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Post #5257 (isolation #200) » Mon May 11, 2015 6:08 pm
Postby Oversoul »
The vote count has remained pretty stagnant for a large part of this day. I find that amazing. We should lynch someone soon so that we can talk about the second lynch and not do a repeat of Day 1. That would be awesome.
I vote that we don't lynch UT. No one has counterclaimed, it honestly is not worth the risk.
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Post #5341 (isolation #205) » Tue May 12, 2015 3:59 am
Postby Oversoul »
Aronis I think has site flaked, so the wagon on him is not going to do anything. It is most likely going to be a wagon to hammer, without any claim, without any input from Aronis.
Formerfish is aware his position is bad in this game, which is why he is posting.
I don't really think scum would just check out like Aronis.
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Post #5354 (isolation #206) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 am
Postby Oversoul »
Wow. Aronis has done jackshit from the first day.
But then again, that is why I thought he was similar to TSO.
TSO towned it up early in the game and then got lynched for something he did later in the game. Aronis looks to be the same way. But the later half of his play is really bad. He is coasting a lot.
Bulba seems town to me. I don't think I am going to vote him. I thought he had a strong early game.
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Post #5357 (isolation #207) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:34 am
Postby Oversoul »
Aronis never does anything anyway. Hard for me to try and discern his actions from what he does.
I didn't realize it was this bad. He has only been prod dodging/voting for the second half of his ISO.
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Post #5368 (isolation #208) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:59 am
Postby Oversoul »
I was town reading Aronis early game for his interaction with Bulba and his contributions that weren't just prod dodges.
I say we should aim for a lynch within two days so we have 5 days to discuss the second lynch.
My team feels really strongly that I need to full disclosure that we only know UT is NOT Blade, DESPITE OUR SUSPICIONS THAT HE COULD'VE BEEN ALQUIN WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON I WAS AVOIDING HIS LYNCH THIS WHOLE DAY LO AND BEHOLD.
Hey, I'd love your thoughts... but please avoid emotion land if you can.
Anything specific I should look at?
Spoiler: short readslist
So the only input I have from my team is that ffery is town. So I am solely responsible for these reads.
Town:
Tammy
Marquis
Prob town:
Cheetory
DeasVail- I think he's town, I'm just not very confident in reading him after my last game with him.
Tso
Vezok
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CDB
GiF
UT
Gamma
Null:
Anyone not mentioned elsewhere.
Lean scum:
Titus- I've seen her towngame and this feels really off.
Bulba
I'm pretty happy with baning bulba at this point and I think I'd prefer it if Tammy got the boon assuming we get around to that.
In post 1290, Cheetory6 wrote:Also, what happened to 100% town marquis vote?
Any reason you're switching?
The wagon had 2 votes on it at last vc and the other vote was a scumread. So with deadline approaching I needed to swap to one of the other wagons and I preferred vezok bc he's a stronger townread than tso, plus it's a ffery supported vote. My switching had nothing to do with a change of opinion ahout Marquis.
In post 1372, Aronis wrote:According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.
Since when were we going to policy lynch someone?
In post 1376, Aronis wrote:Yep. So earlier you seemed to indicate a scumread on me, but now you've switched to just wanting to policy lynch me. What changed? And why are you advocating a policy lynch over lynching your scumread?
In post 1378, Aronis wrote:Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic? And when did fluff become a scum tell?
In post 1378, Aronis wrote:Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic?
Shallow read list that copies the current consensus. Votes (and yes, I include banes and boons here too) that are only on the most popular wagon. Your entire vote/read history is "let's do what everyone else is doing".
Maybe it's because those people are obvtown and stuff, has that ever crossed your mind? If everyone had a different perception of how scum are how the hell are we supposed to come to an agreement and lynch anyone? There's been 3 votes so far, vezok was a compromise bc of the deadline plus the innocent child supported that, I announced both of my other scumreads prior to voting them so it's not like I just jumped on each wagon as it came along.
Would like to know why you think both of these things.
CDB is now a null read. I'm not willing to disclose my read on Bulba at this time to it not being that strong and I want to be able to keep a close eye on his behavior for a while longer before being 100% sure.
This post I think is the quintessential town post in Aronis's iso.
In post 1432, Titus wrote:You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.
I not really that sure about my scumread on you, my buoba scumread is somewhat omgus, so I'm not that sure about it. So probably one of espionage and tth (the only reason I'm as confident as I am in this one is bc my teammate agrees.)
@UT...when you said you forgot that Ffery was confirmed town, does that strike you as something one alignment would do over the other, or just a generic mistake? I'm going to explain my thoughts on that lest someone mistakes that for a trick question...
As town, my priorities are finding scum; however, in the absence of an ability to do so, town hunting could be considered equally important. In this particular instance, with the locked thread, the public mistake, the missed hours of game time...all kind of flashing red lights to what's going on, don't you think? Because of this, I have a
seriously
hard time believing it was just an oversight.
So let me explain why I think this is more likely to come from scum...
AS SCUM, you're trying to trick the town, or throw shit around, or blend in, or make enough noise that people get distracted, or whatever scum-playing tactic one might have, right? It's my theory that a scumUT was more concentrated on trying to pressure/find little indescrepencies with one of the most recent posts (probably didn't matter who the poster was) that could potentially thrust someone else into negative limelight.
His priority didn't read as "is this person scum" it reads "is this person scummy."
Preview Edit:
lol, it's k, yeah that was directed at Aronis, and should've said "so was" not "so what" but I digress...
Singer, you act like ut was paying attention all that time, based on his lack of activity he could have easily never looked at the thread during that time. I for one didn't see it in thread, but in the team mafia main thread a while after it had occured. And how exactly is it alignment indicative? I highly doubt he could trick 18 people into forgetting fferys status. While UT hasn't been the most helpful player, I feel like you're pushingnsomething that isn't there right how.
I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.
Not legit scumreads?!?
Lol.
Walk me through this. What about my reads are disingenuious?
Who do you think is scum (ignore your current vote on me for a hot second)?
You can make up a scumread for any reason and that's exactly what you're doing. I feel like you got your scumreads out of thin air by just picking some things that were null and trying to explain it into being something scummy.
This is unfortunately, half way through Aronis's iso and where he stops really contributing to the game. His activity has been shitty across the entire site though. I don't personally hold him accountable for his absence for that reason. It seems to be real-life driven rather than scum motivated.
All of these quotes show original thought, scum hunting, earnest self reflection, organic development of reads, and just a townie nature in general.
This is why I am calling Aronis TSO 2.0. TSO had a very town early game, but dropped off and then got lynched for it. Aronis is the same way. Not only the similarity in play, but the similarity in circumstances for the wagon. It happened at the end of the day due to town frustration.
Those types of lynches are very inaccurate.
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Post #5447 (isolation #217) » Tue May 12, 2015 2:58 pm
Postby Oversoul »
In post 5444, singersigner wrote:I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!
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Post #5495 (isolation #222) » Wed May 13, 2015 3:42 am
Postby Oversoul »
In post 5485, ChannelDelibird wrote:Nope. I'm going to be around pretty constantly for the next several hours so I'll be here to vote if "pronto" isn't met.
Have been thinking about the Aronis wagon a bit. I still think there's absolutely zero town motivation shown and he should probably have replaced out long ago if this is all he's willing to bring to the table as town, but I think part of the reason why I'm still voting for him is because I'm annoyed that people keep saying that this vote came out of nowhere when I've been suspicious of Aronis for the majority of the game. That's when it feels like people are trying to discredit the origin of the wagon, like I just plucked it out of my backside.
Fuck, I convinced myself.
UNVOTE: Aronis VOTE: Bulbazak
UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY SINGER SAID SHE WOULD HAMMER ANYTHING AT L-1
dunno why but powerroles have a habit of talking about their roles, like "Scum Will Never suspect me if I'm the one to bring the role up." I think that's why UT took the opportunity to poke at fferylt being mod-confirmed here.
So does this mean that you received your own Role PM from the mod when you replaced into the game?
What the hell was it in 4921 that was town (there really isn't anything there)...
And why the fuck wasn't I already town?!?
1. You are a crafty scum player. I was very scared with how you were playing. Your scum game has been characterized as lurker-ish in the past. I was scared that was what was happening.
2. I felt that that way you used your team's reads and the way you talked about CDB's boon was town driven thought.
2.5 I am sorry about Bulbazak.
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Post #5869 (isolation #242) » Fri May 15, 2015 4:31 am
Postby Oversoul »
I think CDB and his team's analysis of Singer's reservations about UT vote are pretty spot on.
That is kind of shit reasoning. I completely forgot Alquin was even a thing and honestly thought it was one of the lurkers but #YOLO
that's more than 1/6th of the game in one that started with 20 players.
PLEASE please please please please please start at least skimming through what people have already said about people before you ask for their opinions on something that's already been gone over several times before.
Despite the strong town read, I'm willing to lynch her purely for this
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Post #5946 (isolation #244) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:08 am
Postby Oversoul »
The thing that I really dislike about Anxiety's role is the fact that his sign changes. That definitely seems like a scum power considering we have TWO bulletproofs (and a doctor).
The sign change seems more like a power role prevention ability rather than a death prevention ability.
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Post #5952 (isolation #246) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:24 am
Postby Oversoul »
Why would DV trace Espeonage if DV was town reading Espeonage for almost the entire game?
Before Minor Night 2, DV made a really big post explaining why he thought Espeonage was town. You don't use your trace like that if you think the person is town.
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Post #5955 (isolation #247) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:42 am
Postby Oversoul »
In post 5953, Titus wrote:If there wasn't a role that could detect Viktor, why wouldn't they say that Viktor IMMUNE to all traces. Instead, the role says that any trace on Victor will "return no result". Target a player. If they detected and you were not Traced, you will receive the name of the player they detected. Otherwise, you will receive no result. Again, no result. The word choice is key IMO.
I mean that is basically a modified Ninja. Given the fact that all traces will fail on Viktor, it would be easy to narrow down suspects to WHO is Viktor based on Trace results. I don't think we actually need a specific role to get that.
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Post #5956 (isolation #248) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:43 am
Postby Oversoul »
In post 5953, Titus wrote:I like the idea of eliminating players as Viktor. If 4ity was scum, why would he eliminate players as Victor? He could say something like that Minor Night 1, tracked TTH, got no result. Given we know that TTH was already fucked with by Vezok, claiming that makes more sense than clearing Singer of being Victor.
This makes no sense. Traces do not stop Detects from going through. Only other Traces stop Trace.
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Post #5967 (isolation #251) » Sat May 16, 2015 5:55 am
Postby Oversoul »
In post 5959, Titus wrote:@Oversoul, we can only narrow down who Victor is if we risked outing all PRs. Too risky. By having a Viktor cop, we can narrow down who Viktor is, and have people claim traces if they failed on people that 4ity has not checked.
The implication of which one of you people traced me was that TTH traced and did not detect. So I'm not sure on your second point.
Huh?
You don't need PRs to out themselves to narrow down who Viktor is. All it REALLY takes to find Viktor is to get a no result on a Trace on Viktor. Everyone has the Trace ability. That is not outting a PR.
What do you mean "implication of which one of you people traced me"? No one has said that they traced you. TTH has *never* traced. She has been detecting all game.
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Yes I realize that, I am just wondering why TTH said that specifically.
So I am solely responsible for these reads.
