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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:15 am

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Dice at end of turn
KEPTLOST
PURPLE 2
ORANGE 1
GREEN 3
YELLOW 1
WHITE 4
BLUE 2


Everyone EXCEPT NotAJumbleOfNumbers now gets to score a LOST die.

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Spoiler: Yellow
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5
ORANGE 4
X
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2
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GREEN X
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bonus
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:22 am

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Nancy Drew 39R TOKENs: 1
S TOKENs: 0

Spoiler: Yellow
10 pts14 pts16 pts20 ptsRow Bonus
3
6
5
X
BLUE X
2
1
X
5
ORANGE 4
1
X
2
4
GREEN X
X
3
4
X
FOX
Diag
onal
bonus
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Spoiler: Blue
R TOKEN
GREEN X
PURPLE 6
S TOKENRow Bonus
X
2
3
4
ORANGE 5
5
6
7
8
YELLOW X
9
10
11
12
FOX


#s Xd out
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
Points
1
2
4
7
11
16
22
29
37
46
56

Spoiler: Green
Die value >=
1
2
3
4
5
1
2
3
4
5
6
Bonus
(NONE)
(NONE)
(NONE)
S TOKEN
(NONE)
BLUE X
FOX
(NONE)
PURPLE 6
R TOKEN
(NONE)
Points
1
3
6
10
15
21
28
36
45
55
66

Spoiler: Orange
Slot:
Bonus:
(NONE)
(NONE)
R TOKEN
x2
YELLOW X
S TOKEN
x2
FOX
x2
PURPLE 6
x3

Spoiler: Purple
Slot:
Bonus:
(NONE)
(NONE)
R TOKEN
BLUE X
S TOKEN
YELLOW X
FOX
R TOKEN
GREEN X
ORANGE 6
S TOKEN

Sirius9121R TOKENs: 1
S TOKENs: 0

Spoiler: Yellow
10 pts14 pts16 pts20 ptsRow Bonus
3
6
5
X
BLUE X
2
1
X
5
ORANGE 4
1
X
2
4
GREEN X
X
3
4
X
FOX
Diag
onal
bonus
==>
S TOKEN

Spoiler: Blue
R TOKEN
GREEN X
PURPLE 6
S TOKENRow Bonus
X
2
3
4
ORANGE 5
5
6
7
8
YELLOW X
9
10
11
12
FOX


#s Xd out
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
Points
1
2
4
7
11
16
22
29
37
46
56

Spoiler: Green
Die value >=
1
2
3
4
5
1
2
3
4
5
6
Bonus
(NONE)
(NONE)
(NONE)
S TOKEN
(NONE)
BLUE X
FOX
(NONE)
PURPLE 6
R TOKEN
(NONE)
Points
1
3
6
10
15
21
28
36
45
55
66

Spoiler: Orange
Slot:
Bonus:
(NONE)
(NONE)
R TOKEN
x2
YELLOW X
S TOKEN
x2
FOX
x2
PURPLE 6
x3

Spoiler: Purple
Slot:
Bonus:
(NONE)
(NONE)
R TOKEN
BLUE X
S TOKEN
YELLOW X
FOX
R TOKEN
GREEN X
ORANGE 6
S TOKEN
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:24 am

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I still have no idea what to do yet.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:00 am

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You've got another opportunity to score a LOST die; this time you're picking between Orange 1, Yellow 1, Blue 2.

If you score the Orange 1: you'll gain 1 point. You'll also open up the next slot in Orange - which doesn't do anything special either, but it's progress towards the slots that hand out bonuses when you score them (starting with the 3rd slot).

If you score the Yellow 1: you'll have to pick a column, just like last time. 1s are in Column 1 (10 points, 3/2/1 needed to score) and Column 2 (14 points, 6/1/3 needed to score), so you'd have to decide which of those two you'd want to work towards. You're already working on Column 4 (5/4 needed to score) but Yellow isn't a 5 or a 4, so you can't make any progress there this turn. Column 2's one is also part of the diagonal (3/1/2 left to claim the bonus).

If you score the Blue 2: you'll mark off the 6 in the Blue grid. (White is 4; 4+2=6.) Same basic idea as last round; just a different die marked off. It'd be worth 1 point, and would be progress towards bigger and better things later in Blue.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:35 am

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So, I’m getting I should choose between orange 1 and blue 2 this time. Is blue 2 better?
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:11 am

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It's a matter of opinion as to which is better.

Both of them equate to 1 point right now. Orange is 1 point specifically because the die is a 1; Blue is 1 point because Blue is always 1 point the first time you score it, no matter what you score it with.

Orange has more bonus potential and more total scoring potential - but Orange also needs high valued dice to have that scoring potential; Blue needs variety. Plus some of Orange's bonuses are multipliers - which get even more benefit from high-valued dice.

Orange is flexible - it can always be scored unless you run out of slots. With Blue, each possible 2d6 result (2-12) can only be scored once, and some numbers are harder to get than others.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:18 pm

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yellow 2nd row 2nd column 1
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:36 pm

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Sirius9121 scores the Yellow 1 (2nd column).

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BLUE X
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:14 pm

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You should play the link that Not a Jumble of Numbers posted. It's really helpful for getting a feel for the game.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 31, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:If you want to practice, there's this 1-player game that you can play online: https://www.schmidtspiele.de/static/onl ... en-clever/
Note that as there are no other players, the "everyone else's turn" part is replaced by rolling all 6 dice and keeping the lowest 3 as usable, and there are 6 rounds instead of 4.
I gave it a shot myself. It shows the entire scorecard and highlights exactly what's legal to take on a given roll. It's in German, but it's mostly language independent, other than the button for Roll. The dice are all the same; the "three arrows pointing at each other in a circle" icon represents R TOKENs; the "+1" button represents S TOKENs. (I renamed them for here - the R TOKEN as it's a lot easier to type than "three arrows pointing at each other in a circle TOKEN" and the S TOKEN to keep its style consistent with the R TOKEN.)

The silver platter is where LOST dice are stored; the three spaces to the side of the platter are where the KEPT dice are scored.

One other difference in the 1-player game: in the 1-player game, you can't use the S TOKENs / +1s on your "opponent's" KEPT dice. (Normally, that's legal.)
Edit> Coulda sworn the rules said this, and when I tried it once, it didn't work ... but now it is letting me do it. Doesn't matter for purposes of this game, though.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:49 pm

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I’m pretty sure that’s still allowed in the 1p game?
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:53 pm

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Either my memory is shot or I was looking at a bad translation. One of the two.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:46 pm

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In post 57, Farren wrote:Sirius9121 scores the Yellow 1 (2nd column).

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BLUE X
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5
ORANGE 4
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X
2
4
GREEN X
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4
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FOX
Diag
onal
bonus
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Is turn skipping allowed in this game? I don’t think mine was finished?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:53 pm

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When players are taking dice from the opponent whose turn it is, they can do so in any order; turn order doesn't matter there.

Turn order matters for figuring out whose turn it is to roll dice. Right now, it's still NotAJumbleOfNumbers's turn, but he's done everything he needs to. Once you pick the die you want, his turn will officially end. Then it'll be Round 1-3, and your turn to roll.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:58 pm

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In post 55, Farren wrote:It's a matter of opinion as to which is better.

Both of them equate to 1 point right now. Orange is 1 point specifically because the die is a 1; Blue is 1 point because Blue is always 1 point the first time you score it, no matter what you score it with.

Orange has more bonus potential and more total scoring potential - but Orange also needs high valued dice to have that scoring potential; Blue needs variety. Plus some of Orange's bonuses are multipliers - which get even more benefit from high-valued dice.

Orange is flexible - it can always be scored unless you run out of slots. With Blue, each possible 2d6 result (2-12) can only be scored once, and some numbers are harder to get than others.
Based on this, Blue will remain at one point the first time I play it whenever that is right? But do I have low or high-valued dice here?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:10 pm

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Correct. Blue will score you one point the first time you score it, whenever that is or whatever your dice are when you do it.

With Blue - value's hard to judge. When trying to score Blue, you need things you don't already have, and right now you don't have anything. When it gets down to the point where half of Blue is filled up, then it's easier to say for sure what's going to be helpful and what's not. If you have particular bonuses in mind - the Blue die will put you one step closer to a Green X and a Yellow X. But any value in Blue would put you one step closer to two different bonuses.

Orange is simple. The higher the die, the better it is. Especially when there's a multiplier involved (which right now, there isn't). Any die will fill the slot, but higher dice means more points. Orange 1 is definitely low value - unless you want the slot filled and don't care what's in it.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:12 pm

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So, I guess orange is the more optimal play then?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:15 pm

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That, I can't answer. It's a matter of opinion - as the player, yours is the only one that matters here. :)
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:34 am

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In post 67, Farren wrote:That, I can't answer. It's a matter of opinion - as the player, yours is the only one that matters here. :)
But I don’t have one or how to determine one, which is why I’m trying to figure out which choice is the most beneficial, which is what I did last time.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:35 am

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In post 66, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So, I guess orange is the more optimal play then?
Anyway on reread, it sounds like it may be blue? I honestly couldn’t tell from reading it.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:46 am

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if i were you i'd use the blue die
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:08 am

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You can also copy what the other players do. But that stops being a good idea when your boards look different.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:11 am

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In post 70, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:if i were you i'd use the blue die
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I was kind of leaning that way.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:44 am

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In post 72, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 70, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:if i were you i'd use the blue die
+1

I was kind of leaning that way.
Is this your official play?

Not trying to rush you - just want to make sure I don't miss your choice if it's made. :)
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:53 am

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In post 73, Farren wrote:
In post 72, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 70, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:if i were you i'd use the blue die
+1

I was kind of leaning that way.
Is this your official play?

Not trying to rush you - just want to make sure I don't miss your choice if it's made. :)
Sure, no dw, I didn’t view it that way at all.

And yes.
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