Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Ms Marangal]

Hey guys.

Skipping RVs and going straight to business.

Serra: hey, sup? I think we should start the game off working together, and figure the others alignment down the road. paranoia is a incessant thing between us, and if you're town, we don't need it to come in between us winning the game/causing unnecessary distractions. If you're scum, imma lynch you anyway.

Jason: I loved spending time with you, and would love to be able to catch scum with you, so don't be scum!

Molla: I don't know you or your meta that well, but from what I do remember, you're a pretty strong player as town and I hope to be seeing that here.

ETL: I like you, and I think you've grown as a player and I would love to see what you can do here, and see just how much you have grown

The othera: I know absolutely nothing about you, and I'll probably learn a little more about you this game and if there is a scumfuck in there, I will find them

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: as I am working on a magnificent phone post, I have a vote places on me, such hurt

[Ms Marangal]

Mara!

Why do you want to skip RVS?

Because of the nature of the game itself! It wouldn't matter as much if it were a normal game, but tm is srs biz and we must act as such

Pedit: look up experiences between me and serra

Also, mina, if I did use tokens on alignment I would be town since it's pretty well known I hate scum

[Ms Marangal]

I believe it is, I certainly complain about it enough in various places, and yes I do, and always have had a disbelief on the effectiveness of RVs. It is used entirely to often and getting reads from said stage has become practically non existant

[Ms Marangal]

In my experience, scum often want to skip RVS because that is when the slightest transgressions can be hounded for a lynch.

VOTE: mara

Um...

That fact alone benefits scum considerably more than it will ever benefit town.

The transgression thing, I do not see how it is conductive to scum hunting at all.

[Ms Marangal]

Rvs is also considerably more dangerous in micros, as lynches happen alot quicker

[Ms Marangal]

Mara, I'll follow up on this after double-checking with my team on this (I think it was Empire who told me this, although it could have been Regfan).

Please do, I want to know why they think I would try and spend it on alignment in the first place

[Ms Marangal]

Vs pie or notsci who both have more obvious difference in play re differing alignments

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: your apparent belief that I lack ways to influence town as scum makes me sad

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: your apparent belief that I lack subtle ways to influence town as scum makes me sad

Fixed

[Ms Marangal]

Idk, 24 does seem like a fair assumption on her part, because it does seem to be a case of "town unless proven otherwise" type of deal, though the other two are solid points. Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?

If so, why

[Ms Marangal]

Everyones town until I find a reason for them being scum

[Ms Marangal]

Everyones town until I find a reason for them being scum

Ok.. I'll have to check and see if this is how you always do things. I think it's weird.

p-edit: Quil, it wasn't the wording, or I would have said it was the wording. It was the tone and attitude towards him that I found odd. But if she's telling the truth about her methods it could just be a style thing.

Why would I lie?

[Ms Marangal]

You're making my day, you really are

But, as scum what benefits would I get from lying about something that can be easily looked up?

[Ms Marangal]

Holy shit what a player list

Thank fuck I'm town

Not gonna bother voting on phone

At least you have a computer to use!

Mines a crapshoot and nachos won't charge

[Ms Marangal]

You're making my day, you really are

But, as scum what benefits would I get from lying about something that can be easily looked up?

Because most people don't. It's fine for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bb

:/

This doesn't really explain the benefits

[Ms Marangal]

When have we played a game together beeps?

[Ms Marangal]

Mara's posting doesn't feel like mara to me. I've only played with her a very little bit, but like it feels either heavily influenced by her team or mara really stepping up her game. My first indication is to townread her posts, but I don't wanna jump to that considering possible influences!

I would like to think so, though! I am generally not thought of as one of the best/dominating players and I want that to be the case here. That said, I think the only real change I am making is my abrasivness and that I am channeling my aggression differently. My approach to how I play I play otherwise hasn't exactly changed and I am wondering why you think I am not very "Mara esque"

[Ms Marangal]

Where are you getting "most" from? I've seen you and Quilford say it, but that's it.

Hi, don't forget that I am actually engaging with her with mostly her posting

[Ms Marangal]

Empire says that Mara used to take strong pride in her scum game (which is suggested in 39). He's apparently spoken about this with Cabd before. (I can ask him for examples later.)

Patrick, why don't you look obvtown yet? Is it because of the scum tokens you bid on this game? (Here, some attention for you!)

No more posting from me until tonight.

No, I still do but I would still much rather prefer having a town pm over a scum one.

Scum is pride, and town is joy. I guess I do see where that impression that I prefer scum though.

[Ms Marangal]

I haven't quite gotten my head around how specific I can be about stuff from our PT, but my team seem to think Quil is town and BB's and mara's openings are weird/fake.

I've never played with anyone on your team before, and this seems to be general trend as of late, not entirely surprised.

I've also found that reaching out and working with players is more conducive to getting solid reads in, building a solid block, and getting into peoples heads which, ultimately leads to figuring alignment.

RVS also has always been something I've not been to fond of and I generally do try and end it asap

[Ms Marangal]

Alchemist's posts so far look like he's trying to appear involved without really adding anything - he's asking questions and taken a side on a couple of things, but seems to do so in a way that doesn't add any pressure or lead to any interesting followup. He's my best guess for scum so far. Does anyone (apart from serra) get the same impression?

Maybe

[Ms Marangal]

But I also think that the lack of experience on site might also have something to do with it.

[Ms Marangal]

I think he is pretty inexperienced, yes. Post count might mean something, but in half a year (assuming one hasn't played prior) I feel like one generally hasn't been in enough games, or has been in to many games at once to take away anything meaningful.

Also, from what I can gather, it doesn't really seen he has much of an in depth view of the game as a whole

[Ms Marangal]

His engagement with quilford especially seems like someone who is trying to get his feet wet and such and trying to engage with people and where they are coming from which is generally from town

[Ms Marangal]

I've never played with anyone on your team before, and this seems to be general trend as of late, not entirely surprised.

I take this back, I've played with egg. He sucks at reading me and vice versa iirc

[Ms Marangal]

Mina, why do you think quil is town?

[Ms Marangal]

He is actually one of my top scum reads though

[Ms Marangal]

And you, serra, and etl are very probably town

[Ms Marangal]

A page ago

[Ms Marangal]

It ended up being more a case of "why not"

ETL hit town rediculously early and serras response to me was highly favorable and it's difficult seeing that actually coming from a town perspective.

I thought your team thinking I picked scum tokens were weird, though empires analysis of my play and behavior was somewhat accurate and I feel like it was a solid move from you guys and, from what I understand of his play, it's very unlikely that he is scum thus, it is very unlikely that you are scum.

Patrick, I think looked townie enough but could be scum if my top three is completely off, and it seems like it might be.

I don't know anything of quils meta so all I have to go off of is what's going on in thread. His pushes were kinda awkward and still kinda is and though his posts seen reasonable enough, I kinda feel like they lack originality and the one push that was kind of original can also kinda explain how he's played so far (read, etl being knew jerky)

[Ms Marangal]

I also did shortly contemplate him being scum with alch but with current interactions, it seems very unlikely and am worried that he just comes off as scummy and scum might be taking advantage of that

[Ms Marangal]

In that first paragraph, are you saying you're Townreading ETL and scumreading Serra?

No, he's town.

[Ms Marangal]

And he should tell at me if I start scum reading him down the road

Pedit: yeah? I didn't explicity mention any of my reads, I did hint towards possible scum read on you earlier after pats first post

Ppedit:should have read difficult from seeing it from scum perspective

[Ms Marangal]

I refuse to vote anyone, especially quilford until I can get more info on alch from my teammates.

Also, regfan agreeing with me is weird.

What are his thoughts on mills and pat?

[Ms Marangal]

Also,

vla for Easter

may be around tomorrow or Friday but don't count on it. Will for sure will be back on Tuesday though

[Ms Marangal]

It's Easter week and I'm catholic goddammit!

There's still loads of time so I'm not sure why people are rushing

Here's my vote though

VOTE: patrick

Also, as stated before, I liked serras response to me, and as knee-jerky and premature as it seems, I feel like serra is one of those people where, as soon as you get.a read on him it shouldn't be let go, else Shit ensues

[Ms Marangal]

You changed to town

Quill has gotten townier I think, but things are kinda weird there ( also, with Mina here I doubt he would get lynches and is probably better looked at later especially if what Mina says about him is true)

And I am talking to my mates about molla, but iirc, they don't like him very much

[Ms Marangal]

So, currently I am sitting at molla/patrick as most likely.

I also completely disagree with regfan re you and quill double bussing

[Ms Marangal]

Also,

vla for Easter

may be around tomorrow or Friday but don't count on it. Will for sure will be back on Tuesday though

Also, I think this was missed?

This effectively means I won't be around this weekend, and might not be around tomorrow or Monday

Pedit: kinda

You also talked. Alot.

[Ms Marangal]

If I had to take a guess now, it would be alchemist/Serra. Everyone else has had at least something that seems town, some stronger than others.

Have you not read alchs most recent posts?

[Ms Marangal]

"why are your reads so jerky?"

"you're scum because you're being hypocritical, and applying reasons for scum me that also apply to you"

"when did you solidify your read on me"

Ect... I'll match these up later to actual posts, though it shouldn't be to hard to see what is what.

Also, when I said he talked, I was stating that he has given me alot more to work off of compared to before when I had a maybe town, possibly scum read off him. Posting more does not make him town, but it's more he's posted

[Ms Marangal]

*more WHAT he's posted

[Ms Marangal]

Also, on the threshold of being lynched, he is refusing to push another wagon, and continues his quil wagon when it seems like no one else is going to join that wagon, and really isn't even pushing his wagon properly and is more doing his own thing with the pushes, and seems to be interested in working with people outside of his scum reads, trying to understand them but not , cohesively working with them which reads more town than scum because it gives zero room to manipulate people

[Ms Marangal]

Because if watch-immune goon gets lynched, the tracker becomes a named Townie, and if they claim they become confTown and watcher can camp on them.

And if track immune does, tracker basically becomes a cop

[Ms Marangal]

All three of my team disagree... :/

Well they are unmemorable because egg is the only one I remember, and I think I was town with scum him

As far as my expectations of you, as scum you would be more readily take up the opportunity to get on my good side, I think.

[Ms Marangal]

Yesterday, it felt like pulling teeth trying to get some explanations out of her. I understand she's on V/LA, but if she was here long enough to respond to those questions she could have explained stuff the first time.

It should have. I am not apt to explain stuff when I don't want to/no real reason to. Especially not early game.

Here, I want my lynch and I am trying to defend you with my limited time, and it also isn't like reads haven't changed a but over time!

Do you really think scum is more likely to be stubborn with their.reads vs town, though? Because I just kinda realized that seems to be a big push for you and your scum reads.

I also lied about not voting! My teammates are busy with their games, but I did get some things out of them regarding you, which gave me a but of insight on how you operate but what it is isn't of much importance other than the fact that it makes you vying for town tokens as you stated you did so earlier alot more likely.

Right now, I am more interested in keeping you from getting lynched, and hopefully get pat lynched as soon as your safety is secured

[Ms Marangal]

Also, serra, my reasons for alch town are on p 13 & 14

What don't you understand?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm writing a big post now. However, can someone corroborate if this is true for me:

I was honest. I prefer being scum because it's usually more enjoyable, but I'm a stronger player as Town, and from a tactical standpoint making me Town is the better move.

Btw, this is the post that makes increasingly more sense based on what pie told me

[Ms Marangal]

I do agree that Mara being off on her own world is a point in her favour, and I like her read on Alchemist came roughly when my doubts were emerging. I also agree with Patrick she's unlikely to be scum with Alchemist21. I don't know if I want to outright clear her, just because Mara's post has some moon-logic leaps I don't follow (Where is the read on serrapaladin coming from her? Why Patrick?), but it's not really a scummy sort of moon-logic.

I am pretty well known for moon logic, and the fact that I am feeling a little cocky might make my stance seen much more so.

Though, the fact that this happened (doubts on alchemist read) is important. Do you really think other competent Hunters are completely unable to see where alchemist is possibly town?

I think, quill is just tunnel visioned, but patrick outright said he couldn't find anything in his posts that could be from town

[Ms Marangal]

And it was around the time I started to defend the hell of him and (from what I understand) is right around the time you had your doubts

[Ms Marangal]

Also,

vla for Easter

may be around tomorrow or Friday but don't count on it. Will for sure will be back on Tuesday though

Also, I think this was missed?

This effectively means I won't be around this weekend, and might not be around tomorrow or Monday

Pedit: kinda

You also talked. Alot.

Ms Marangal is V/LA 3/31-4/7

[Ms Marangal]

I also asked Mina something forever ago and it never got answered, and it was important

[Ms Marangal]

I do agree that Mara being off on her own world is a point in her favour, and I like her read on Alchemist came roughly when my doubts were emerging. I also agree with Patrick she's unlikely to be scum with Alchemist21. I don't know if I want to outright clear her, just because Mara's post has some moon-logic leaps I don't follow (Where is the read on serrapaladin coming from her? Why Patrick?), but it's not really a scummy sort of moon-logic.

I am pretty well known for moon logic, and the fact that I am feeling a little cocky might make my stance seen much more so.

Though, the fact that this happened (doubts on alchemist read) is important. Do you really think other competent Hunters are completely unable to see where alchemist is possibly town?

I think, quill is just tunnel visioned, but patrick outright said he couldn't find anything in his posts that could be from town

Ok, not exactly a question, but this was a statement on why he was scum and that idea came from the same post you linked and.thought was town

[Ms Marangal]

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

[Ms Marangal]

Mara: Is there anything to your serra town read apart from his response to you initially? To me his behaviour on alchemist roughly sums up what you're voting me for, so can you flesh that out a bit when you get back

Not really no, but tomorrow I am probably gonna vote.park on molla the entire day

[Ms Marangal]

Jesus Christ

[Ms Marangal]

Serra, why is alch scum?

[Ms Marangal]

Mara, will you answer my questions now?

Sorry

I said we kinda talked because we didn't really get to talk about my game so, outside of the little pie insight (which I specifically asked for their opinions on them being able to read you) and a comment From Mastin, the reads and pushes here are mostly mine.

I'm not going to give you the meta insight from pie because it is a part of your meta you're unaware of which are as good as gold

[Ms Marangal]

I do really want to vote molla for that attempted hammer though considering the nature of where that sig came from

Pedit: I think he's scum, or I wouldn't be voting him

[Ms Marangal]

Ok. Why do you think Patrick's scum?

Don't have enough energy attempt to keep you from being lynched, and go in depth on my read there, but there are little nuggets about it here and there

[Ms Marangal]

Mara: Is there anything to your serra town read apart from his response to you initially? To me his behaviour on alchemist roughly sums up what you're voting me for, so can you flesh that out a bit when you get back

Not really no, but tomorrow I am probably gonna vote.park on molla the entire day

The point is more that you can't fathom how a genuine scumhunter wouldn't have more doubts about alchemist, while town-reading serrapaladin who I don't think has shown the slightest doubt about alchemist, nor much curiosity overall.

Why the bbmolla hatred for faking a hammer?

I don't like his push on alchemist and I want him to talk me about it

[Ms Marangal]

Oh, ok. I'll let pie keep his meta.

There's still my question about Patrick.

Two top points though, I think he has more of a hand in testing to see how likely you being lynched is and that post where he said he didn't get the feeling that your wagon would turn up town even as he usually feels wagons built in the manner yours was is generally on town

Pedit: nope!

And I didn't see the preview screen

[Ms Marangal]

I don't like his push on alchemist and I want him to talk me about it

I think his early game play is scummy as fuck, the rest of his play has been him attempting to save face.

I don't see a point in continuing until he's flipped.

I made a case on him being town ON MY PHONE. How often do I spend energy doing that kind of thing? Did you just decide to not read it?

[Ms Marangal]

I don't like his push on alchemist and I want him to talk me about it

I think his early game play is scummy as fuck, the rest of his play has been him attempting to save face.

I don't see a point in continuing until he's flipped.

I made a case on him being town ON MY PHONE. How often do I spend energy doing that kind of thing? Did you just decide to not read it?

[Ms Marangal]

You've played with me enough times to know that I don't often have the most understandable reasons for my reads and the ones that I spend the most time on, the ones that I put actual effort in are usually the ones that I believe in the most. The reads that are not likely to change and those reads generally.have reason behind them so I don't really understand why you don't try and understand it.

I actually.think that, of everyone here you probably know me the best so I would expect some kind of thing from you as town and I'm not getting it

[Ms Marangal]

But I also think that the lack of experience on site might also have something to do with it.

I think he is pretty inexperienced, yes. Post count might mean something, but in half a year (assuming one hasn't played prior) I feel like one generally hasn't been in enough games, or has been in to many games at once to take away anything meaningful.

Also, from what I can gather, it doesn't really seen he has much of an in depth view of the game as a whole

His engagement with quilford especially seems like someone who is trying to get his feet wet and such and trying to engage with people and where they are coming from which is generally from town

I also did shortly contemplate him being scum with alch but with current interactions, it seems very unlikely and am worried that he just comes off as scummy and scum might be taking advantage of that

If I had to take a guess now, it would be alchemist/Serra. Everyone else has had at least something that seems town, some stronger than others.

Have you not read alchs most recent posts?

"why are your reads so jerky?"

"you're scum because you're being hypocritical, and applying reasons for scum me that also apply to you"

"when did you solidify your read on me"

Ect... I'll match these up later to actual posts, though it shouldn't be to hard to see what is what.

Also, when I said he talked, I was stating that he has given me alot more to work off of compared to before when I had a maybe town, possibly scum read off him. Posting more does not make him town, but it's more he's posted

Also, on the threshold of being lynched, he is refusing to push another wagon, and continues his quil wagon when it seems like no one else is going to join that wagon, and really isn't even pushing his wagon properly and is more doing his own thing with the pushes, and seems to be interested in working with people outside of his scum reads, trying to understand them but not , cohesively working with them which reads more town than scum because it gives zero room to manipulate people

How do you miss these? It's the first read I decided to stop playing around with

[Ms Marangal]

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

This is a very calm post coming after the fake hammer. I don't have meta, but it's not what I'd expect from you. More of a snide comment directed at focusing probably the next day on BB over any kind of freak-out/omg get out reads quickly before day end.

didn't he claim?

oops

well fingers crossed

after this? when I said I'd be back tomorrow? what do you think?

Mina town. quil maybe not town. Patrick not town but something someone said makes me think I'm gut reading. bb not town. bpc maybe town. I'm missing people.

fuckk. I've got my eye on bb at the moment.

This is about what I'd expect from ETL. Initial holy shit what the fuck I'm pissed throw out a few reads, you asshole. I find the tone of the bbmolla snipes to be much different than Mara's first post fake-hammer post.

Mara: Is there anything to your serra town read apart from his response to you initially? To me his behaviour on alchemist roughly sums up what you're voting me for, so can you flesh that out a bit when you get back

Not really no, but tomorrow I am probably gonna vote.park on molla the entire day

Mara, did you just blow through the preview screen from Alchemist's post or did you see and not care?

I do really want to vote molla for that attempted hammer though considering the nature of where that sig came from

Pedit: I think he's scum, or I wouldn't be voting him

A fake hammer and a real hammer are pretty different with context to his sig. This feels like a weird point to harp on since you know it was fake, so why attack him for this?

(If you can't tell, I really didn't like Mara's reaction to everything.)

I don't have a usable computer, thus I am pretty can't type things as quickly.as I can and I needed the quickest way to convey my thoughts

[Ms Marangal]

And yes I realize he knew it was fake, but I am pretty tired of trying to analyze it and it's easier to just kill it

Pedit: the first reason I gave on him is Still the best I,can come up with

[Ms Marangal]

Mara knew it was a fake hammer and still went to go after bb for it. makes no sense.

No I didn't hence "jesus christ" after cping that sig. I am never getting ly.ched anyway so don't botnet

[Ms Marangal]

Like, seriously go back to sheeling me

[Ms Marangal]

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

Mara: Is there anything to your serra town read apart from his response to you initially? To me his behaviour on alchemist roughly sums up what you're voting me for, so can you flesh that out a bit when you get back

Not really no, but tomorrow I am probably gonna vote.park on molla the entire day

Jesus Christ

Oh, ok. I'll let pie keep his meta.

There's still my question about Patrick.

Two top points though, I think he has more of a hand in testing to see how likely you being lynched is and that post where he said he didn't get the feeling that your wagon would turn up town even as he usually feels wagons built in the manner yours was is generally on town

Pedit: nope!

And I didn't see the preview screen

Mara knew it was a fake hammer and still went to go after bb for it. makes no sense.

No I didn't hence "jesus christ" after cping that sig. I am never getting ly.ched anyway so don't botnet

[Ms Marangal]

Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions.

This is a very calm post coming after the fake hammer. I don't have meta, but it's not what I'd expect from you. More of a snide comment directed at focusing probably the next day on BB over any kind of freak-out/omg get out reads quickly before day end.

didn't he claim?

oops

well fingers crossed

after this? when I said I'd be back tomorrow? what do you think?

Mina town. quil maybe not town. Patrick not town but something someone said makes me think I'm gut reading. bb not town. bpc maybe town. I'm missing people.

fuckk. I've got my eye on bb at the moment.

This is about what I'd expect from ETL. Initial holy shit what the fuck I'm pissed throw out a few reads, you asshole. I find the tone of the bbmolla snipes to be much different than Mara's first post fake-hammer post.

Mara: Is there anything to your serra town read apart from his response to you initially? To me his behaviour on alchemist roughly sums up what you're voting me for, so can you flesh that out a bit when you get back

Not really no, but tomorrow I am probably gonna vote.park on molla the entire day

Mara, did you just blow through the preview screen from Alchemist's post or did you see and not care?

I do really want to vote molla for that attempted hammer though considering the nature of where that sig came from

Pedit: I think he's scum, or I wouldn't be voting him

A fake hammer and a real hammer are pretty different with context to his sig. This feels like a weird point to harp on since you know it was fake, so why attack him for this?

(If you can't tell, I really didn't like Mara's reaction to everything.)

I don't have a usable computer, thus I am pretty can't type things as quickly.as I can and I needed the quickest way to convey my thoughts

Eg: I was expecting thread to close any second

[Ms Marangal]

I want to break my phone.

I am tracker, lynch pat NOW

[Ms Marangal]

LISTEN.TO CONF TOWN

[Ms Marangal]

Get back on the pat wagon etl, and join the one wagon that ever had a.Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions chance of getting off other than yours alch

[Ms Marangal]

*join the only other wagon that ever had a chance getting off other than youra

[Ms Marangal]

If alch was scum he's being superbly shitty at surviving, and doing and doing things that make his survival easier which would be against his alignment

[Ms Marangal]

Pat is and has been the one who was testing to see how likely alch oz getting lyched and is one who is most likely to be borrowing others reads, and looming town without acutely being town

[Ms Marangal]

All game, aLch has been vying for quill even though it was OBVIOUS that it wasn't going anywhere. That's move is beyond retardedly if scum

[Ms Marangal]

I'm pretty dead tonight, so.

[Ms Marangal]

And no, I. When I am beyond fustrssd

[Ms Marangal]

And I do.want to win the game, and I have tried all of today and not getting the lynch that is probably.the most likely.scum is.the worst.thing.ever

[Ms Marangal]

Because alch is still town and pat is still scum and im tired.of no one frying to.listen to me

[Ms Marangal]

And now I'm conf.town

[Ms Marangal]

The only.thing I've asked for all game oz to lynch pat and.tiff not lynch alch

Pedit:yes

[Ms Marangal]

WHO NEEDS A TRACKER, ANYWAY?

SHE'LL PROBABLY JUST TRACK PATRICK, AND THEN LIE ABOUT HER RESULT.

NO I WON'T BECAUSE HE'S GETTING LYNCHED TODAY

[Ms Marangal]

Oh, ok. I'll let pie keep his meta.

There's still my question about Patrick.

Two top points though, I think he has more of a hand in testing to see how likely you being lynched is and that post where he said he didn't get the feeling that your wagon would turn up town even as he usually feels wagons built in the manner yours was is generally on town

Pedit: nope!

And I didn't see the preview screen

I do agree that Mara being off on her own world is a point in her favour, and I like her read on Alchemist came roughly when my doubts were emerging. I also agree with Patrick she's unlikely to be scum with Alchemist21. I don't know if I want to outright clear her, just because Mara's post has some moon-logic leaps I don't follow (Where is the read on serrapaladin coming from her? Why Patrick?), but it's not really a scummy sort of moon-logic.

I am pretty well known for moon logic, and the fact that I am feeling a little cocky might make my stance seen much more so.

Though, the fact that this happened (doubts on alchemist read) is important. Do you really think other competent Hunters are completely unable to see where alchemist is possibly town?

I think, quill is just tunnel visioned, but patrick outright said he couldn't find anything in his posts that could be from town

And it was around the time I started to defend the hell of him and (from what I understand) is right around the time you had your doubts

[Ms Marangal]

I've seen plenty of games where someone gets wagoned for weak early play, never gets a chance to recover and is lynched, only to flip town. Probably anyone with any experience has. And alot of the time, I find myself hating the herd mentality and the obvious confirmation bias that flies around those day 1 mislynches, as people just paint their target in a scummy light and ignore protown signs or potential protown signs. When I see that from the outside I facepalm, when I'm in the game I often have doubts that the day 1 wagonee is scum, even if I'm on them. I read their posts and often just get a gut feeling they're going to be lynched and flip town.

The thing is, in this game, I don't read Alchemists posts and get a gut feeling that he's going to come back as town. I'm nowhere near certain he's scum, but I definitely don't buy that just talking alot makes him town, which you seem to be implying, Mara. I'd like you to back up that read with something more solid.

Quilford does seem town in his recent posts. I also hate people suspecting me so I can identify with that. Pretty happy that CES and CDB agree with me.

This is probably the most he's done all game and I feel like this post alone is some kind of weird appealing to something and is done to try and get this wagon going without really needing to take responsibility for.it