One Night Ultimate Werewolf [Over]

[Korina]

VC 1.0.3

Dayskip (0):

Not Voting (5): Allomancer, Chemist1422, Tatsuya Kaname, BuJaber, PokerFace

You require 3 people to skip the day.

(expired on 2019-04-26 13:35:00) remain.

Please post dayskip votes in thread.

[PokerFace]

@Chem, any idea why you saw 1 players card instead of 2 in the center?

@BJ, so you are saying Allo was never robber. You are saying he started as wolf.

I find this to be more likely since BuJaber did not out Allo in 83 or 85

BUT if Allo did start as wolf, then I still troubled you two. And BuJaber would now be wolf and Allo would be villager

Nope

This is why I hate subbing in

I was hoping you would say something akin to "Dang I guess I didn't realize I could look at 2 in the center" Forget you subbed in, stick to your guns with a fake claim and thus out yourself.

But that doesn't matter, action order suggests BuJaber is wolf, only need to find one wolf. Anything else you all feel we should talk about?

Considering action order

[PokerFace]

that third line should not be there, bad copy paste

[BuJaber]

@Chem, any idea why you saw 1 players card instead of 2 in the center?

@BJ, so you are saying Allo was never robber. You are saying he started as wolf.

I find this to be more likely since BuJaber did not out Allo in 83 or 85

BUT if Allo did start as wolf, then I still troubled you two. And BuJaber would now be wolf and Allo would be villager

Then I can't exactly do anything about that.
Fair game if you want to shoot me.

[Korina]

Allomancer has been prodded.

[Allomancer]

yep, let's shoot bujaber. Even if I were a lying wolf (which I'm not), he'd still be the wolf in the end.
VOTE: Dayskip

[Korina]

Tatsuya Kaname has been prodded.

[Tatsuya Kaname]

VOTE: Dayskip

That's quite the ideal solution, unless PokerFace is the mastermind which he deserves the win.

[PokerFace]

<<staying active

I don't have anything new to say. BuJaber is wolf

Only reason I not voting to skip is I want to give Chem chance to say something if they want to. Otherwise I think we are done here

[Chemist1422]

I got nothing

VOTE: dayskip

[BuJaber]

This happens sometimes in werewolf. What you gonna do.

VOTE: dayskip

[Korina]

Dayskip has been hammered. Please submit who you wish to vote in private now.
(expired on 2019-04-27 09:00:00) remain.

[Korina]

Votes

BuJaber (3): Pokerface, Tatsuya Kaname, Allomancer
Allomancer (2): Chemist1422, BuJaber

BuJaber will be lynched!

[Korina]

You rally together to lynch BuJaber. Now it is the moment of truth to see what he truly was...

Spoiler: BuJaber

Werewolf

One Night Ultimate Werewolf

Welcome BuJaber! You're a Werewolf, and aligned with The Werewolves.

Abilities:
~ Wolfpack: You know StarwingBeauvoi is a Werewolf as well.

Victory Condition:
~ You win if no Werewolves die today.

Please confirm you're ready by telling me who your partner is.

The game is now over, and the Village has won. Post-game discussion may begin.

[Korina]

Game Information

Spoiler: setup

Robber, Werewolf, Villager, Werewolf, Troublemaker with Villager, Hunter and Seer in the middle

Spoiler: role assignment

Robber - Allomancer
Werewolf - StarwingBeauvoi/Chemist1422
Villager - Tatsuya Kaname
Werewolf - Bujabber
Troublemaker - Pokerface

Spoiler: actions

Allomancer robs BuJaber, (Sees new role is Werewolf)
Pokerface troublemakes Allomancer and BuJaber
BuJaber, StarwingBeauvoi/Chemist1422 and Tatsuya Kaname do nothing.

Spoiler: new roles

Robber - Allomancer
Werewolf - StarwingBeauvoi/Chemist1422
Villager - Tatsuya Kaname
Werewolf - Bujabber
Troublemaker - Pokerface

[Korina]

So, I would like to say for the record, I found it hysterical how Allo robbed BuJ, then Pokerface literally undid all of that. That was the greatest part of this game. Literally that.

[BuJaber]

I only checked my pm the one time. I guess I believed my lie because I really thought I was villager.

[PokerFace]

Makes sense^ given your play. GG.

Chemist's claim made me think he was wolf with how 'safe' he made his lie. A solo wolf gets to see a card in the center while two wolves don't. So it makes sense Chem would also be a wolf.

Night actions really controlled the games outcome. Kinda funny that I switched things back to catch BuJaber. I think it would have been funnier if I switched Allo and Starwing/Chemist. Yes, that would result in them both being wolves. BUT neither would have known that for certain or known the other was also a wolf. Allo could have thought he was really a seer and outed chemist. Chemist could have thought he was a villager(tk) and outed Allo. Chaos would have ensued!

[Irrelephant11]

Y’all told too much truth
The correct play for this game is to always start with a lie just in case you’ve been made scum unawares
Then when you figure out you’re probably town you admit your lie and tell the truth

[PokerFace]

That^ is not entirely true if you are the trouble maker. As you can not make yourself wolf or have someone else make you a wolf, you can't change alignment during the game

As the trouble maker the correct play is to claim trouble early and give actions late. If you are not counter claimed or you are confirmed town by other actions, you may lie about your targets. If there is at least 1 claimed robber you should say you switched the robber even if you did not. Say you switched them with the scummiest other player or say who you really switched them with. If done effectively, you should be able to determine if they robbed a wolf during the night. If they robbed a wolf, figure out who currently is wolf and lynch that player. If they did not rob a wolf, then if necessary, tell the truth to find out who really is a wolf and lynch that player.

Now that I have realized this^ I think correct play would have been lying that I switched Allo and Chem. BuJaber's play was fine while Chem's fake claim was scumy. Getting Allo and Chem to out each other would have been correct move. Bujaber 'should' have then corroborated that Chem started as scum and that there were two scum. Once all that info was out in the open, I would not need to say I lied about who I switched. TK and myself would vote Chem. Allo would vote me or chem. Chem would vote me or Allo. Bujaber thinking himself as town would now vote either Allo or Chem. Ideal town play dictates that you should lynch as may players as possible. Killing a town player does not matter as long as you also kill a wolf. 4-2 votes would be on Chem. 2-0 votes would be on me. 2-0 votes would be on allo. Chem would have most votes or tied for most so they would be lynched and town would win.

[Irrelephant11]

As the trouble maker the correct play is to claim trouble early and give actions late.

which is why the correct play for anyone who thinks they might be wolf is to claim troublemaker first

[PokerFace]

I think that^ is only true if you start as wolf

If you start as some town role with an actual power, its better to lie about your actions than to lie about your role

[Irrelephant11]

I guess it depends on the roles included. This run was pretty vanilla. Any of hunter/drunk/mason-with-a-partner should reasonably lie about their role early on, providing both the opportunity to catch a wolf in a 1v1 and the opportunity to avoid being lynched as an unexpected wolf

I also think it depends on group meta - my group is used to everyone claiming quickly, then half of people changing their minds and picking a new claim, then half of those people changing their minds again, and then sometimes wolfs have been outed and sometimes everything is confusing

[PokerFace]

That^ sounds about right

Is the group you play with online or in person? If they are online, you may pm me about it

[BuJaber]

From my experience in real life, troublemaker being handed out is almost a guaranteed town win when the only roles in play are so vanilla like this was.

Spicy things like hunter, minion, the big scary jester, and other roles that interact with the middle make everything much more confusing and wolves can lie a lot more easily.

Of course you need an experienced troublemaker for that to happen, but basically it is incredibly powerful if it isn't in the middle, unless you introduce the more complex roles.

That said player count wildly affects this game also, because it allows for many more combinations.