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Post Post #1450  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:52 am

Hm. Thats false.

I'll change to 'nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a final digit of any triangular number'.

You'll notice that there are no triangular numbers that start with 2,4,7 or 9.
eq.t nonprimes which the first digit from left is 1.3.5.6 or 8
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Post Post #1451  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:23 am

Can we institute a new rule where I have to understand what’s going on?
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Post Post #1452  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:51 pm

I'd object to that, because it would imply that I'd have to understand what's going on too, and my understanding of the meta-rule isn't as firm as I'd like.

Like, take your bingo. Numbers containing a 1. I can turn that into a meta-rule: "Numbers containing a specific single digit." But I'm not sure where exactly the dividing line is between "cases where there's a meta-rule" and "cases where there isn't."

I also have no idea how to prove that a given bingo falls foul (or doesn't) of the meta-rule clause; all I know how to do is experimental "proof" (generate hands of numbers and see how many are a match - which proves nothing; if you flip a coin three times and it comes up heads three times, that doesn't prove the coin's rigged). And I can't do that very fast with my current understanding of spreadsheets, so trying to do it 64 times is a major headache.
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Post Post #1453  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:11 pm

In post 1450, Sirius9121 wrote:Hm. Thats false.

I'll change to 'nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a final digit of any triangular number'.

You'll notice that there are no triangular numbers that start with 2,4,7 or 9.
eq.t nonprimes which the first digit from left is 1.3.5.6 or 8


I think this might still be too overengineered: is "nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a, b, c, d, or e" going to generate a bingo with more than 1/64 of hands?
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Post Post #1454  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:15 pm

In post 1452, Farren wrote:I'd object to that, because it would imply that I'd have to understand what's going on too, and my understanding of the meta-rule isn't as firm as I'd like.

Like, take your bingo. Numbers containing a 1. I can turn that into a meta-rule: "Numbers containing a specific single digit." But I'm not sure where exactly the dividing line is between "cases where there's a meta-rule" and "cases where there isn't."

I also have no idea how to prove that a given bingo falls foul (or doesn't) of the meta-rule clause; all I know how to do is experimental "proof" (generate hands of numbers and see how many are a match - which proves nothing; if you flip a coin three times and it comes up heads three times, that doesn't prove the coin's rigged). And I can't do that very fast with my current understanding of spreadsheets, so trying to do it 64 times is a major headache.


The simpler the bingo is, the more likely it fits the rules. For example "all the cards are even" or "is divisible by 3 with 1 left over" are acceptable bingos, and the meta rule in this case is "Are any of my cards divisible by 2? Divisible by 2 with 1 left over? Divisible by 3? Divisible by 3 with 1 left over? Divisible by 3 with 2 left over? Divisible by 5? ..."

If your method of generating bingos is "glance at my hand and notice something really obvious, like all of the numbers are prime" then that's always going to be allowed as long as less than half of the numbers below 100 have this property. (nonprime by itself is way more than 50 so that wouldn't work).

If you're playing without a spreadsheet, then you will never run afoul of the meta rule.


but if you're curious, the way you work out it without trying all the options is through a branch of mathematics called Combinatorics. It's pretty fun, especially early on when the problems are less hairy, but it's also pretty easy to make mistakes and real life combinatorics problems can get pretty ugly
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Post Post #1455  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:23 pm

This site is aimed at teenagers and has questionable color scheme choices but it has some worked examples for learning the fun parts of Combinatorics https://www.coolmath.com/algebra/20-combinatorics
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Post Post #1456  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:35 pm

In post 1453, Plotinus wrote:I think this might still be too overengineered: is "nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a, b, c, d, or e" going to generate a bingo with more than 1/64 of hands?


I improved my spreadsheet game. Generated a fresh 64 hands. Checked them against both meta-rules.

13/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes" category.
7/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes with 3 or more digits missing" category.
6/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes where the leftmost digits are A/B/C/D/E" category, with a few A/B/C/Ds and a few A/B/C/D/E/Fs.

Then did it again.

8/64: no duplicates/no primes.
4/64: no duplicates/no primes/3+ missing digits.
4/64: no duplicates/no primes/A-B-C-D-E starting digits.

I'd say that second one is probably a no as well.
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Post Post #1457  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:03 pm

But is it that easy to find a common thing of 5 numbers without it also being applicable to the other four?
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Post Post #1458  (ISO)  » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 pm

Is this game still going on?
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Post Post #1459  (ISO)  » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:27 pm

Plotinus hasn't posted anything anywhere on-site since November 7th.

If and when he comes back ... probably?

Only alternative I can see to waiting or abandoning would be trying to find a back-up mod with the mathematical savvy to be able to run the game, and I'm not sure if that's something we can do without Plotinus?
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Post Post #1460  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:35 am

Technically I have the math abilities...

If yall can’t find a game mod I can help mod the game and get someone to sub for my slot...?
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Post Post #1461  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:53 am

Or someone suggest a suitable gamemod
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Post Post #1462  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:11 pm

I’ll assume this game is abandoned?
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Post Post #1463  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:55 am

At this point I'd assume yes. Only half of the players responded the last time it was bumped.

Hope Plotinus is okay. :(
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Post Post #1464  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:00 am

Was fun playing with y'all.
Hope Plotinus is well.
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Post Post #1465  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:44 pm

If ploti comes back we can pick it back up
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Post Post #1466  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Good idea :)
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Post Post #1467  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:57 pm

He’s fine but I haven’t asked him about the game.
Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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