ruleset aren't valid here. I get that playing in real time on Twitch and whatnot is all the rage these days, but if you're planning on trying something like the Rectory Road Hop, you'll probably be disappointed, because play by post is a game that demands much greater thought from players. no shade if that's your jam, just know that this is a more high-minded pursuit.

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Irrelephant11 kindly asked to include the following reference materials in the OP, and I am pleased to oblige:
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:21 pm

for my first move, Holborn to Knightsbridge, naming 12 acres on teal. (I know I'm gonna get a lot of guff for such a conservative opening move, but I know what I'm about!)

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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:02 pm

I'm actually not totally against 2011 East, despite the popular meta, but I have heard...not great things out of the playtest for the new Golden Pockets you mentioned. I'm reserving judgement until I see the final iteration, but I know right now there's sort of a massive gap between the perceived and actual value to performing an Interchange, not to mention a wildly unbalanced value for several stations on the Jubilee Circuit.

Anyway I'm going to make a bold first move as I am wont to do and start Euston to Charing Cross, exchanging a seven for a three on the way.
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:22 pm

In post 2, Xalxe wrote:right now there's sort of a massive gap between the perceived and actual value to performing an Interchange, not to mention a wildly unbalanced value for several stations on the Jubilee Circuit.

I would argue that Interchanges were OP as all hell before -- sure, they're weaker, but that doesn't mean they're worse for the overall health of the game. you're not wrong about the Jubilee Circuit, but imo the other benefits make up for that deficiency.

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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:33 am

You're all crazy, it's been proven that the optimal move for turn 1 is Phipps Bridge to Morden Road. I take 3 poison counters as a result, but I'm really close to a Star Space and gain one Winds of Magic die.
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:51 am

Moore's treatise on the Phipps to Morden opening has been discredited for years by everyone with the experience to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter. it's not a bad opening move, but Moore's laughable attempt at a proof has far too many flaws in its logic to be taken as a reliable source.

I take Knightsbridge to Barons Court and stop for a Cup of Tea, granting me +6 Inspiration for my next 5 turns and draw three cards from the Piccadilly Deck. I'll play the second card I drew face down and folded inward.

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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:01 pm

Really, a Cup of Tea this early? Alright man, I thought von's Arcana strategy was absurd but you guys do you.

Charing Cross to Bond Street, which nets me four Tokens and, as it's a Thursday, an extra Bowl of Soup, which I'll choose to be Chicken Noodle because I'm a purist.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:04 pm

Alright, you probably see where I'm going with this, but:

Morden Road to Phipps Bridge

That's another 3 poison counters and a second Winds of Magic die
What's 230 – 220 / 2 ?

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:14 pm

Wow I forgot how fast 2011 East moves

pulling some images up for reference (feel free to upload these to the OP)
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As I have had to jump in a bit late, I'll actually circle Barons Court round to Holborn, picking up xyzzy's extra dice along the way
It would be nice to have a status update. If you guys want I can try to keep track

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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:37 pm

I've put those images in the OP, Irrelephant11. that'll be a nice resource to help any newbies follow along.

vonflare, you tease, you aren't taking Moore's opening at all, are you? nicely played. I'm excited to see how you roll with those Winds of Magic die -- you're basically guaranteed to either do exceptionally well or exceptionally poorly, and either one will be quite fun to watch. as for that Thursday soup move, not a bad play -- I think I tend to undervalue temporal resource collection.

I've got a neat strategy planned with the Cup of Tea -- trust me, I know what I'm doing taking that so early :)

for my next move I head back to South Kensington, where thanks to my boosted Inspiration, I can switch to the District line, going to Temple. I put the first of the cards I drew last turn down, flip it, and reverse it.

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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:16 pm

Heathrow Terminal to Cockfosters which claims the maximum amount of space on the map, in keeping with the hypermodern school. My pieces on the very outside of the map will laugh at your puny central pieces.
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:44 pm

I'll go from Waterloo to Kilburn, picking up the Sapphire bonus. I know this move has been much maligned by those who adhere to the traditional understanding of the Milton Appendix, but I believe that the in the 2011 East ruleset the bonus pairs nicely with the potential to receive a Signal token when ending a turn on one of the Echoing Stations.

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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:15 pm

I drew a Mystery token and can thus conceal my first move of the game. Under 2011 east FM ruleset you have until your next post or until 24 hours pass (which is stupidly short in the format but whatever) to play a Reveal. I also play a Runesmith to reduce Vonflares winds of magic because I feel like he is liable to be underestimated and get ahead early.
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:25 pm

I invoke the Golden Pockets Flowchart

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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:28 pm

Oh, I also use a turn to buy A Newspaper from the store at Cockfoster's, which allows me to gain three KNOWLEDGE but costs one of my starting MONEYs
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:05 pm

So xyzzy suspected me of being a competitive Mornington Crescent player, so I thought I'd come out and dispel any rumors: I made it to the final round of the June 2009 Championship. If you know my real name you can actually go back and spot it in the 2009 Annals.

Some of you were on the scene back then might remember a then obscure loophole exposed by the old 2006 rules (before the community split up into different conferences). The judges slipped up and allowed the Town Hall variant. That resulted in a set of cards being played against me that had the effect of disallowing me from playing another game until 2030. So while I'd love to join in, unfortunately rules are rules!
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:09 pm

That being said, as someone who hasn't been in the know for quite a while, it's fascinating to see how much the conventions and strategies have changed. Make a move like Heathrow to Cockfosters in 2009 and you'd have been laughed out of the building.
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:16 pm

Phipps Bridge to Morden Road.

That's 9 poison counters so I can't make that move any more, but that's enough for me to put my plan into action. I'll use all 3 of my winds of magic dice:

Original Roll String: 3d6
3 6-Sided Dice: (6, 6, 5) = 17
What's 230 – 220 / 2 ?

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:20 pm

-3 from RC's runesmith results in a roll of 14, more than enough to cast any spell from the Lore of Ruin.

I cast Crack's Call, creating a crack in the earth running north-south. From now on, anyone crossing the midsection of the board needs to roll a dexterity save or fall to their doom.
What's 230 – 220 / 2 ?

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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:28 pm

using dice tags instead of using real, physical dice? how gauche. please, vonflare, we're all adults, no one is going to accuse you of cheating if you have a slightly higher than average roll.

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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:42 pm

Fine, here.



Even with RC's -3, a 6 is just barely enough to cast Crack's Call, though I wouldn't be able to cast some of the higher-tier spells with a low roll like that. Fortunately I aimed for a mid-tier spell this time.
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:04 pm

once again, thanks to my boosted Inspiration, I can head over from Temple to the Bank and Monument interchange, finally heading back to my starting point of Holborn. I will then put my final card down face up, which allows me to draw two more cards and spin the Big Wheel.

for those not keeping track, my Cup of Tea has allowed me to visit four separate lines (Central, Circle, District, and Piccadilly) in just two turns without ever having to leave Zone 1. I just have to make my way over to Paddington without leaving Zone 1 sometime in my next three turns (which, again, I still have 3 turns of Inspiration, so that should be no problem), and I can receive a permanent Kind and Polite bonus. now does my decision to get the Cup of Tea so early make sense?

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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:47 pm

Given 72 hours have passed, I can claim Forewithdrawal, thereby stealing 2/3 of the Welsh Coins from the player to my left (sorry RC). This allows me to pay to jump from Holborn to Piccadilly Circus, then on to Elephant & Castle (this is one of my favorite moves, for obvious reasons) all in one turn. The next player is skipped, but is allowed to pay 1 Welsh Coin to me or RC to return to their previous station.

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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:17 pm

I'm not going to make the payment, saving my welsh coins for a reverse ladle
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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:03 pm

Spam & Chocolate to Fresh Peach
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