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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:10 am
by skitter30
HURT: p012 - i want to make it an amendment to p009 once it fails; at that point i'll redefine 'unique' as - cannot have the same title as any existing rules or active proposals.
VOTE: abstain p013
HURT: p014 - i feel like the point of this game is mindless loopholery? like spirit of rules is a little bit vague?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:13 am
by skitter30
oh wait i think p012 passed already, whoops
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:14 am
by Invisibility
HURT: P014
HEAL: T001, P013
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:16 am
by skitter30
P0015: Proposal Withdrawals
A person may withdraw their own proposal if the voting period is still active
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:24 am
by Allomancer
In post 47, Charles510 wrote:Who knows what the spirit of a rule is? The rules should always be followed to the letter, including technical loopholes. Be sure to put the spirit of the rule as part of the text of the rule.
Found the lawyer.
This is why we have Calls for Judgement. That rule can't really be enforced, but it's meant more as a guideline for determining the correct verdict for a CfJ. The spirit is whatever the plurality decides, because that's how CfJs work.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:29 am
by Invisibility
also i made
this template page for anyone who wants to add new proposals to the wiki page.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:56 am
by Allomancer
Yeah, it did. Just make a new proposal to repeal it and add it as an amendment. Remember - if you're not enacting a new rule, you don't need a title.
HEAL: T001, P015
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:10 am
by 2 718281828459
HURT: P011, P013
HEAL: P015
P016: Amend R306 by appending:
If a player ever has 0 or negative hit points they are eliminated.
P017: Amend R306 by appending:
A player may spend 20 reputation to cause another player to lose 1 hit point.
P018: Amend R306 by appending:
A player may spend 25 reputation to cause another player to gain 1 hit point.
P019: If and when this proposal is voted in, all players who voted for it, and never voted against it at any point in time, will receive 50 reputation, and the usual bonuses will NOT apply.
P020: Create a new rule:
Rate-Limiting Proposals: A player may not make more than 5 proposals within the span of 60 minutes. However, withdrawing a proposal causes it to no longer count towards this limit.
(Actually, I would have combined 016-018 into one, but I thought some people may disagree with some things and not others.)
019 is not a rule, it is an effect that happens once and once only.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:13 am
by Allomancer
T002
R101: Authority of Rules
R102: Players
R103: Ability to Change Rules
R104: Editing and Deleting Posts
R105: Dominance of Immutable Rules
R106: Player Votes
R107: Transmutation of Immutable Rules
R108: Transmutation of Mutable Rules
R109: Voting Threshold Definitions
R110: New Rules
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:14 am
by 2 718281828459
Oh yeah. HEAL: T001 and HEAL: T002
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:16 am
by Invisibility
HEAL: P017, P018
HURT: P016
P019 and P020 don't count as real proposals because they don't have titles.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:16 am
by Allomancer
P019 is totally unfair, but I don't want to vote against it for fear of it passing, and it is legal according to the rules. Goddamnit! VOTE: Abstain: P019 till I know what other people are doing.
HURT: P016 What does "eliminated" mean? I'm not a fan of permanently removing players.
HEAL: P017, P018, P020 P020 is a bit generous, but it can't hurt.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:16 am
by Invisibility
HEAL: T002
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:17 am
by Invisibility
In post 61, Allomancer wrote:P019 is totally unfair, but I don't want to vote against it for fear of it passing, and it is legal according to the rules. Goddamnit!
VOTE: Abstain: P019 till I know what other people are doing.
HURT: P016 What does "eliminated" mean? I'm not a fan of permanently removing players.
HEAL: P017, P018, P020 P020 is a bit generous, but it can't hurt.
P019 and P020 lack titles and stuff
does this require a cfj i dont think it should
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:18 am
by Allomancer
In post 60, Invisibility wrote:HEAL: P017, P018
HURT: P016
P019 and P020 don't count as real proposals because they don't have titles.
P020 does have a title: "Rate-Limiting Proposals". P019 doesn't establish a new rule so it doesn't need one... wait a minute...
CfJ001:
There is no provision in the rules for one-time effects. Thus, this CfJ is established to determine the legality of P019.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:20 am
by Invisibility
oh ok i see
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:20 am
by Invisibility
HEAL: P020
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:22 am
by Charles510
P016 - P019 all do not have titles, so they are all invalid.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:23 am
by Allomancer
P021: Rule Violations
Any player found guilty of breaking the rules by verdict of a CfJ shall be penalized 2 Reputation for every broken mutable rule and 5 Reputation for every broken immutable rule.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:23 am
by Allomancer
None are new rules. P016-P018 are amendments, and P019 is a one-time effect - see CfJ001.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:25 am
by Invisibility
CfJ001-V1: One-time events should be in their own section on the wiki page and be numbered E01 and so on. They are still voted on as proposals.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:25 am
by Invisibility
HEAL: P021
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:28 am
by Invisibility
P022
Amend 302 to "Someone is assumed to already be voting for their own proposal or CfJ verdict unless otherwise stated.
and, to make it official
P023: Call for Judgement Abbreviation
In the rules, CfJ stands for Call for Judgement unless otherwise stated
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:28 am
by Allomancer
CfJ001-V2:
As there is no provision in the rules for one-time events, P019 shall be declared null and void. The rationale for this verdict over V1 is that Calls for Judgement should aim to be as unintrusive to the game as possible and are intended to determine the interpretation of the rules. V1 aims to establish a new rule, rather than interpret existing rules.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:29 am
by Allomancer
HURT: P022 Not necessary, look at R304 "Players who propose a verdict assumed to be voting for their own verdict until they vote otherwise."
HEAL: P023