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Post Post #100  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 am

P001 has been hammered. Updating everything to reflect this post.
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Post Post #101  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:01 am

Excuse me, P001 has failed.

Also added all proposals up to this point adjusted vc, and put in P013.

Sine P003 needs to be unanimous, I'm gonna give Tris (expired on 2019-09-12 09:00:00) to change any minds and then officially declare it dead.
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Post Post #102  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:02 am

Oka, I'm confused on why you are against P025. As far as I can see, all it does is allow players to vote using words other than "yea," "nay," or abstain.
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Post Post #103  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:17 am

I want it clarified that abstaining is an explicit choice

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Post Post #104  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:26 pm

okay question on P003- it lacks the support to amend the two immutable rules, but has enough support to amend the mutable rule- does it like partially take effect? either way it should be resolved soon since everyone has voted on it.

Also not exactly sure who submitted P015- but it wasn't me

VOTE: NO P016
VOTE: YES 023
VOTE: YES 024

I still want a currency, but there were some great recommendations brought up- so I plan to resubmit the bill at a later date with modifications. So my first currency bill should be defeated now
23 and 24 should be passed now with my support as well
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Post Post #105  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:41 pm

VOTE: YES P018

Regarding coalitions, I like the idea, but I would like the rules around them to be a little bit more clearer. Specifically- I think there should be a way to join a coalition after it has already been created and definitely a way to leave the coalition that is defined by our universal rules. Especially if chairs are given some capacity to vote on behalf of their members, the members need to be able to leave as a safeguard to prevent abuse by the chair.
The only other thing I had wondered is if there was a minimum number of people that should be required to join the coalition?

I'm not opposed to 022. I wondered if maybe we should use separate terms for making something immutable v. making something mutable to avoid any confusion though

lastly with regards to 026- 1. wouldn't 022 need to pass BEFORE you use the language 'transmute' in rule proposals? Also there's no rule 208 to transmute on the wiki?
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Post Post #106  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:59 pm

Spoiler: P027
A new fiat currency will be created. It will be named 'Charletons' in honor of representative Charles510. The Charleton Reserve will be established to oversee this currency.

Section A. The Charleton Reserve Oversight
The chair will oversee the distribution of Charletons and track the number of Charletons every player has. Charletons will be tracked through a separate wiki page that is visible to all players. Aronis will serve as the chair. Other positions may be added to aid the Chair at their discretion. The chair is responsible for updating the Charleton wiki page a minimum of once a week and will be responsible for interpreting rules related to the distribution of Charletons.

Section B. Allowances and Salaries
All players in the game will immediately be granted 110 Charletons upon passage of this bill. Anybody that joins the game for the first time following the passage of this bill will be granted a one time boon of 110 Charletons.
A weekly allowance of 26 Charletons will be given to every player provided they vote on one (or more) bills throughout the duration of the week. The weekly allowance will be given out by the Chair to all eligible players within 48 hours of the week ending.
A player will receive an immediate one-time allowance of 1 Charleton for every page top post they make. In the event the player double posted to obtain this page top, they will be ineligible to receive the allowance.
The Chair of the Charleton Reserve will receive a salary of 5 Charletons a week provided they update the Charleton page at least once.
The Game Moderator(s) will receive a salary of 10 Charletons per week provided they make at least one meaningful update to the wiki.
Other allowances and salaried positions may be added through the passage of new rules.
A player may receive multiple allowances/salaries a week as long as they meet the requirements.

Section C. Infractions
Should a player fail to follow a rule, they will be fined 25 Charletons for each infraction.
All rule violations that occurred prior to the passage of this bill cannot be prosecuted.
A player may have an account with negative Charletons due to excessive rule infractions.
Should a player commit a rule infraction during a week, they will be ineligible to receive any allowances and/or salaries.
A rule may increase or decrease the fine for a specific offense by specifying that within the text.

Section D. Usage
Charletons may be transferred to any player in the game by posting an order in bold in the main game thread.


I made numerous amendments to this to make it more attractive and address some of the concerns brought up. I decreased both the starting amount and weekly allowance for charletons and increased the fine. These two actions combined mean that the punishment for fines is approximately 24 times more severe than under the old rule. Also, I modified another rule under infractions. Any rule violation prohibits individuals from earning salaries/allowances that week. So in essence, if you commit a crime, the fine is closer to 50 Charletons, because you won't be allowed to collect a weekly allowance. Lastly, additional rule passages could increase the fine for specific rules as needed. Obviously, there is no way to completely eliminate rule violations via Charletons, but there is definitely more of a discouragement now.

I think this bill covers the basics for currency and is a great starting point. It gives us something to work towards in this game and opens the door to a lot of new opportunities in my eyes. I urge your support.
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Post Post #107  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:41 pm

I am going to /out until I'm back from being V/LA.

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Post Post #108  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:56 pm

P027 is still going to suffer from gradual inflation

printing currency shouldnt be automatic

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Post Post #109  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:45 pm

In post 108, OkaPoka wrote:P027 is still going to suffer from gradual inflation

printing currency shouldnt be automatic

I don't necessarily see why gradual inflation is bad? If you could explain the problem with that, that'd be helpful

If I placed a cap on the amount of currency allowed in circulation, would you support the bill?
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Post Post #110  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:54 pm

yes we would need a cap that could be raised

gradual inflation is bad because there is very little ways to take money out of economy

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Post Post #111  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:58 am

are you guys accepting roaming nomads into your society?
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Post Post #112  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:36 pm

In post 111, Formerfish wrote:are you guys accepting roaming nomads into your society?

Yes
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Post Post #113  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:38 pm

/in

I thank you for your hospitality, i have been wandering the winderness for many moons. Do you have a shitpit i can squat over? It has been crazy out there.
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Post Post #114  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:44 pm

VOTE: P007 Nay

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Post Post #115  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:45 pm

VOTE: P008 Yea

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Post Post #116  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:46 pm

VOTE: P009 Nay

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Post Post #117  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:47 pm

VOTE: P010 Yea

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Post Post #118  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:57 pm

we need to start limiting the number of active bills on the floor i think

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Post Post #119  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:58 pm

I read up to now, but got lost with all the bills.
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Post Post #120  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:46 pm

In post 118, OkaPoka wrote:we need to start limiting the number of active bills on the floor i think

I agree

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Post Post #121  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:52 pm

We can start using abstains as a non vote to majority voting once we have a cap on active bills.

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Post Post #122  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:08 pm

HURT: p019

HURT: p020
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Post Post #123  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:11 pm

In post 106, Aronis wrote:Other positions may be added to aid the Chair at their discretion.


@aronis i'm not sure i like this part of your currency proposition
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Post Post #124  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:17 pm

p028

A player is considered to be 'abstaining' on a proposition if they are not voting on it 48 hours after the most recent vote on the proposition has been cast. A player who is abstaining on a proposition will be considered to be voting 'no' on it.

^ maybe kinda clunky but i'm thinkign something like this will kill bills that nobody has strong opinions on / don't have enough votes to pass

thoughts?
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