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Post Post #25  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:30 pm

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Post Post #26  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:27 pm

So how shall we go about mass claim?

Claim in order of which your role acts at night or some other order?
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Post Post #27  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:21 pm

I do not know what I a doing here, why I am doing here, or even who I am doing here. How do we play?
In post 26, PokerFace wrote:So how shall we go about mass claim?

Claim in order of which your role acts at night or some other order?

First question is comprehensible. The second I do not follow.
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Post Post #28  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:30 pm

I'm gonna say I was a villager.
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Post Post #29  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Also calling V/LA until 16th, sorry. Happy Songkran Day!

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Post Post #30  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:08 am

Seer is generally a good one to start. In many games I've played they can give us a werewolf straight away, or confirm a townie.
But if they chose to check the middle then they shouldn't tell us what they saw because they will be able to catch people lying about their claim.
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Post Post #31  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 am

Do we have a role set, mod?
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Post Post #32  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 am

By role set I mean the possible 8 cards in this game.
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Post Post #33  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:26 am

The possible roles are: 2 Villagers, Seer, Robber, Troublemaker, Hunter, 2 Werewolves
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Post Post #34  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:33 pm

StarwingBeauvoi wrote:I do not know what I a doing here, why I am doing here, or even who I am doing here. How do we play?
In post 26, PokerFace wrote:So how shall we go about mass claim?

Claim in order of which your role acts at night or some other order?

First question is comprehensible. The second I do not follow.

Some character actions resolve before other people's actions at night. Everything does not happen at the same time

Based on the outlined roles I believe our action resolution order at night is Seer, then Robber, then Troublemaker. Hunter, villager and werewolves won't claim actions

I was suggesting we go seer, then robber, then trouble BUT if seer checked the center then it better to go robber, trouble, seer. Robber stealing from scum is bad to deal with. Having them claim first to avoid that is often good. Trouble should not go before Robber since Trouble acts after robber during the night and is the main counter to a robber that becomes scum. Trouble can turn them back to town or be used to combo us toward scum.

With all this in mind I think if you are a villager you should claim first. Lock you in to doing nothing so you can't say you are something more useful later like a lying wolf. Then we have robber. Then we have seer or trouble pending if seer saw center or someone else's. Maybe we have seer always go after trouble? Not sure

I don't think hunters should claim at moment, wolves knowing who is hunter is bad. So if you are one of those, I guess you should claim villager. A villager changing their claim to hunter isn't a problem since we will just lynch the hunter anyway. And if they real hunter hopefully they can take the wolf with them to their grave
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Post Post #35  (ISO)  » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:35 pm

By the way just cause i suggested it, does not mean you should out yourself as villager now before everyone can way in on if my plan is the right idea or not.

If my plan is not the right idea then you claiming before we discuss the plan could be bad
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Post Post #36  (ISO)  » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:32 am

Allomancer and StarwingBeauvoi have been prodded.
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Post Post #37  (ISO)  » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:40 am

Hey I'm here. I don't understand why the massclaim order matters.
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Post Post #38  (ISO)  » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:37 pm

It matters for basically the same reason it matters in most games. If town Y can counter or ruin a scumy claim from wolf x, then y should claim after x

Otherwise if x gets to hear y's claim first, then x can adjust their claim so y does not catch x

Trouble can out a fake robber and or a robber that steals from scum, so trouble should claim after robber
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Post Post #39  (ISO)  » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:12 pm

I'm sorry, how does trouble out a fake robber? Trouble doesn't get any info
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Post Post #40  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:21 am

If scum wants to fake claims robber, there's a risk they have to take. Trouble acts after robber. Scum can say they were robber and stole from a player. BUT as trouble acts after that, trouble could have made them a completely different player later on. The guy that thinks he is scum, may actually now be town.

If a real robber steals from scum, thus becomes scum, there's a risk they have to take. Trouble acts after robber. Robber may have become scum, BUT is he still scum? Trouble could have switched the scum back to town.

Trouble maker doesn't give direct info, it gives indirect info. It says where a role has gone, not what a role is. Let's say Adam is a villager. Bob is a robber. Carl is a wolf. Doug is a trouble maker. Eric is the hunter. The robber steals from the wolf during the night. So Bob is now scum. He plays the game to his new win condition. Adam has already claimed villager. So Bob claims robber but lies and says he stole from Adam. Doug claims and says he switched Bob with Eric. Bob now realizes he is no longer scum, he is Eric's role. And Eric became scum. Bob comes forward with this new info. Town lynches Eric for the win.

As things stand someone that started the game as scum or as robber, doesn't truly know what their alignment is right now. They could be anything if the trouble maker switched them. If you don't know what role you are, will you take a big risk or a little risk with your claim? What benefits any player the most is the tell the truth so people can figure out who is what correctly and lynch the right person.

With this in mind do we want to claim role names first in any order? Then claim targets in order of robber, trouble, seer? Or would claim targets in order of robber, seer, trouble be better?
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Post Post #41  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:39 am

I'd like to see names first and we work around from that.

I'm still saying that I WAS a Villager.
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Post Post #42  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:45 am

I was a villager also
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Post Post #43  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:51 am

Thought about things some more. If everyone says only what they are before seer comes forward, its a good thing. (Don't say what you did targetwise last night)

If seer later says they checked a person or they checked the center, what the seer saw could out a liar from the previous name claims.

Something else of note a solo wolf can easily fake seer since a solo wolf gets to see one of the center cards.

With that in mind I think we give names only. Then we go robber, seer, trouble with target info.

In case you could not guess by all my talking. I am the trouble maker.

Me saying my name before we know if there is a seer is good for the town as I can't lie right now about being the trouble maker.

Allomancer and StarwingBeauvoi need to give names only
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Post Post #44  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:52 pm

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Post Post #45  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:58 pm

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Post Post #46  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:58 pm

Just so I can post a VC, even though no one has voted lol
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Post Post #47  (ISO)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:58 pm

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