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Post Post #875  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:46 pm

i guess you could argue that it adds another layer of strategy since certain kickers will be more valuable than others.
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Post Post #876  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:58 pm

It’s probably more relevant at lower lengths. Makes kicking a 19 yard field goal somewhat less valuable than a 39 yard one whereas right now they’re the same value.
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Post Post #877  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:11 pm

Can't say I like or dislike the kicking suggestion. I see good and bad things there. Anything that makes kicking more interesting is worth considering but every fieldgoal should be at least 3 points imo
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Post Post #878  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:15 pm

So can we do a 1pt per field goal plus yards * 0.1?

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Post Post #879  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:36 pm

I’m pretty sure there hasn’t been a miss of a sub-20 field goal in the regular season (looking at you, Blair) in years. They’re truly automatic...no need to give them three points...
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Post Post #880  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:23 am

making FGs all 3 points would prob be the fairest thing, no?
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Post Post #881  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:40 am

I like 0-30 yards being 3 points. I am okay with an extra point getting added for each additional set of 10 yards or 0.01 per yard. That's all I am okay with there

Also about the ppr vs pprfd discussion, I didn't understand some parts of panzers argument, I think I get it now. In some ways pprfd can be arbitrary and favor some player rather than others for their catch. Like a guy can get 9 yards on a pass, and the next guys gets 1 yard. This results in 0.9 to one guys and 1.1 to another given who got the first down. But who really did the work? Meanwhile in 0.5 ppr its 1.4 vs 0.6. I think that's a much more fair representation.

So even though there is a flaw of catching the ball for a loss of less than 5 yards giving you 0.1-0.4 points, I think I'd rather we do 0.5 ppr. Also let's face it 0.5 is standard on many fantasy sites while pprfd is standard no where. pprfd is a good idea but I don't think we should make it a staple of our official mafia scum league when its not standard anywhere

So I still plan to get final results for my league comparisons, but ultimately I think this data and my opinion isn't going to change further
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Post Post #882  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 am

Setting aside my suggestion, I would definitely prefer the current system (or a 1/2/3/4/5 system) to making all FGs 3 points. 50+ yard FGs are the secret lifeblood of interesting fantasy football matchups.
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Post Post #883  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:38 am

To be clear, if my suggestion doesn't take, I'm totally fine with that. I don't think kickers are broken or that this alternate scoring system is objectively superior or anything like that; that scoring system was merely more fun and interesting to me than the default one, and I figured the worst that would happen if I suggested it here would be that it got shot down and we'd all move on.
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Post Post #884  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:11 am

I do think your idea can be fun. Anything fun should be considered. I just don't like the idea of a FG being less than 3 points. It can be more in many ways, but I don't want it to be less.
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Post Post #885  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:49 am

In post 870, Kublai Khan wrote:Aren't the projections based on the expectations that no changes will be made through the entire season? (no adding/dropping, no benching players, etc.)

In post 871, T-Bone wrote:They are based on yahoo's draft grades

In post 872, PokerFace wrote:Yay I thought that too, but looking at given projections and current draft grades it seems things have changed for not just Joe and Myself in terms of the projections. So not sure whats going on there since it must not be based on just draft grade. Regardless they are quite far off for the actual results on some people so I feel its still worth noting


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Hmm look like yahoo regrades your draft per the end of the season. I guess James Robinson and other waiver wire pickups I got did very well for me. Getting good value out of waiver very possible thing for anyone. Also I feel like final value should be all that matters. A Superbowl winner should not get a season grade less than A

Joe for example started the season out on a losing streak and turned it around quite well going on a playoff run. Some people said its impossible for someone to go from last to first with rolling waiver wire. Yes, Flamaxe had issues but a previous 10th player in Joe managed to pull it out and make 4th overall in the end. So Rolling can still work if you play it right. I still plan to introduce my new system in my espn league and will let you know how combining rolling with standing and a points based system works. I think the test experience my buds and I are going to run should be very interesting next year.
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Post Post #886  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:51 pm

Something else fun my friends are trying. Something we are calling the week 17 sixty nine. Whoever is closest to 69 points for week 17 without any outs in their lineup gets first pick in next years draft. Next closest gets second and so. Should be interesting to see where i end up
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Post Post #887  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:35 pm

In post 886, PokerFace wrote:Something else fun my friends are trying. Something we are calling the week 17 sixty nine. Whoever is closest to 69 points for week 17 without any outs in their lineup gets first pick in next years draft. Next closest gets second and so. Should be interesting to see where i end up


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Post Post #888  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:00 pm

Did not do as well as I wanted. Many early choices did not pay out well this year, so may be that trend will continue next year

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Post Post #889  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 am

Earlier D3f3nd3r brought up that the NFL may increase to 18 weak season. Here are possible easy solutions I have come to

For any league with 12 teams, keep the 14 week season with 3 divisions of 4 teams. And now make 6 teams being in the playoffs so 3 weeks of playoffs to utilize the extra game. Playoffs in real NFL just increased to 7 seeds in the 16 teams conference. That's almost half. And there used to be 6 in real NFL anyway. So why not have us expand to 6 to utilize the 17th week in a NFL 18 week season?

For any league with 10 teams, we need to think of something here that is fair. Suggestions?

For any league with 8 teams, ha ha ha. Why did you join a league this small. Go full lmao and have all 8 teams make playoffs so 3 weeks of playoffs that will utilize the extra week that way.
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Post Post #890  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:14 pm

im not seeing why the nfl adding an extra week is something to be worried about?

it just means that the playoffs would be anywhere from 15-17 instead of 14-16

it would have an impact on the schedule but I don't think that's anything BIG. Like say we adopt a 3 goes to the playoffs then that would mean you play your division opponents twice and then out of division once assuming 12 teams 3 divisions.


in a 10 teamer with 2 divisions, you'd play your division twice each, OOD once, and a rando game.

For an 8 team, you just play everyone twice with a 3-week playoff.
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Post Post #891  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:33 pm

ok so you agree my simple solution for 12 teams and 8 teams is fine?

and you think 10 teams where we get a random extra game is not a big deal?

I would not say its a big deal, but 1 random extra game feels weird. We might as well commit to not having divisions at all there and just have a standard 10 team league with no divisions and no common schedule
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Post Post #892  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:35 pm

Honestly I wouldn't mind just skipping Week 1 or something
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Post Post #893  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:08 pm

i mean, it just numerically works out in 12 or 8 players. I can certainly understand why some of you uphold the belief that it's only fair if you play the same people the same number of times but I don't feel like 1 rando game is really that "unfair"

in a 10 player, you'll have 9 opponents and either 14 or 15 weeks depending on playoffs so we can't play everyone twice, and if we played everyone once then we are still left with 5 games. I mean, I just can't think of anything really good unless we did something real funky like 5 divisions of 2 and you play your division opponent four times and each other division once.
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Post Post #894  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:55 pm

I think longer field goals should be worth more points. Otherwise what's the point of rostering kickers if they are all the same?
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Post Post #895  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:16 pm

Ok so you do agree with my ideas for 12 and 8, Nero. I was making sure with part of that last post

For 10 would anyone besides me like us to do no divisions , random schedules, with top 4 in playoffs? (As I won't be in the 10 person league next year, I should not be only person to weigh in on this idea)

Looking at Bone's last post, I thought we did have longer fgs like 50yarders worth 5, 40's worth 4 and the shorter ones worth 3. If I am wrong and we are not already doing that, then adopting the latest Yahoo standard on kicking should also be done just like how most of us want some ppr mechanic next year. (I have settled on preferring the latest default of 0.5 per receptions scheme there myself)
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Post Post #896  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:27 pm

Nevermind this post. I put something in a different thread
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