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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:25 am

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Hey, I'm starting a fantasy league. It's going to be full ppr and have FAAB.

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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:28 am

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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:13 am

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:35 am

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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:54 pm

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what is ppr and FAAB?
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:22 am

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Ppr = Points per reception. It means when someone catches the ball, they get a point

FAAB is Free Agent Auction Budget. So instead of a waiver wire, everyone gets a set budget to purchase free agents with throughout the year. It allows for more fairness than waiver systems because it doesn't randomly reward people who haven't been using the waiver wire.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:17 pm

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I feel like you should take out the word "randomly" there since its not random. In the other league its currently based on who all is taking a player, when they are taking them, and the priority that team currently has compared to anyone else taking that same player. Nero probably should add a thing to his survey asking players if they prefer that current priority system or want to change it to a standings based one.

I have never tried FAAB, but it does look interesting. About how much budget were you looking to give each team owner at season start?

If two team owners tie for the highest bid on a player, what is the tie breaker?
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:50 pm

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$100 is standard but it really doesn't matter since everyone is playing with the same amount of house money; default in the event of a tie (which happens fairly frequently, because inevitably there are going to be lots of players you just bet $0 on) is waivers the same way they are implemented in the standard league.

PJ do you not believe that FAAB randomly rewards people who don't use the waiver wire? Because it does, by leaving them with more money to use on later acquisitions. The only benefit to FAAB is that it makes "do I pick up this player and lose my waiver priority?" not a binary decision.

Waiver priority by inverse of standings is absolutely dreadful because it allows players at the bottom to take any relevant waiver wire acquisition. And it also legitimately creates a breaking strategy of tanking Week 1 and putting every player on your bench to get zero points and have the ability to pick up every single Week 1 breakout.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:16 pm

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In post 6, PokerFace wrote:I feel like you should take out the word "randomly" there since its not random. In the other league its currently based on who all is taking a player, when they are taking them, and the priority that team currently has compared to anyone else taking that same player. Nero probably should add a thing to his survey asking players if they prefer that current priority system or want to change it to a standings based one.

I have never tried FAAB, but it does look interesting. About how much budget were you looking to give each team owner at season start?

If two team owners tie for the highest bid on a player, what is the tie breaker?
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:18 pm

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In post 7, D3f3nd3r wrote:PJ do you not believe that FAAB randomly rewards people who don't use the waiver wire? Because it does, by leaving them with more money to use on later acquisitions. The only benefit to FAAB is that it makes "do I pick up this player and lose my waiver priority?" not a binary decision.
Not using is a choice, even if the choice is "i forgot". And if you haven't been using your money prior to get acquisitions, then using it later is the intended outcome. Like...that's a feature not a bug.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:31 am

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In post 9, PJ. wrote:
In post 7, D3f3nd3r wrote:PJ do you not believe that FAAB randomly rewards people who don't use the waiver wire? Because it does, by leaving them with more money to use on later acquisitions. The only benefit to FAAB is that it makes "do I pick up this player and lose my waiver priority?" not a binary decision.
Not using is a choice, even if the choice is "i forgot". And if you haven't been using your money prior to get acquisitions, then using it later is the intended outcome. Like...that's a feature not a bug.
I agree with you, I’m just trying to say that you could say the exact same thing about the waiver system in the main league. Just swap out the word money for “waiver priority”.

My biggest issue with that system is that it’s initially assigned by the inverse of the draft order, which is a bit problematic when you consider that there’s no “obviously best” draft position but there is an “obviously best” waiver position.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:41 am

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In post 10, D3f3nd3r wrote:
In post 9, PJ. wrote:
In post 7, D3f3nd3r wrote:PJ do you not believe that FAAB randomly rewards people who don't use the waiver wire? Because it does, by leaving them with more money to use on later acquisitions. The only benefit to FAAB is that it makes "do I pick up this player and lose my waiver priority?" not a binary decision.
Not using is a choice, even if the choice is "i forgot". And if you haven't been using your money prior to get acquisitions, then using it later is the intended outcome. Like...that's a feature not a bug.
I agree with you, I’m just trying to say that you could say the exact same thing about the waiver system in the main league. Just swap out the word money for “waiver priority”.

My biggest issue with that system is that it’s initially assigned by the inverse of the draft order, which is a bit problematic when you consider that there’s no “obviously best” draft position but there is an “obviously best” waiver position.
I agree with the second part. Also, I probably didn't correctly convey what I meant. My biggest issue w/ a non-FAAB waiver system is that you can be stuck at the bottom. Like, start at the bottom and stay at the bottom. For example, 12 waiver spots, 1-3 don't ever use their prio, everyone else uses it once per week. The system wouldn't effect 1-3 at all, but 4 will always be 4, effectively getting first pick every week. In a FAAB system, you can allocate your resources better than other people to not get "stuck" - and for the people that get their pick up they are definitively out their resource instead of only out their resource if people behind them in line do NOT use their resource. That second part is why I used the word "random", because your waiver priority the next week is as much decided by your league mates' actions as it is by your own actions - which will never happen in FAAB and is unpredictable. A second issue that is created by the first is having to be around at the time waivers unlock, which is a definitive disadvantage for people that aren't up at 2am PST (on yahoo leagues). With waivers, you are punished for picking up players during waiver in a binary way and for players that aren't deemed worthy of losing your spot, it becomes a race to see who can get them in the middle of the night. FAAB allows you to queue up players for 0 dollars alleviating the need to check your league the second waivers pop -> and those go into the normal prio system(as you mentioned) if there is a tie which is fine. Third, the priority waiver system is a remnant of the past that was created before people were playing using the internet. Like, it's system that is in place because you used to have to send in your waiver pickups via paper mail to your commissioner or call them on the actual telephone to place pickups. We have evolved past the need for this.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:28 pm

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In that scenario, people are incentivized to just not use the waiver wire for a week, which would put them right back at the top of the order (or, well, at #4) for the next week. Also I can't remember a time last year in Scumleague where there were enough players that got picked up on waivers in a week for the order to cycle all the way around - looking at the league, there were a total of 50 times two or more of us tried to acquire the same player and waivers had to come into play (an average of just over three per week), but there was one week where ten players got picked up on waivers, and even then all of those pickups were made by seven teams since three teams used their waiver priority twice.

Spoiler: Waiver wire pickups in Scumleague L1 on September 23 last year
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Also, to the best of my knowledge, with FAAB in place you do still end up with the issue where waking up as soon as FAAB things resolve is useful in terms of being able to pick up players that you didn't want to put money (or $0 waiver claims) on. Though I believe there's a way around this by just having all roster pickups use the waiver system, not just those made on day one after a week finishes up, which might be worth implementing here if you weren't already planning on it.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:54 pm

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The issue w/ the always waiver is that it takes a day to process so day of pick ups are not allowed, which is uh..not great
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:24 pm

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In post 13, PJ. wrote:The issue w/ the always waiver is that it takes a day to process so day of pick ups are not allowed, which is uh..not great
Yeah that's also very true, you're kinda damned if you do and damned if you don't unfortunately since it's either no minute-of pickups or "oh boy 4am!" pickups for anyone with a sleep schedule like yours :P
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:40 pm

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Oh for sure, like, I understand that I personally benefit greatly from the normal prio system
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:51 am

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you doing this on yahoo as well or ESPN?
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:14 pm

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I'd pref yahoo, but if people wanted espn, that's fine.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:15 pm

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Esp cause espn is ppr standard
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:27 pm

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I’d prefer Yahoo just since that’s the UI I’m used to
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:01 pm

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We currently have 4, I probably can get 2 irl people. I asked peg to ask bbm, but who knows on that. I might try to bug agar again. Still would need 2 more people. I don't want to pm people from the other league but it might be worth. I should dm Reck again.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:02 pm

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Might see if I can pester xofelf to sticky this lol
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:40 pm

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I'll be in if there's 8 or more
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:44 pm

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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:34 pm

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I'm still interested in doing this. I'm going to see if I can get some irl friends to get us to 8ish. But we still need at least 2 more
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