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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:17 pm

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In post 922, Sirius9121 wrote:ok
third bingo approval:

In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)
I think this meets all the criteria. Does anyone have any objections to this bingo in particular?


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More broadly, assuming sirius tries to get a bingo every turn for the rest of the game, is this going to impact everybody's enjoyment of the game and what can we do to ensure that everybody has a good time? I think in future games, bingos should be worth fewer points, to start with.

It's also important to me that we be welcoming to any players who are prone to being intimidated by math. Math at any level, whether you're trying to learn how to multiply or trying to prove the twin prime conjecture, can feel a lot like this:

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I want to encourage everyone to play with numbers and draw connections between them, however silly and spurious.

I want it to be safe to draw owls that look like

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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:28 am

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I approve of the base 8 one.
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:12 am

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It does apply to 40% of the numbers in this game which is close to our 50%, but sure.

And yes, IMO watching Sirius play solitaire all game will get unfun very quickly if it hasn’t already.
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:25 am

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Don't worry, getting pairs of numbers will stop my fun... unfortunately
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:34 am

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I don't mind it but I think Nancy Drew should get to actually play if she wants to.
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:36 am

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In post 925, Plotinus wrote:
In post 922, Sirius9121 wrote:ok
third bingo approval:

In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)
I think this meets all the criteria. Does anyone have any objections to this bingo in particular?
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:40 am

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In post 929, Errantparabola wrote:I don't mind it but I think Nancy Drew should get to actually play if she wants to.
I would love to but without an extension, I was no where near figuring out a solve before deadline, unfortunately. :/. So, I’m hoping I get a clue before next round. I honestly didn’t expect this be this hard. I’ve figured out like a gazillion IQ tests with nulbered sequences, so I don’t understand why I’m struggling so much with this game.
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:43 am

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I agree that bingos now seem to be overemphasized and should be worth fewer points so the game isn’t entirely trying to find bingos at the cost of the spirit of the game. (not currently a player, just my two cents)
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:53 am

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In post 925, Plotinus wrote:
In post 922, Sirius9121 wrote:ok
third bingo approval:

In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)
I think this meets all the criteria. Does anyone have any objections to this bingo in particular?


--

More broadly, assuming sirius tries to get a bingo every turn for the rest of the game, is this going to impact everybody's enjoyment of the game and what can we do to ensure that everybody has a good time? I think in future games, bingos should be worth fewer points, to start with.

It's also important to me that we be welcoming to any players who are prone to being intimidated by math. Math at any level, whether you're trying to learn how to multiply or trying to prove the twin prime conjecture, can feel a lot like this:

Image

I want to encourage everyone to play with numbers and draw connections between them, however silly and spurious.

I want it to be safe to draw owls that look like

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I'm willing to do the following measures to keep the game fun:
Bingos are worth 10 points for (me only), not including ones I submit for teammates, however if someone has more points than my team I get 14 instead of 10.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:38 am

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In post 932, lilith2013 wrote:I agree that bingos now seem to be overemphasized and should be worth fewer points so the game isn’t entirely trying to find bingos at the cost of the spirit of the game. (not currently a player, just my two cents)
If you have any advice for me on how to play this, I’m absolutely desperate and will 100% listen. :lol:
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:22 am

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Spoiler: completed sequences
  • [24, 2, 43, 15, 256, 4, 20] at least half of the digits of n2 - 1 are the same number and this repeating number is a number that is shown on the middle or right hand side of a keypad
  • [6, 10, 120, 750, 9, 30, 1000] {
    n = 2
    i
    × 3
    j
    × 5
    k
    for some non-negative integers
    i
    ,
    j
    ,
    k
    } 5-smooth numbers
  • [46, 59, 164, 89, 61, 104, 106] In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)


Haversine: vincentw, ErrantParabola: 7 points
  • [9, 73, 90] numbers that, when written in English, have its most common letter represent at least one third of all the letters in the name
Exsecant: Sirius9121, Nancy Drew 39: 24 points
Chord: StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r: 0 points
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Sirius' bingos are now worth 10 points (unless his team falls behind in points). I was also thinking 10 points would be better than 14 for bingos across the board but letting him play with a handicap seems like okay. I do think that if he makes a bingo with Nancy's cards then that counts as him making a bingo for handicap purposes. If Nancy makes a bingo on her own it'll be 14 points.

Other options (for this or future games):
  • Diminishing returns: A player's first bingo is worth 10, the second 9, the third 8, and all the other bingos are worth 7
  • Clarifying the over-engineering part of the rules: A sequence is a set of numbers that have a single unifying coherent concept in common. [more words here]
    • Can't words this right now but:
    • in Python: [x
      for
      x
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      if
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    • yes: [x
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      # fibonacci numbers equivalent to 3 or 4 mod 5

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      for
      x
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      if
      x %
      5
      =
      2
      or
      sum
      ([
      int
      (y)
      for
      y
      in
      str
      (x)])
      in
      primes]
      # fibonacci numbers that are either equivalent to 3 or 4 mod 5
      OR
      who digit sums are prime
      :
    • yes: f(g(x))
      # evaluate some function on this number and then plug that result into some other function

    • no: f(g(h(f(x))))
      # evaluate some function, plug the result into another function, then plug the result into another function and then plug it back into the first function
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:28 am

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In post 934, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 932, lilith2013 wrote:I agree that bingos now seem to be overemphasized and should be worth fewer points so the game isn’t entirely trying to find bingos at the cost of the spirit of the game. (not currently a player, just my two cents)
If you have any advice for me on how to play this, I’m absolutely desperate and will 100% listen. :lol:
Please ask questions! It sounds like you're struggling figuring out how to get started but there are no stupid questions.
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:42 am

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I wanted to keep things moving so that's why it's D3f3nd3r's turn now but Sirius did submit a valid non bingo move in case it wasn't accepted. So we can easily roll things back if there's a valid objection before 24 hours has passed since it was proposed.
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:15 am

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Keep up Haversine’s idea by playing
8, 10, and 40 as “numbers that, when spelled normally in English, have no duplicated letters
(ie. the number 1,000,000 wouldn’t count due to both the “N” and the “L”).
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:05 pm

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@Plotinus:
Idea:
Consider a scale of 'highest point score' and 'lowest point score' on 0 - 100
If you are on the 0 - 25th percentile, you score 14.
.... 25 - 75, you score 12.
.... 75 - 100, you score 10.

example for now:
7:24:0
so 24 = 100x + 0

7 is on the 29th percentile on 0 to 24, so they get 12 points per bingo.
24 is on the 100th percentile on 0 to 24, so they get 10 points per bingo.
0 is on the ... 0th percentile on 0 to 24, so they get 14 points per bingo.
But the point count is for the moment they submitted the bingo, so our team's first bingo would be worth... 0 is on the undefined percentile?
So imo the first bingo would be 14 points

this bingo would be worth 10 points
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:13 pm

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Wait I should have used 7:14:0
nvm we still get 10 points
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 pm

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If a deck expansion will be needed, I suggest that all numbers in the photo below be added at least once:
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:11 am

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Spoiler: completed sequences
  • [24, 2, 43, 15, 256, 4, 20] at least half of the digits of n2 - 1 are the same number and this repeating number is a number that is shown on the middle or right hand side of a keypad
  • [6, 10, 120, 750, 9, 30, 1000] {
    n = 2
    i
    × 3
    j
    × 5
    k
    for some non-negative integers
    i
    ,
    j
    ,
    k
    } 5-smooth numbers
  • [46, 59, 164, 89, 61, 104, 106] In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)


Haversine: vincentw, ErrantParabola: 7 points
  • [9, 73, 90] numbers that, when written in English, have its most common letter represent at least one third of all the letters in the name
Exsecant: Sirius9121, Nancy Drew 39: 24 points
Chord: StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r: 0 points
  • [8, 10, 40] numbers that, when spelled normally in English, have no duplicated letters
It is
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Working out percentiles every turn would take a lot more time than I have, but you're welcome to explore that as a scoring option in solitaire play or games you moderate.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:33 pm

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Prodded vincentw. Remember, your turn starts as soon as the last person goes, not when I update the game.

Also I'm rethinking the "leftmost card to the topmost sequence" rule for automoving: this generates a slight bias towards adding to whichever sequences Haversine has contributed to. I'm not sure if this really matters but what if we imagine "topmost" as being the topmost sequence starting with your team and continuing around in a loop (so no change, if it comes up for vincent, but if it happens to Sirius then the first sequence I'd look at is the first one in their currently empty pile and then I'd look at the sequence(s) in Chord's pile, etc.)
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:52 pm

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Apologies, between the whole discussion I didn't realise it's already my turn. I feel like I'm at least a little bit responsible for bringing up the bingo rule at the end of the last game. Seems like the balance has gone the other way. I'm not sure how to proceed, but the "what counts as a sequence" rule seems good probably.

The top-most sequence would work better like in Plot's post, yeah.

Don't have much of a good idea for my turn, I guess I'll just add 7 to my sequence.
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:47 pm

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Spoiler: completed sequences
  • [24, 2, 43, 15, 256, 4, 20] at least half of the digits of n2 - 1 are the same number and this repeating number is a number that is shown on the middle or right hand side of a keypad
  • [6, 10, 120, 750, 9, 30, 1000] {
    n = 2
    i
    × 3
    j
    × 5
    k
    for some non-negative integers
    i
    ,
    j
    ,
    k
    } 5-smooth numbers
  • [46, 59, 164, 89, 61, 104, 106] In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)


Haversine: vincentw, ErrantParabola: 7 points
  • [9, 73, 90, 7] numbers that, when written in English, have its most common letter represent at least one third of all the letters in the name
Exsecant: Sirius9121, Nancy Drew 39: 24 points
Chord: StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r: 0 points
  • [8, 10, 40] numbers that, when spelled normally in English, have no duplicated letters
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:01 pm

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Play 1, 8, 9 as single-digit numbers.
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Spoiler: completed sequences
  • [24, 2, 43, 15, 256, 4, 20] at least half of the digits of n2 - 1 are the same number and this repeating number is a number that is shown on the middle or right hand side of a keypad
  • [6, 10, 120, 750, 9, 30, 1000] {
    n = 2
    i
    × 3
    j
    × 5
    k
    for some non-negative integers
    i
    ,
    j
    ,
    k
    } 5-smooth numbers
  • [46, 59, 164, 89, 61, 104, 106] In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)


Haversine: vincentw, ErrantParabola: 7 points
  • [9, 73, 90, 7] numbers that, when written in English, have its most common letter represent at least one third of all the letters in the name
Exsecant: Sirius9121, Nancy Drew 39: 24 points
  • [1, 8, 9] {
    n < 10
    } single digit numbers
Chord: StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r: 0 points
  • [8, 10, 40] numbers that, when spelled normally in English, have no duplicated letters
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10, 20, 200: Numbers with only one nonzero digit
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:56 pm

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Spoiler: completed sequences
  • [24, 2, 43, 15, 256, 4, 20] at least half of the digits of n2 - 1 are the same number and this repeating number is a number that is shown on the middle or right hand side of a keypad
  • [6, 10, 120, 750, 9, 30, 1000] {
    n = 2
    i
    × 3
    j
    × 5
    k
    for some non-negative integers
    i
    ,
    j
    ,
    k
    } 5-smooth numbers
  • [46, 59, 164, 89, 61, 104, 106] In base 8, at least 50% of the numbers are a same repeating digit and the repeating digit is a square of any non-negative integer (0,1,4)


Haversine: vincentw, ErrantParabola: 7 points
  • [9, 73, 90, 7] numbers that, when written in English, have its most common letter represent at least one third of all the letters in the name
Exsecant: Sirius9121, Nancy Drew 39: 24 points
  • [1, 8, 9] {
    n < 10
    } single digit numbers
Chord: StrangerCoug, D3f3nd3r: 0 points
  • [8, 10, 40] numbers that, when spelled normally in English, have no duplicated letters
  • [10, 20, 200] Numbers with only one nonzero digit
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