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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:21 am

3 years ago, Save The Dragons hosted 3-card blind. If you don't know what that is, it's essentially, you submit a magic: the gathering deck of 3 cards, and it's played off against everyone else.

Here are all the rules, but the most important ones are:
  • Matches will be simulated, each match will be run in the most optimal way.
  • Players play with their hands revealed.
  • Each match is played twice, with each player playing first and drawing first.
  • Randomness works in the opponent's favor.
  • Players draw cards but do not lose due to not being able to draw cards.
  • Wins award 3 points, draws award 1 point, and losses award 0 points.
  • Whenever a deck wins a tournament, all non-mana fixing cards in the deck will get banned.
  • The winner of each tournament may unban up to one card that is not in their current deck and hasn't been unbanned before.

Banned decks:
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Decks that can win first turn
Decks that let the opponent discard more than one card per turn
Parody cards from Unglued, Unhinged and Unstable
Non-mass produced cards e.g. 1996 World Champion


Banned cards:
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Abandon Hope
Balance
Barren Glory
Blackmail
Cabal Therapy
Coercion
Form of the Dragon
Ghost Quarter
Glacial Chasm
Leonin Squire
Meddling Mage
Mesmeric Fiend
Nezumi Shortfang
Pulse of the Dross
Restore Balance
Show and Tell
Strip Mine
The Rack
Thoughtseize
Wasteland

Chancellor of the Annex
Icatian Store
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Black Lotus
Laboraty Maniac
Skullwinder


To participate, just send a list to my discord (McMenno#3027), or PM it.
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:12 am

Can there also be some mechanism for unbanning cards? ty.
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 am

Funny how half the banned list is because of Lotus.

I can think of some cards that definitely belong on the initial banned list that aren't there, but they will probably be banned quite quickly anyways so that issue takes care of itself nicely.

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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:31 am

haha most of the decks i've come up with so far were played last time (some of them by me)
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:29 pm

hey, the parody deck unstable isn't banned
Preferred abbreviation: Jumble
current status: hmm, where does this link go to?

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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:09 pm

In post 1, Vijarada wrote:Can there also be some mechanism for unbanning cards? ty.

I'll consider it at some point

NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:hey, the parody deck unstable isn't banned

fixed

you can still submit things until let's say tomorrow for you americans, I'll run the decks against each other then
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:07 pm

Decklists:

Spoiler: McMenno
Aethersnipe
Black Lotus
Black Lotus


Spoiler: Vijarada
Chancellor of the Annex
Icatian Store
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale


Spoiler: Cephrir
Black Lotus
Leyline of Anticipation
Patron Wizard


Spoiler: Save the Dragons
Black Lotus
Black Lotus
Dread


Spoiler: Wrath of Pie
Black Lotus
Chancellor of the Annex
Laboratory Maniac


Spoiler: pantaleon
Dark Ritual
Liliana's Specter
Swamp


Spoiler: entreri
Black Lotus
Sulfuric Vortex
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale


Spoiler: Haschel Cedricson
Eladamri's Vineyard
Megatherium
Treetop Village


Matchups:

Spoiler: McMenno's matchups
Vs. Vijarada

Both times, a black lotus gets countered by the chancellor. Vijarada does the thing with the chancellor.

Result:
LL
McMenno - 0
Vijarada - 6



Vs. Cephrir

Both times, Cephrir flashes in the wizard with leyline on the upkeep and can counter the first black lotus, but the wizard gets bounced by the evoke ability of the aethersnipe.
Result:
DD
Cephrir - 2
McMenno - 2



Vs. Save the Dragons

Both times, both players hold their cards in their hands since the aethersnipe would bounce the dread, and the dread would win against the aethersnipe.

Result:
DD
McMenno - 4
Save the Dragons - 2



Vs. Wrath of Pie

Both times, a black lotus gets countered by the chancellor trigger and the lab maniac either gets bounced by the evoke ability of the aethersnipe or never gets played.

Result:
DD
McMenno - 6
Wrath of Pie - 2


Vs. pantaleon

If McMenno goes first, aethersnipe outraces the specter with damage. If pantaleon goes first, the specter makes McMenno discard a black lotus, and he bounces the specter with the evoke ability.

[b]Result:
WD
McMenno - 10
pantaleon - 1



Vs. entreri

Both times, either the sulfuric vortex gets bounced by the aethersnipe or is never played, and the aethersnipe is killed by the tabernacle effect if it is played.

Result:
DD
McMenno - 12
entreri - 2


Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Whenever something of Haschel's gets bounced, he can replay it. If Haschel attacks with just the megatherium, McMenno is forced to block it or die, and then Haschel can kill him with the village if he blocks.

Result:
LL
Haschel Cedricson - 6
McMenno - 12


Spoiler: Vijarada's matchups
Vs. Cephrir

Both times, the black lotus gets countered by the chancellor, and vijarada then does the thing with the chancellor.

Result:
WW
Cephrir - 2
Vijarada - 12[b]


Vs. Save the Dragons

Both times, a black lotus gets countered by the chancellor, which means STD can't play dread. Then, vijarada does the thing with the chancellor.

[b]Result:
WW
Save the Dragons - 2
Vijarada - 18



Vs. Wrath of Pie

Both times, the black lotus gets countered by the chancellor, and vijarada does the thing with the chancellor.

Result:
WW
Vijarada - 24
Wrath of Pie - 2



Vs. pantaleon

The thing with the chancellor happens.

Result:
WW
pantaleon - 1
Vijarada - 30



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The thing with the chancellor happens.

Result:
WW
Haschel Cedricson - 6
Vijarada - 36


Spoiler: Cephrir's matchups
Vs. Save the Dragons

Cephrir has to hold up patron wizard forever and STD doesn't play into it, so they draw.

[b]Result:
DD
Cephrir - 4
Save the Dragons - 4


Vs. Wrath of Pie

Black lotus gets countered by chancellor, laboratory maniac draws a card.

Result:
LL
Cephrir - 4
Wrath of Pie - 8



Vs. pantaleon

Cephrir has to hold up patron wizard once again.

Result:
DD
Cephrir - 6
pantaleon - 3



Vs. entreri

Wizard dies to tabernacle, and entreri gets to play his spells with impunity..

Result:
LL
Cephrir - 6
entreri - 8


Vs. Haschel Cedricson

You know the thing where Cephrir has to hold up wizard? Yeah.

[b]Result:
DD
Cephrir - 8
Haschel Cedricson - 8


Spoiler: Save the Dragons' matchups
Vs. Wrath of Pie

A black lotus gets countered by chancellor, laboratory maniac draws a card.

[b]Result:
LL
Save the Dragons - 2
Wrath of Pie - 14


Vs. pantaleon

Either dread outraces the specter, or a black lotus gets discarded by the specter and it can attack freely.

Result:
WL
pantaleon - 4
Save the Dragons - 5



Vs. entreri

Dread dies to tabernacle, and STD dies to vortex.

Result:
LL
entreri - 10
Save the Dragons - 5



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Whenever one of Haschel's creatures attacks, it gets destroyed by dread, and dread can attack through Haschel's creatures with fear.

Result:
WW
Haschel Cedricson - 6
Save the Dragons - 11


Spoiler: Wrath of Pie's matchups
Vs. pantaleon

Dark ritual gets countered by chancellor, and laboratory maniac draws a card.

Result:
WW
pantaleon - 4
Wrath of Pie - 20



Vs. entreri

Black lotus gets countered by chancellor, and laboratory dies to tabernacle before it can draw a card.

Result:
DD
entreri - 12
Wrath of Pie - 22



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Vineyard gets countered by chancellor, and laboratory maniac draws a card.

Result:
WW
Haschel Cedricson - 6
Wrath of Pie - 28


Spoiler: pantaleon's matchups
Vs. entreri

Either the specter makes entreri discard black lotus/vortex and then dies to tabernacle, or entreri plays out his hand on turn 1 and wins with vortex.

Result:
DL
entreri - 16
pantaleon - 5



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The specter makes Haschel discard megatherium, but the village outraces the specter.

Result:
LL
Haschel Cedricson - 12
pantaleon - 5


Spoiler: entreri's matchup
Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Treetop village isn't affected by tabernacle, so Haschel kills entreri with it.

Result:
LL
entreri - 16
Haschel Cedricson - 18


Results:

Spoiler: Final Results
Vijarada - 36
Wrath of Pie - 28
entreri - 20
Haschel Cedricson - 20
Save the Dragons - 13
McMenno - 12
Cephrir - 8
pantaleon - 7


Spoiler:
Vijarada has won! Chancellor of the Annex, Icatian Store and Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale have been banned.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:38 pm

I'm amending the rules a bit:

Starting now, all winning cards will get banned, including mana fixing.
The winner of each tournament may unban up to one card that wasn't in their current deck and hasn't been unbanned before.
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:52 pm

Barren Glory has been unbanned by Vijarada.
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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:00 pm

*looks up from nearly finished deck* oh uh i guess i have to beat that now huh
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:50 pm

I look forward to Black Lotus winning the next round, now that its natural predator in Channex is gone.

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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:53 pm

There's still lots of ways to hate on anything played by lotus though.
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:55 pm

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uhhh this sounds good sure
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:57 pm

Just play patron wizard, ez
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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:07 pm

(or liliana's spectre or thalia guardian of thraben)
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:22 pm

Yes, you could also play good cards instead of weird jank.
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm

I made some errors regarding Cephrir's deck, this has been corrected in the final scores.
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:06 pm

Yeah that card can never actually counter a spell to win the game sad.
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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:20 am

it turns out i am not very good at this
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:02 pm

Decklists:

Spoiler: McMenno
Memnite
Memnite
Memnite


Spoiler: Cephrir
Black Lotus
Gideon of the Trials
Pact of Negation


Spoiler: D3f3nd3r
Black Lotus
Chalice of the Void
Master of the Feast


Spoiler: Wrath of Pie
Black Lotus
Skullwinder
Laboratory Maniac


Spoiler: Save the Dragons
Black Lotus
Naturalize
Basking Rootwalla


Spoiler: pantaleon
Black Lotus
Black Lotus
Barren Glory


Spoiler: Haschel Cedricson
Remote Farm
Knight of the Holy Nimbus
Knight of the Holy Nimbus


Spoiler: entreri
Fountain of Cho
Walking Ballista
Path to Exile


Spoiler: Vijarada
Gatekeeper of Malakir
Black Lotus
Inquisition of Kozilek


Spoiler: NotAJumbleOfNumbers
Plains
Plains
Plains


Jumble's deck just loses every time so I'm not going to play those matchups out.

Matchups

Spoiler: McMenno's Matchups
Vs. Cephrir

If McMenno is on the play, he can play three memnites and they can kill Gideon. If he is on the draw, Cephrir can Pact one memnite and can lock down the other with gideon, the other one has to keep attacking Gideon.

Result:
WD
Cephrir - 1
McMenno - 4



Vs. D3f3nd3r

Master of the Feast outraces the Memnites straight up either way.

Result:
LL
D3f3nd3r - 6
McMenno - 4



Vs. Wrath of Pie

Laboratory Maniac draws a card.

Result:
LL
McMenno - 4
Wrath of Pie - 6



Vs. Save the Dragons

Two memnites outrace one rootwalla.

Result:
WW
McMenno - 10
Save the Dragons - 0



Vs. pantaleon

Barren Glory... Exists.

Result:
LL
McMenno - 10
pantaleon - 6



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The knights outrace the memnites.

Result:
LL
Haschel Cedricson - 6
McMenno - 10



Vs. entreri

entreri makes his ballista big enough fast enough to kill off the memnites.

Result:
LL
entreri - 6
McMenno - 10



Vs. Vijarada

The gatekeeper and the two memnites just kind of stare at each other.

Result:
DD
McMenno - 12
Vijarada - 2


Spoiler: Cephrir's Matchups
Vs. D3f3nd3r

On the play, Cephrir puts down Gideon and pacts the lotus. On the draw, he can't play his lotus due to chalice.

Result:
WL
Cephrir - 4
D3f3nd3r - 3



Vs. Wrath of Pie

On the play, Cephrir can pact the lotus. On the draw, he can either emblem Gideon or hold down lab maniac for a turn, but if he emblems Gideon the labman and skullwinder just kill Gideon, and if he ticks up labman draws a card and wins.

Result:
WL
Cephrir - 7
Wrath of Pie - 9



Vs. Save the Dragons

Gideon can lock down the rootwalla until he's big and strong and kills Save the Dragons.

Result:
WW
Cephrir - 13
Save the Dragons - 0


Vs. pantaleon

Barren Glory is ineffective against a Gideon emblem.

Result:
WW
Cephrir - 19
pantaleon - 6



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The knights just kind of kill Gideon.

Result:
LL
Cephrir - 19
Haschel Cedricson - 12



Vs. entreri

Gideon can kill entreri faster than he can make a ballista that's big enough to kill Gideon.

Result:
WW
Cephrir - 25
entreri - 6


Vs. Vijarada

On the play, Cephrir can pact the lotus. On the draw, Vijarada can inquisition Gideon.

[b]Result:
WL
Cephrir - 28
Vijarada - 5


Spoiler: D3f3nder's Matchups
Vs. Wrath of Pie

On the play, D3f3nd3r's chalice causes Wrath's locus to be countered. On the draw, labman draws a card.

Result:
WL
D3f3nd3r - 6
Wrath of Pie - 12



Vs. Save the Dragons

Master of the Feast outraces the rootwalla.

Result:
WW
D3f3nd3r - 12
Save the Dragons - 0



Vs. pantaleon

On the play, chalice exists. On the draw, Barren Glory exists.

Result:
WL
D3f3nd3r - 15
pantaleon - 9[b]


Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The master outraces the knights.

[b]Result:
WW
D3f3nder - 21
Haschel Cedricson - 12



Vs. entreri

Path exiles the master, and ballista has free reign.

Result:
LL
D3f3nd3r - 21
entreri - 12



Vs. Vijarada

Inquisition grabs ballista, and gatekeeper gets exiled.

Result:
DD
D3f3nd34 - 23
Vijarada - 7


Spoiler: Wrath of Pie's Matchups
Vs. Save the Dragons

Labman draws a card.

Result:
WW
Save the Dragons - 0
Wrath of Pie - 18



Vs. pantaleon

Either Barren Glory exists or labman draws a card.

Result:
WW
pantaleon - 12
Wrath of Pie - 21



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Labman draws a card.

Result:
WW
Haschel Cedricson - 12
Wrath of Pie - 27



Vs. entreri

Labman draws a card.

Result:
WW
entreri - 12
Wrath of Pie - 33



Vs. Vijarada

On the play, labman draws a card. On the draw, inquisition discards lotus.

Result:
WL
Vijarada - 10
Wrath of Pie - 36


Spoiler: Save the Dragons' Matchups
Vs. pantaleon

Barren Glory is a valid target for Naturalize. Hooray! pantaleon keeps barren glory in his hand for eternity.

Result:
DD
pantaleon - 12
Save the Dragons - 6



Vs. Haschel Cedricson

The knights outrace the rootwalla.

Result:
LL
Haschel Cedricson - 18
Save the Dragons - 6



Vs. entreri

The rootwalla gets exiled, and ballista can just ping before naturalize resolves.

Result:
LL
entreri - 18
Save the Dragons - 6



Vs. Vijarada

The gatekeeper outraces the rootwalla.

Result:
LL
Save the Dragons - 6
Vijarada - 16


Spoiler: pantaleon's Results
Vs. Haschel Cedricson

Barren Glory exists.

Result:
WW
Haschel Cedricson - 18
pantaleon - 18



Vs. entreri

Barren Glory exists.

Result:
WW
entreri - 18
pantaleon - 24



Vs. Vijarada

On the play, Barren Glory exists. On the draw, inquisition discards a lotus.

Result:
WL
pantaleon - 27
Vijarada - 19


Spoiler: Haschel Cedricson's Matchups
Vs. entreri

The knights kill entreri faster than he can build a ballista that is big enough to take Haschel out.

Result:
WW
entreri - 18
Haschel Cedricson - 24



Vs. Vijarada

Gatekeeper/inquisition takes out a card. On the play, Haschel wins the race. On the draw, they have to stare at each other.

Result:
WD
Haschel Cedricson - 28
Vijarada - 20


Spoiler: entreri's Matchup
Vs. Vijarada

Inquisition discards ballista, and path exiles gatekeeper.

Result:
DD
entreri - 20
Vijarada - 22


Results:

Spoiler: Final Results
Wrath of Pie - 39
D3f3nd3r - 29
Cephrir - 28
Haschel Cedricson - 28
pantaleon - 26
Vijarada - 22
entreri - 20
McMenno - 12
Save the Dragons - 2


Spoiler:
Wrath of Pie has won! Black Lotus, Laboratory Maniac and Skullwinder have been banned.
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 pm

Wrath of Pie may now choose a card to unban.
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:35 pm

I should have 29, you didn’t count the 6 I got from beating you.
Back to school, back to indefinite semi-V/LA. I should still be reachable through normal means though.

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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:52 pm

Submitted to Planeswalker Menno.
Wait, you're telling me "touché" doesn't rhyme with "douche?"

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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:29 am

Unban Leonin Squire so it can be around in the future Lotus round(s).

Was expecting more Artifact Blast/Simian Spirit Guide/Chancellor of the Forge, because that is the explicitly anti-Lotus option without Channex available.

(BTW, not that it matters, but I sweep pantaleon, Skullwinder forces a Black Lotus back into the hand on the draw which keeps Barren Glory from winning. pantaleon also goes DD against Save the Dragons, because they both do nothing to keep the other from winning.)

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:23 pm

[deadline]4 days[/deadline]
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